Countdown to NBA Draft: Prospect Talk

[Worst_to_First]

Not good..



F*** off Magic.

Cool. Then we get Okafor. We can't lose

Chad Ford is right, Mudiay is second on the Lakers board.

[DowNY]

Not good..



F*** off Magic.

Magic is a Knicks fan. We good.

[FemaleDogPlease]

Okafor isn't falling to the 4th pick.

[djphan]

IDK why you're even trying to put Justise close to Wade, Harden, and Durant though when there have been so many wings who have had better, just as good, or almost as good freshman years than him.

Over the last 10 years we've had Russell, SJohnson, Wiggins, Jabari, AGordon, McLemore, Bennett, MKG, Beal, Barnes, Harkless, PJones, DkWilliams, Burks, Kawhi, Tobias, Wes Johnson, Aminu, PGeorge, Harden, Tyreke, Derozan, JaJohnson, Beasley, Mayo, EGordon, Rush, Durant, JGreen, Thad, Tyrus, Gay, RBrewer, and a few more, who put up better or comparable numbers. The defense is what sets Justise apart from some of them, but some of them were also very good defenders, some were much better offensively, and most didn't play with a Jahlil Okafor. Justise had a very good rookie year but nothing as nearly out of the ordinary as you're saying. 12.5 pts, 6.5 rebs, 2 asts with great D. All of the guys I listed had their good stretches too.

So with all the names you listed... compare their FRESHMAN numbers with Justise... alot of them had comparable numbers but they only developed them after their sophomore or junior and in some cases senior years... it starts becoming a lot more interesting after you filter for that... trust me...

It's hard to judge young guys playing overseas. Brandon Jennings was absolutely horrid and then put up a 50 pt game in the second week of his rookie year, which made this board EXPLODE since we passed on him for Hill. Oh lord I can remember Pharm now . Who knows how Winslow would have done in Mudiay's place, but I imagine Mudiay with Okafor would have been pretty good. This is what scouts get paid to assess, but to my eyes Mudiay is clearly a more skilled offensive player with nice defensive upside, and held his own as an 18 year old over there.

The only upside factor that i'm willing to admit is the whole dogging it overseas.. if he was just chilling and going about half speed then yes all bets are off... i haven't gotten that impression so i take what i see... videos and numbers at face value.. and i see a guy who looks ok but not amazing....

With all that said I actually think we have Winslow higher than Mudiay, because as the Knicks we always have to get cute in the draft and never get who the fans want. There's too much talk about the triangle, Mudiay "not fitting it", Winslow chilling with Melo, and all this junk. I think Winslow can be a great player, but he has much longer to go offensively than Mudiay. Most favor offense for guards/wings this high in the draft unless we're talking about a completely putrid defensive player or a dominant defensive 7 footer, which Winslow is not. If Mudiay didn't have defensive potential himself I'd lean towards Winslow, but that's not the case and again they're almost the same size.

There's no more ways I can say that I just think Mudiay is a better overall prospect. You disagree. That's cool.

i'm just discussing things so hopefully we all have a better understanding of this... we're fans.. we are allowed to talk and disagree..

one other thing that i don't think ppl are getting is the positional adjustment ... if we're gonna talk about mudiay being more skilled then yes he needs to be a better passer and dribbler because he's a pg.. he also has a lot tougher comp at the pg position on a nightly basis than winslow does at SG... and the pg's come in all shapes and sizes... and those guys are all going to be light years ahead of stephon marbury...

[god4gives]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ulSWLjUeOQ[/youtube]

C--- Koufos / Ajinca / Bachynski
PF---- Greg Monroe / Kaminsky / JSmith
SF---- Melo / Thomas / Early
SG---- Wes Matthews / Hardaway / Thanasis
PG---- Galloway / Calderon / Jerian Grant

Koufos as the starting center over Ajinca.
You want Kaminsky.
You want Monroe.
You want jason Smith back.


Im dead lol.

Ajinca is foul prone so yes

I don't mind the Knicks getting D'Angelo, Justise, or Mudiay but i would prefer that they trade down. Even if Okafor somehow slips to the 4th pick, trading down would be wise. I think Kaminsky would be a good idea if it includes Jerian Grant because our 4th pick is worth two prospects and getting a second will fill in the void for next year's draft. Kaminsky & Jerian is skilled upperclassmen that can fit well into the system and are ready to contribute now. They have just as much upside as these one&dones and won't take time to develop like them. IMO, I think Kaminsky is a hybrid of Nowitzki, Paul Gasol, Mehmet Okur, Spencer Hawes, Olynyk, Channing Frye, and whatever stretch 4 you can think of. He moves better and has a better handle than them. He has all the tools as a triangle player because he can post up, shoot, and pass.

I haven't seen many stretch 4's lead a break like a point guard and throw alleys like this


I think Jerian is just as good if not better than D'Angelo & Mudiay. Athletically, he isn't that different from Mudiay



Even DX knows he's a very good passer with great court vision. Besides age there isn't that much difference between him and mudiay

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkEllhy39Yc[/youtube]

Besides MGasol, LaMarcus, and Paul Millsap: Greg is the only one that makes sense, IMO. He financially leaves room for the Knicks to build and have depth which the other 3 don't. He can post, shoot, pass, and he's young. Giving him the max won't look so bad when the cap increases. He's not a great rim protector which is why i would rather have him playing his natural position at power forward and have an under appreciated Koufos protecting the paint. Koufos is cheap and still young. Before Cleveland got Mosgov they were eyeing him.

He's also athletic, rugged, and very mobile. Just look at this



Koufos is looking for a starting role and i think he can easily average a double double and give you about 2 blocks per game.

http://greenstreet.weei.com/sports/boston/basketball/celtics/2015/05/19/the-kosta-koufos-question-will-celtics-pursue-second-tier-free-agents/

the Celtics are in desperate need of a rim protector, and Koufos was as good as any backup center in that regard. According to NBA.com/stats, the 7-foot, 265-pound former first-round pick held opponents to 46.9 percent shooting at the rim, putting him in good company with Defensive Player of the Year candidates Tim Duncan and Draymond Green at the same percentage.

Offensively, Koufos has proven a capable scorer around the basket, converting 56.2 percent of his shots inside of 8 feet.

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/3848/steins-scoop-next-for-grizzlies-gasol

Rim protection is his forte, but he also coped very well against Aldridge in the Portland series, and has not only proven very durable over the year but has quietly started nearly 150 games in his career. He's more seasoned than you think.

I might have messed up having Smith on my list. I think he's okay as a 3rd option. If Bargnani is willing to come back for the vet minimum then i'll take him.

Other than that my list makes sense and is good enough to compete against the Cavaliers in a weak @$$ east

[92Knicksfan93]

I re-watched the National Championship game, I don't understand some of the hate for Frank Kaminsky. I know the guy's not sexy but here's the type of talent you're getting: Pau Gasol blessed with Joakim Noah's effu mentality and Kevin Love's ability to hit 3s. He spaces the floor, passes well, underrated off the dribble, attacks the closeout, and can post up. If this guy was 18/19 he'd be european and we'd have to wait a few years for him to develop on some European team. Instead he''s 22/23 played AQ D1 Ball, and played really well, and has the talent to succeed in the NBA.

Would I suggest taking with the 4th overall pick over a guy like Mudiay/Winslow/Russell? No. Would I target him as a trade down pick? Hell, yes.

[Jstarks3]

kaminsky is a combination of pau, joakim, and klove. ive officially heard it all now.

I swear we need to screen some of these ballboys before they can start posting.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I re-watched the National Championship game, I don't understand some of the hate for Frank Kaminsky. I know the guy's not sexy but here's the type of talent you're getting: Pau Gasol blessed with Joakim Noah's effu mentality and Kevin Love's ability to hit 3s. He spaces the floor, passes well, underrated off the dribble, attacks the closeout, and can post up. If this guy was 18/19 he'd be european and we'd have to wait a few years for him to develop on some European team. Instead he''s 22/23 played AQ D1 Ball, and played really well, and has the talent to succeed in the NBA.

Would I suggest taking with the 4th overall pick over a guy like Mudiay/Winslow/Russell? No. Would I target him as a trade down pick? Hell, yes.

kaminsky is being criminally slept on. i agree you don't take him at 4, though.

[j4remi]

You know the draft is near. Winslow has elevated to Harden and Wade status with the weakest offensive game of anyone in the top five picks discussions and Kaminsky has reached Love + Pau with Noah's attitude status with a snowball's chance in hell of being a top five pick. Workouts are approaching, so this is only gonna get even crazier.

[sims]

Not good..



F*** off Magic.

Cool. Then we get Okafor. We can't lose

Chad Ford is right, Mudiay is second on the Lakers board.

wouldn't be so quick to read into this. let's forget that magic has ties to the knicks and was actually supposed to be our GM at one point - unfortunately he passed and set james dolan up with isiah. i don't see magic as being crazy enough to suggest that the lakers pass on a franchise-level big for a guard. for all we know he could have been priming manny on what it takes to make it under the bright lights..

[dgwdum]

Lol @ comparing kaminsky to pau. Go back and watch prime pau and you will see a guy who is taller,longer and much more athletic. Plus his skills are off the charts for a 7 footer, he could handle,pass and shoot. And wasn't bad at defense.

If kaminsky is a poor man's version of that he'd be a great pick but not top 4.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wDl_Qwny5H0

[Jeff Van Gully]

Cool. Then we get Okafor. We can't lose

Chad Ford is right, Mudiay is second on the Lakers board.

wouldn't be so quick to read into this. let's forget that magic has ties to the knicks and was actually supposed to be our GM at one point - unfortunately he passed and set james dolan up with isiah. i don't see magic as being crazy enough to suggest that the lakers pass on a franchise-level big for a guard. for all we know he could have been priming manny on what it takes to make it under the bright lights..

i took a picture with jay-z back in 1998, but never got signed to roc-a-fella. i still find it strange to this day.

[BeagleBoss]

Kaminsky is more like Ryan Anderson/Keith Van Horn/Detlef

[delvec19]

Drafting anyone outside the top 4 (towns, ok, russ, mud) without trading down makes me feel nauseous after what we had to endure this season.

[Workforce250]

Kaminsky is more like Ryan Anderson/Keith Van Horn/Detlef

Any Euro or African Americans he reminds you of?

[j4remi]

Kaminsky is more like Ryan Anderson/Keith Van Horn/Detlef

Any Euro or African Americans he reminds you of?

Kinda reminds me of Diaw with more size and less agility tbh...I'm not high on him but he's gonna be a contributor. I just don't see enough upside to take him where we pick personally.

[BeagleBoss]

Kaminsky is more like Ryan Anderson/Keith Van Horn/Detlef

Any Euro or African Americans he reminds you of?

Tim Thomas?

[92Knicksfan93]

Lol @ comparing kaminsky to pau. Go back and watch prime pau and you will see a guy who is taller,longer and much more athletic. Plus his skills are off the charts for a 7 footer, he could handle,pass and shoot. And wasn't bad at defense.

If kaminsky is a poor man's version of that he'd be a great pick but not top 4.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wDl_Qwny5H0

I didn't say take him in the top4. Some of you have issues with reading comprehension. You respond to what you thought you read, or what you incompletely read.

[92Knicksfan93]

Kaminsky is more like Ryan Anderson/Keith Van Horn/Detlef

Any Euro or African Americans he reminds you of?

Tim Thomas?

Now I know not take you seriously ever if you're going to call Kaminsky Tim Thomas. You're either speaking out of your a$$ or you're just not very good at assessing players talent.

[BeagleBoss]

Any Euro or African Americans he reminds you of?

Tim Thomas?

Now I know not take you seriously ever if you're going to call Kaminsky Tim Thomas. You're either speaking out of your a$$ or you're just not very good at assessing players talent.

Well damn

Who do you compare him to?