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BeagleBoss wrote:Workforce250 wrote:BeagleBoss wrote:Kaminsky is more like Ryan Anderson/Keith Van Horn/Detlef
Any Euro or African Americans he reminds you of?
Tim Thomas?
j4remi wrote:You know the draft is near. Winslow has elevated to Harden and Wade status with the weakest offensive game of anyone in the top five picks discussions and Kaminsky has reached Love + Pau with Noah's attitude status with a snowball's chance in hell of being a top five pick. Workouts are approaching, so this is only gonna get even crazier.
When will they ever learn.
BeagleBoss wrote:92Knicksfan93 wrote:BeagleBoss wrote:
Tim Thomas?
Now I know not take you seriously ever if you're going to call Kaminsky Tim Thomas. You're either speaking out of your a$$ or you're just not very good at assessing players talent.
Well damn
Who do you compare him to?
L92Knicksfan93 wrote:BeagleBoss wrote:92Knicksfan93 wrote:
Now I know not take you seriously ever if you're going to call Kaminsky Tim Thomas. You're either speaking out of your a$$ or you're just not very good at assessing players talent.
Well damn
Who do you compare him to?
There's several black players I can honestly compare Frank Kaminsky to based on what I've seen from him.
1) On offense:
a) Borris Diaw with his ability to initiate offense and create off the dribble.
b) Robert Horry/Sam Perkins they were bigmen who could knock down 3s.
c) Horrace Grant for his ability to post up, shoot jumpers, and pass from the post.
2) On Defense:
a) Paul Milsap-if people are off put by the Joakim Noah intensity comps, would Milsap work? I mean people see Kaminsky as a white 3point shooting big, and must assume he's soft, then you watch him willingly get physical. Look how he more than held his own vs both Towns and Okafor (especially Okafor) in the final 4 and championship game.
b) Roy Hibbert-the way he's able to establish position and effect plays in the paint without getting into foul trouble is one of the first things I noticed. Like Hibbert, he uses his feet well. The way Kaminsky rendered Okafor useless was reminiscent of Roy Hibbert shutting down Tyson Chandler back in the 2013 playoffs.
swisscheeseD wrote:I'd hate to trade down and hate Phil even more if he didn't take one of the Top 4...but all i know is if Phil takes Willie Caulie-Stein over Myles Turner, I'm going to lose my ****.
92Knicksfan93 wrote:I re-watched the National Championship game, I don't understand some of the hate for Frank Kaminsky. I know the guy's not sexy but here's the type of talent you're getting: Pau Gasol blessed with Joakim Noah's effu mentality and Kevin Love's ability to hit 3s. He spaces the floor, passes well, underrated off the dribble, attacks the closeout, and can post up. If this guy was 18/19 he'd be european and we'd have to wait a few years for him to develop on some European team. Instead he''s 22/23 played AQ D1 Ball, and played really well, and has the talent to succeed in the NBA.
Would I suggest taking with the 4th overall pick over a guy like Mudiay/Winslow/Russell? No. Would I target him as a trade down pick? Hell, yes.
Jstarks3 wrote:kaminsky is a combination of pau, joakim, and klove. ive officially heard it all now.
I swear we need to screen some of these ballboys before they can start posting.
NYKnicksTAPE wrote:92Knicksfan93 wrote:I re-watched the National Championship game, I don't understand some of the hate for Frank Kaminsky. I know the guy's not sexy but here's the type of talent you're getting: Pau Gasol blessed with Joakim Noah's effu mentality and Kevin Love's ability to hit 3s. He spaces the floor, passes well, underrated off the dribble, attacks the closeout, and can post up. If this guy was 18/19 he'd be european and we'd have to wait a few years for him to develop on some European team. Instead he''s 22/23 played AQ D1 Ball, and played really well, and has the talent to succeed in the NBA.
Would I suggest taking with the 4th overall pick over a guy like Mudiay/Winslow/Russell? No. Would I target him as a trade down pick? Hell, yes.
Wtf? Is he going to be LMA from midrange too?
NYKnicksTAPE wrote:Jstarks3 wrote:kaminsky is a combination of pau, joakim, and klove. ive officially heard it all now.
I swear we need to screen some of these ballboys before they can start posting.
Next he's going to be Kareem with the sky hook and be able to shoot it like Curry.
92Knicksfan93 wrote:NYKnicksTAPE wrote:Jstarks3 wrote:kaminsky is a combination of pau, joakim, and klove. ive officially heard it all now.
I swear we need to screen some of these ballboys before they can start posting.
Next he's going to be Kareem with the sky hook and be able to shoot it like Curry.
If you disagree with my assessment of Kaminsky please tell me where I'm off or who you think is a better comp instead of responding with hyperbole.
Blue Ninja wrote:What does Kaminsky do better than Ryan Anderson as a prospect?
delvec19 wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-knicks ... the-knicks
With the NBA Draft less than a month away, we're taking a look at how potential lottery picks fit with the New York Knicks. Point guard Emmanuel Mudiay is one player who may be on the board for New York, which has the fourth pick.
Below is a look at how Mudiay would fit with the Knicks:
How will Mudiay fit in the triangle?
Mudiay showed in China that he thrives in the pick-and-roll, a play that isn’t prevalent in the triangle offense.
Derek Fisher’s Knicks ran the pick-and-roll on 11 percent of their plays last season, which ranked 28th in the league. But they did increase the frequency of pick and roll plays throughout the year. Maybe bringing Mudiay in forces them to run more pick-and-roll this season?
“You know that the organization is married to the triangle, but we also know that when the clock went low in Chicago and Los Angeles they gave the ball to Michael (Jordan) and Kobe (Bryant) and got out of the way. So if there are ways to use Mudiay in isolation and pick-and-roll, it would be to his benefit because it’s one of his strengths,” ESPN NBA Draft Insider Fran Fraschilla says. “It would have to be some adjustment on the part of the coaching staff to put him in more pick-and-roll.”
At 6-foot-5 with a 6-foot-8.5 wingspan, Mudiay has the physical attributes that Phil Jackson covets in his guards (think 6-foot-6 guard Ron Harper). This allows him to see over the defense for entry passes and passes to cutters – two cornerstones of the triangle. Mudiay also rebounds well for his position (six rebounds per game in 10 CBA regular season games), which would help a Knicks club that ranked 28th in the league in defensive rebounding rate and 29th in offensive rebounding.
“He’s a great board man for his size,” says Ryan Blake, the senior scouting consultant for the NBA.
Mudiay’s size, speed and quickness also lead most to believe that he will be able to get to the rim frequently in the NBA. This could benefit a Knicks team that finished in the bottom third in drives and points off of drives last season.
“He also causes fouls and gets to the free throw line,” notes Wally Szczerbiak, a Knicks analyst on MSG and a CBS Sports Network college basketball analyst.
Again, this quality may help a Knicks team that finished 27th in free throw rate. Though it should be noted that Mudiay shot just 50 percent from the free throw line in China and struggled with his perimeter shooting (30 percent from beyond the arc).
So the Knicks coaching staff would have to help Mudiay with his shot, since perimeter shooting from the guards is a key component of the offense.
How can he complement Carmelo?
Fraschilla notes that Mudiay’s ability to penetrate the defense should help Carmelo Anthony – and any other Knick on the floor with him.
“The whole idea of a point guard (like Mudiay) who can get into the paint is about creating easy opportunities for his teammates,” Fraschilla says.
If the Knicks can find a player who can create easy looks for Anthony, it’s logical to think that this could give Anthony a better chance at remaining healthy and productive over the remaining four years of his contract. Though, admittedly, this assumption is based on many factors that are difficult to predict, such as if opposing teams will even leave Anthony alone to help on a driving Mudiay.
What will he bring on defense?
New York languished in the bottom third in the league in opponent field goal percentage in the paint for much of the season and was in the bottom five in opponent 3-point field goal percentage.
If Mudiay develops into the defender that many scouts project him to be, he should help the Knicks in both areas. Observers believe he'll have the strength to get over screens in pick-and-roll situations and the quickness to stay in front of most guards.
“He played with grown men in China. There’s no reason he should not become a very good defender because he’s got positional size, speed, quickness and strength,” Fraschilla said. “It’s just now a matter of ‘want to’ from him. My dealing with him is he’s a high-character kid.”
swisscheeseD wrote:I'd hate to trade down and hate Phil even more if he didn't take one of the Top 4...but all i know is if Phil takes Willie Caulie-Stein over Myles Turner, I'm going to lose my ****.
NYKnicksTAPE wrote:92Knicksfan93 wrote:NYKnicksTAPE wrote:Next he's going to be Kareem with the sky hook and be able to shoot it like Curry.
If you disagree with my assessment of Kaminsky please tell me where I'm off or who you think is a better comp instead of responding with hyperbole.
Why does he have a Joakim Noah attitude? I haven't seen any of that. Why is he Pau Gasol? He doesn't have the strength, coordination, post moves, or natural ability. Why is he Kevin Love from 3? Kevin Love is one of the best shooting big men in the NBA. You haven't even seen Kaminsky take shots from the NBA 3 point line in a game. If he ever averages over 15 points and 7 rebounds in the NBA, I'd be surprised.
Newyorknick94 wrote:delvec19 wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-knicks ... the-knicks
With the NBA Draft less than a month away, we're taking a look at how potential lottery picks fit with the New York Knicks. Point guard Emmanuel Mudiay is one player who may be on the board for New York, which has the fourth pick.
Below is a look at how Mudiay would fit with the Knicks:
How will Mudiay fit in the triangle?
Mudiay showed in China that he thrives in the pick-and-roll, a play that isn’t prevalent in the triangle offense.
Derek Fisher’s Knicks ran the pick-and-roll on 11 percent of their plays last season, which ranked 28th in the league. But they did increase the frequency of pick and roll plays throughout the year. Maybe bringing Mudiay in forces them to run more pick-and-roll this season?
“You know that the organization is married to the triangle, but we also know that when the clock went low in Chicago and Los Angeles they gave the ball to Michael (Jordan) and Kobe (Bryant) and got out of the way. So if there are ways to use Mudiay in isolation and pick-and-roll, it would be to his benefit because it’s one of his strengths,” ESPN NBA Draft Insider Fran Fraschilla says. “It would have to be some adjustment on the part of the coaching staff to put him in more pick-and-roll.”
At 6-foot-5 with a 6-foot-8.5 wingspan, Mudiay has the physical attributes that Phil Jackson covets in his guards (think 6-foot-6 guard Ron Harper). This allows him to see over the defense for entry passes and passes to cutters – two cornerstones of the triangle. Mudiay also rebounds well for his position (six rebounds per game in 10 CBA regular season games), which would help a Knicks club that ranked 28th in the league in defensive rebounding rate and 29th in offensive rebounding.
“He’s a great board man for his size,” says Ryan Blake, the senior scouting consultant for the NBA.
Mudiay’s size, speed and quickness also lead most to believe that he will be able to get to the rim frequently in the NBA. This could benefit a Knicks team that finished in the bottom third in drives and points off of drives last season.
“He also causes fouls and gets to the free throw line,” notes Wally Szczerbiak, a Knicks analyst on MSG and a CBS Sports Network college basketball analyst.
Again, this quality may help a Knicks team that finished 27th in free throw rate. Though it should be noted that Mudiay shot just 50 percent from the free throw line in China and struggled with his perimeter shooting (30 percent from beyond the arc).
So the Knicks coaching staff would have to help Mudiay with his shot, since perimeter shooting from the guards is a key component of the offense.
How can he complement Carmelo?
Fraschilla notes that Mudiay’s ability to penetrate the defense should help Carmelo Anthony – and any other Knick on the floor with him.
“The whole idea of a point guard (like Mudiay) who can get into the paint is about creating easy opportunities for his teammates,” Fraschilla says.
If the Knicks can find a player who can create easy looks for Anthony, it’s logical to think that this could give Anthony a better chance at remaining healthy and productive over the remaining four years of his contract. Though, admittedly, this assumption is based on many factors that are difficult to predict, such as if opposing teams will even leave Anthony alone to help on a driving Mudiay.
What will he bring on defense?
New York languished in the bottom third in the league in opponent field goal percentage in the paint for much of the season and was in the bottom five in opponent 3-point field goal percentage.
If Mudiay develops into the defender that many scouts project him to be, he should help the Knicks in both areas. Observers believe he'll have the strength to get over screens in pick-and-roll situations and the quickness to stay in front of most guards.
“He played with grown men in China. There’s no reason he should not become a very good defender because he’s got positional size, speed, quickness and strength,” Fraschilla said. “It’s just now a matter of ‘want to’ from him. My dealing with him is he’s a high-character kid.”
Honestly I'd be happy with either him or Russell I think they can both be good. Maybe have a little cp3 deron Williams rivalry except hopefully they don't rapidly decline like dwill.