Countdown to NBA Draft: Prospect Talk

[Blue Ninja]

What does Kaminsky do better than Ryan Anderson as a prospect?

Kaminsky is taller, more mobile, has better ball skills and is a better passer. Basically Kaminsky is a better all around player.

Taller, yes. More mobile, better passing and better ball skills (offensively) I would say they are about equal or marginal difference. Ryan is a better rebounder, Kaminsky is a better shotblocker. They aren't far apart in terms of impacts they will make on a game. Good players, but definitely not high end guys.

[TrueWarrior]

What does Kaminsky do better than Ryan Anderson as a prospect?

Kaminsky is taller, more mobile, has better ball skills and is a better passer. Basically Kaminsky is a better all around player.

Taller, yes. More mobile, better passing and better ball skills (offensively) I would say they are about equal or marginal difference. Ryan is a better rebounder, Kaminsky is a better shotblocker. They aren't far apart in terms of impacts they will make on a game. Good players, but definitely not high end guys.

Anderson also averaged 21/10 and shot 41% from three his sophomore year. 16/8 as a freshie.

Frank's stats are not special. Look through the 1st round the past 20 years and pick out the great white upperclassmen hopes sprinkled throughout. Their numbers were great too. Frank will be a nice role player but the hype some people are throwing on him is cray. Last year it was McDermott. Year before that Olynyk. People never seem to learn.

[Besart19]

Chris (Philadelphia):

Latest news surrounding the Lakers and what they will do with the #2 pick? Chad Ford: Same situation. They're digging. If Towns is there at 2. That's a lock. If it's Okafor, I think it's up in the air between Okafor, Russell & Mudiay. All 3 in the mix. But not strong feeling right now which guy it would be. I also hear they are digging on Porzingis, though I doubt they have the guts to take him that high.

[King of Canada]

the entire draft landscape will probably change or at least clarify once the real workouts start happening.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I'd hate to trade down and hate Phil even more if he didn't take one of the Top 4...but all i know is if Phil takes Willie Caulie-Stein over Myles Turner, I'm going to lose my ****.

oh, i'd take WCS over turner any day.

[Jeff Van Gully]

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-knicks ... the-knicks

With the NBA Draft less than a month away, we're taking a look at how potential lottery picks fit with the New York Knicks. Point guard Emmanuel Mudiay is one player who may be on the board for New York, which has the fourth pick.

Below is a look at how Mudiay would fit with the Knicks:

How will Mudiay fit in the triangle?

Mudiay showed in China that he thrives in the pick-and-roll, a play that isn’t prevalent in the triangle offense.

Derek Fisher’s Knicks ran the pick-and-roll on 11 percent of their plays last season, which ranked 28th in the league. But they did increase the frequency of pick and roll plays throughout the year. Maybe bringing Mudiay in forces them to run more pick-and-roll this season?

“You know that the organization is married to the triangle, but we also know that when the clock went low in Chicago and Los Angeles they gave the ball to Michael (Jordan) and Kobe (Bryant) and got out of the way. So if there are ways to use Mudiay in isolation and pick-and-roll, it would be to his benefit because it’s one of his strengths,” ESPN NBA Draft Insider Fran Fraschilla says. “It would have to be some adjustment on the part of the coaching staff to put him in more pick-and-roll.”

At 6-foot-5 with a 6-foot-8.5 wingspan, Mudiay has the physical attributes that Phil Jackson covets in his guards (think 6-foot-6 guard Ron Harper). This allows him to see over the defense for entry passes and passes to cutters – two cornerstones of the triangle. Mudiay also rebounds well for his position (six rebounds per game in 10 CBA regular season games), which would help a Knicks club that ranked 28th in the league in defensive rebounding rate and 29th in offensive rebounding.

“He’s a great board man for his size,” says Ryan Blake, the senior scouting consultant for the NBA.

Mudiay’s size, speed and quickness also lead most to believe that he will be able to get to the rim frequently in the NBA. This could benefit a Knicks team that finished in the bottom third in drives and points off of drives last season.

“He also causes fouls and gets to the free throw line,” notes Wally Szczerbiak, a Knicks analyst on MSG and a CBS Sports Network college basketball analyst.

Again, this quality may help a Knicks team that finished 27th in free throw rate. Though it should be noted that Mudiay shot just 50 percent from the free throw line in China and struggled with his perimeter shooting (30 percent from beyond the arc).

So the Knicks coaching staff would have to help Mudiay with his shot, since perimeter shooting from the guards is a key component of the offense.

How can he complement Carmelo?

Fraschilla notes that Mudiay’s ability to penetrate the defense should help Carmelo Anthony – and any other Knick on the floor with him.

“The whole idea of a point guard (like Mudiay) who can get into the paint is about creating easy opportunities for his teammates,” Fraschilla says.

If the Knicks can find a player who can create easy looks for Anthony, it’s logical to think that this could give Anthony a better chance at remaining healthy and productive over the remaining four years of his contract. Though, admittedly, this assumption is based on many factors that are difficult to predict, such as if opposing teams will even leave Anthony alone to help on a driving Mudiay.

What will he bring on defense?

New York languished in the bottom third in the league in opponent field goal percentage in the paint for much of the season and was in the bottom five in opponent 3-point field goal percentage.

If Mudiay develops into the defender that many scouts project him to be, he should help the Knicks in both areas. Observers believe he'll have the strength to get over screens in pick-and-roll situations and the quickness to stay in front of most guards.

“He played with grown men in China. There’s no reason he should not become a very good defender because he’s got positional size, speed, quickness and strength,” Fraschilla said. “It’s just now a matter of ‘want to’ from him. My dealing with him is he’s a high-character kid.”

Honestly I'd be happy with either him or Russell I think they can both be good. Maybe have a little cp3 deron Williams rivalry except hopefully they don't rapidly decline like dwill.

I will not complain if Mudiay is the pick. God this draft can't come soon enough.

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[Workforce250]

Kaminsky is taller, more mobile, has better ball skills and is a better passer. Basically Kaminsky is a better all around player.

Taller, yes. More mobile, better passing and better ball skills (offensively) I would say they are about equal or marginal difference. Ryan is a better rebounder, Kaminsky is a better shotblocker. They aren't far apart in terms of impacts they will make on a game. Good players, but definitely not high end guys.

Anderson also averaged 21/10 and shot 41% from three his sophomore year. 16/8 as a freshie.

Frank's stats are not special. Look through the 1st round the past 20 years and pick out the great white upperclassmen hopes sprinkled throughout. Their numbers were great too. Frank will be a nice role player but the hype some people are throwing on him is cray. Last year it was McDermott. Year before that Olynyk. People never seem to learn.

What you're saying here is that tall white guys are not great players. Is that correct?


What's crazy is, when did great fundamentals suddenly become less attractive than just big hands. Or excellent fundamentals: excellent free throw shooting, great 3point shooting, good rebounding, solid defense and high basketball understanding, ,, not be worth anything?

McDermott was a great shooter, but that's it and as a shooting guard has not translated well. But a 7ft power forward with the above stated skill set?

[Marcus]

Wiretap says you guys are considering WCS at #4......how yall feel about that?

[defjux21]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... in-At-No-4

Chad Fraud says we're considering WCS at #4. Can we all agree that the smokescreens have been set into motion now?

[Workforce250]

I'd hate to trade down and hate Phil even more if he didn't take one of the Top 4...but all i know is if Phil takes Willie Caulie-Stein over Myles Turner, I'm going to lose my ****.

oh, i'd take WCS over turner any day.

100% agree. WCS can be a future DPOY, which is worthy of a #4 pick without a doubt.

[Workforce250]

Wiretap says you guys are considering WCS at #4......how yall feel about that?

Personally and after tossing this around my brain, WCS is an impact player from day 1. He can guard
all 5 positions!!!!!!
No DGreen, no Ariza, no Thompson and these teams are not where they are.

WCS is more impactful than Okafor right out the gate. No doubt.

[TrueWarrior]

Taller, yes. More mobile, better passing and better ball skills (offensively) I would say they are about equal or marginal difference. Ryan is a better rebounder, Kaminsky is a better shotblocker. They aren't far apart in terms of impacts they will make on a game. Good players, but definitely not high end guys.

Anderson also averaged 21/10 and shot 41% from three his sophomore year. 16/8 as a freshie.

Frank's stats are not special. Look through the 1st round the past 20 years and pick out the great white upperclassmen hopes sprinkled throughout. Their numbers were great too. Frank will be a nice role player but the hype some people are throwing on him is cray. Last year it was McDermott. Year before that Olynyk. People never seem to learn.

What you're saying here is that tall white guys are not great players. Is that correct?


What's crazy is, when did great fundamentals suddenly become less attractive than just big hands. Or excellent fundamentals: excellent free throw shooting, great 3point shooting, good rebounding, solid defense and high basketball understanding, ,, not be worth anything?

McDermott was a great shooter, but that's it and as a shooting guard has not translated well. But a 7ft power forward with the above stated skill set?

See nobody said Frank isn't worth anything. I just think it's certifiable to believe he will be close to Dirk or Pau.

Ryan Anderson had all those skills you just listed, as did many others. What's holding Frank back is his mediocre athleticism/strength/length. That's usually what holds these white upperclassmen back. People always buy into their skills/character, but that only takes you so far in a league filled with top flight athletes. If Frank ends up as good as Ryan Anderson, a 16/7 player, that's good for him.

[Knicksfan1992]

Wiretap says you guys are considering WCS at #4......how yall feel about that?

I don't hate WCS as a prospect but, I'm not a fan of losing 65 games for him... He's not a superstar, at least in my view, and it would piss me off beyond no end if we pick him at 4, especially, since we can most likely trade down to pick him and get an extra asset in the process if he is who we really want.

[21 Hussle]

If we are seriously considering drafting WCS then I will seriously consider offing myself.

[EMG518]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... in-At-No-4

Chad Fraud says we're considering WCS at #4. Can we all agree that the smokescreens have been set into motion now?

Smokescreens for who? We are picking 4th, nobody infront of us is taking Cauley-Stein. Granted I have the Magic taking Cauley-Stein at 5 but I dont see anyone willing to move up for Cauley-Stein and pay more than what we can get for one the top 4 ranked players. This is not a smokescreen. This is Phil thinking about fit for next year.

[Workforce250]

Anderson also averaged 21/10 and shot 41% from three his sophomore year. 16/8 as a freshie.

Frank's stats are not special. Look through the 1st round the past 20 years and pick out the great white upperclassmen hopes sprinkled throughout. Their numbers were great too. Frank will be a nice role player but the hype some people are throwing on him is cray. Last year it was McDermott. Year before that Olynyk. People never seem to learn.

What you're saying here is that tall white guys are not great players. Is that correct?


What's crazy is, when did great fundamentals suddenly become less attractive than just big hands. Or excellent fundamentals: excellent free throw shooting, great 3point shooting, good rebounding, solid defense and high basketball understanding, ,, not be worth anything?

McDermott was a great shooter, but that's it and as a shooting guard has not translated well. But a 7ft power forward with the above stated skill set?

See nobody said Frank isn't worth anything. I just think it's certifiable to believe he will be close to Dirk or Pau.

Ryan Anderson had all those skills you just listed, as did many others. What's holding Frank back is his mediocre athleticism/strength/length. That's usually what holds these white upperclassmen back. People always buy into their skills/character, but that only takes you so far in a league filled with top flight athletes. If Frank ends up as good as Ryan Anderson, a 16/7 player, that's good for him.

What holds Frsnk back is his athleticism/strength/length? Wtf.
That argument is silly.

[nyknicks8016]

I think the only way the Knicks take Stein is if they trade down and gain another asset, otherwise they stick to the top 4...It wil be interesting to see who the Knicks workout first...

[Workforce250]

Wiretap says you guys are considering WCS at #4......how yall feel about that?

I don't hate WCS as a prospect but, I'm not a fan of losing 65 games for him... He's not a superstar, at least in my view, and it would piss me off beyond no end if we pick him at 4, especially, since we can most likely trade down to pick him and get an extra asset in the process if he is who we really want.

Would a future contender for DPOY not be worthy of a #4 pick? That's my question.

[Marcus]

Wiretap says you guys are considering WCS at #4......how yall feel about that?

I don't hate WCS as a prospect but, I'm not a fan of losing 65 games for him... He's not a superstar, at least in my view, and it would piss me off beyond no end if we pick him at 4, especially, since we can most likely trade down to pick him and get an extra asset in the process if he is who we really want.

Would a future contender for DPOY not be worthy of a #4 pick? That's my question.

so say Mudiay, Russell, Winslow are all available and you guys draft WCS that's ok with you?

[Greenie]

I like Willie.