Carmelo to OKC getting finalized. Updates PG 36&7

SARGO127 · Post #1961 » by **SARGO127** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:21 pm

Oscirus wrote:
god shammgod wrote:nobody cared enough to post this

Read on Twitter

The Knicks are getting whiter and whiter

The Knicks could be pink for all I care. Just win games soon.

Poetry-In-Motion · Post #1962 » by **Poetry-In-Motion** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:21 pm

Oscirus wrote:
shtolky wrote:
will34 wrote:Knicks front office writes blogs preaching defense and hard work and then 2 days later trade for Kanter. The incompetence is astounding. Perry and Mills are jokes.

A team can preach defense and hard work and not have every single member of the team be a good defender. I guess we should have traded for Ryan Anderson and his 60m dollar contract.

Or we didn't have to trade him at all till either we got a better haul or he opted out.

Bingo! Just because the offers are bad due to the no trade clause doesn't mean you have to accept it. If one is offered to take a punch in the gut, a knee to the face, or simply not participate... they can choose to not participate.

The one good thing though is that losing Melo definitely means a worse record which increases the value of your 2018 1st Round pick.

Basketball1981 · Post #1963 » by **Basketball1981** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:22 pm

I have been critical of the Knicks front office ever since the Hardaway signing but I have to give credit to Scott Perry today. This deal is really solid, given the circumstances. I would grade this with a B.

Kanter is a solid player and may net us a mid first round pick at the deadline or on draft day. The Bulls pick will be 30-35 which is very solid and McDermott is an ok throw in. Cap Space preserved. I do think that this is very solid value for Melo at this point. Well done.

Pharmcat · Post #1964 » by **Pharmcat** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:23 pm

nytonm wrote:Moving on from Melo was paramount and nearly impossible without taking on long term money and we were able to do that. Couldn't be happier. Let's give our young guys the ball, try to a establish a culture and hopefully get another lottery pick next summer.

so establish a culture of losing? those statements are in conflict, cant say we are trying to build a new culture and then also hope we tank, because that culture then is one of a losers mentality

Oscirus · Post #1965 » by **Oscirus** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:23 pm

LOL
The Knicks win and lose this trade: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/melo-trade-winners-and-losers-thunder-carmelo-make-out-well-what-about-knicks/

Pharmcat · Post #1966 » by **Pharmcat** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:24 pm

Dave DaButcher wrote:Puzzling that some folks here have issues with this trade. Melo is a declining 33 year old high usage scorer who doesn't play D and is on an enormous contract for two more years. In light of what George and Butler commanded this summer, it was clear Melo's value was limited.

This team needs to rebuild. So virtually any trade that did not weigh us down with bad long-term contracts would be a net positive, especially one that arguably makes us less competitive in the short term and thus enhances the potential for a shot at Porter or Doncic.

I, for one, am pleased the drama is over with, at worst, no harm done,

if the team needs to rebuild, why is it handing out horrible cap crunching 4 yr deal to one dimensional role players like THJR?

SpikJagger · Post #1967 » by **SpikJagger** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:27 pm

Is there anyway to un-and1 a post. I keep trying to quote posts but end up misclicking and and-1'ing the most idiotic posts ever.

feels bad.

Basketball1981 · Post #1968 » by **Basketball1981** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:27 pm

Pharmcat wrote:
Dave DaButcher wrote:Puzzling that some folks here have issues with this trade. Melo is a declining 33 year old high usage scorer who doesn't play D and is on an enormous contract for two more years. In light of what George and Butler commanded this summer, it was clear Melo's value was limited.

This team needs to rebuild. So virtually any trade that did not weigh us down with bad long-term contracts would be a net positive, especially one that arguably makes us less competitive in the short term and thus enhances the potential for a shot at Porter or Doncic.

I, for one, am pleased the drama is over with, at worst, no harm done,

if the team needs to rebuild, why is it handing out horrible cap crunching 4 yr deal to one dimensional role players like THJR?

Without the THJR deal I would have really really liked this offseason. We got younger, added some assets and likely improved our draft position. More importantly no more drama etc. No let us just hope that Hardaway plays well so that we may find a taker in two years or so.

SpikJagger · Post #1969 » by **SpikJagger** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:28 pm

Pharmcat wrote:if the team needs to rebuild, why is it handing out horrible cap crunching 4 yr deal to one dimensional role players like THJR?

Because the team doesn't view him as a role player? They view him as a future allstar.

I'm not saying they are right but perception is everything.

Pharmcat · Post #1970 » by **Pharmcat** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:29 pm

SpikJagger wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:if the team needs to rebuild, why is it handing out horrible cap crunching 4 yr deal to one dimensional role players like THJR?

Because the team doesn't view him as a role player? They view him as a future allstar.

perception is everything.

yet no one else in the league does...goes to show why this franchise continues to be in the dump with this joke of a owner and fo

Post #1971 » by **DOT** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:29 pm

Basketball1981 wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:
Dave DaButcher wrote:Puzzling that some folks here have issues with this trade. Melo is a declining 33 year old high usage scorer who doesn't play D and is on an enormous contract for two more years. In light of what George and Butler commanded this summer, it was clear Melo's value was limited.

This team needs to rebuild. So virtually any trade that did not weigh us down with bad long-term contracts would be a net positive, especially one that arguably makes us less competitive in the short term and thus enhances the potential for a shot at Porter or Doncic.

I, for one, am pleased the drama is over with, at worst, no harm done,

if the team needs to rebuild, why is it handing out horrible cap crunching 4 yr deal to one dimensional role players like THJR?

Without the THJR deal I would have really really liked this offseason. We got younger, added some assets and likely improved our draft position. More importantly no more drama etc. No let us just hope that Hardaway plays well so that we may find a taker in two years or so.

Or he plays well and we have a young wing player who can be part of the core?

Oscirus · Post #1972 » by **Oscirus** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:30 pm

shtolky wrote:
Oscirus wrote:
shtolky wrote:

A team can preach defense and hard work and not have every single member of the team be a good defender. I guess we should have traded for Ryan Anderson and his 60m dollar contract.

Or we didn't have to trade him at all till either we got a better haul or he opted out.

No guarantee Melo opts out. He has shown he values money over most anything. Not sure he leaves 28m on the table for one season when he doesnt get close to that on the open market. Keeping him on a team with young guys we are trying to develop is counterproductive, and he hurts the tank. We are clearly going after a top 5 pick in this draft. His presence hinders that. Lastly, you assume we would get a better haul...when? From who? The three teams he seemed willing to go to would suddenly add...what? To add no long term salary, to get a top 35 pick, and to FINALLY move in the direction of youth...not sure how anyone can be pissed at this move. When people are furious over not getting Alex Abrines or whatever, you have to wonder if any trade would have been met with this type of reaction.

Melo clearly doesn't want to be here anymore, it affects his brand and probably isn't good for his mental health. He was so desperate to move that he opened up his list of trade destinations. He would've opted out.
As for if Melo being here hurts us or not, we easily finished in the bottom 10 in the league for at least the last 3 years, so he's not really helping or hurting the tank one way or the other.
As for adding to the trade, if they wanted Ferguson as ESPN seems to think that they did, they should've held out for Ferguson and not jut settle for a high second rounder.

spikeslovechild · Post #1973 » by **spikeslovechild** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:30 pm

This is not a good deal. Didn't accomplish one of two goals offloading Noah or a first round pick.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #1974 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:32 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:This is not a good deal. Didn't accomplish one of two goals offloading Noah or a first round pick.

Offloading Noah was never going to happen and getting a first was a pipedream - neither George nor Butler (swap, that wasn't an outright pick) got one and they are much better players than Melo.

god shammgod · Post #1975 » by **god shammgod** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:34 pm

SpikJagger wrote:Is there anyway to un-and1 a post. I keep trying to quote posts but end up misclicking and and-1'ing the most idiotic posts ever.

feels bad.

yes. just hit and1 again. i just did it to this post to make sure.

Sark · Post #1976 » by **Sark** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:34 pm

Post #1977 » by **NoLayupRule** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:34 pm

K-DOT wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:
NewYorkPride85 wrote:
How about in Detroit for Tobias Harris? Same age and plays a position we need

thats exactly what I was thinking

You think Brooklyn might want him?

They only have Mozgov and Zeller at center, we'd have to take back Carroll, but maybe we get a pick out of it?

I dunno, but we can definitely trade him for something, unlike Anderson

I agree

hes a tradable asset for sure

I think teams that are anemic in scoring - like Boston was prior to their moves or like Mia might be or even SAS - could really use him as a bucket getter off the bench

alternately teams like Det or Orl or Sac might like a guy like him to get the fans interested

I think there are many landing spots for his skills and his unintimidating contract

Sark · Post #1978 » by **Sark** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:35 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:This is not a good deal. Didn't accomplish one of two goals offloading Noah or a first round pick.

You can't offload Noah without giving up an asset. A major one at that.

sushibear · Post #1979 » by **sushibear** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:38 pm

How are you knicks fanatics doing today? Such a fawking great day I'm having. I'm soo god damn happy right now

robillionaire · Post #1980 » by **robillionaire** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:39 pm

Basketball1981 wrote:I have been critical of the Knicks front office ever since the Hardaway signing but I have to give credit to Scott Perry today. This deal is really solid, given the circumstances. I would grade this with a B.

Kanter is a solid player and may net us a mid first round pick at the deadline or on draft day. The Bulls pick will be 30-35 which is very solid and McDermott is an ok throw in. Cap Space preserved. I do think that this is very solid value for Melo at this point. Well done.

Stop trying to be rational, the reactionary tabloid readers are trying to have a meltdown