2018/2019 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.)

[robillionaire]

"if we end up with money to play with after getting a veteran PG." Who fits this? I think Conley and Kemba are overpriced given age and not compatible with our KP & Mitch, Knox core, etc. Are there any undervalued backup PGs we could snag?

rubio

[nyk2017]

Knicks may want to wait until the offseason to make big trades. Would you trade?

#1 pick of 2019 NBA draft (most likely Zion), THJr, Lee +/- Dotson for AD knowing that KD is signing here, KP will sign an extension and AD will sign an extension. We would have 4 seven footers in the starting lineup and PG with 7 foot wingspan. What if New Orleans insisted on Knox or Trier instead of Dotson? In this scenario we would have atleast a 3-4 year to win a title. I am not certain if Lakers can offer a better deal for AD. This is also assuming we get the #1 pick in the draft.

[cgf]

"if we end up with money to play with after getting a veteran PG." Who fits this? I think Conley and Kemba are overpriced given age and not compatible with our KP & Mitch, Knox core, etc. Are there any undervalued backup PGs we could snag?

I actually think Kemba, or if we're including trades Conley / Jrue, would work perfectly as shorter-term solutions who could help KP & the rest of the kids reach their full potential while mentoring Frank to play next to them / eventually replace them.

[Riot Randolph]

Get me skal for one of our 2nd rnders....

[nyk2017]

Knicks may want to wait until the offseason to make big trades. Would you trade?

#1 pick of 2019 NBA draft (most likely Zion), THJr, Lee +/- Dotson for AD knowing that KD is signing here, KP will sign an extension and AD will sign an extension. We would have 4 seven footers in the starting lineup and PG with 7 foot wingspan. What if New Orleans insisted on Knox or Trier instead of Dotson? In this scenario we would have atleast a 3-4 year to win a title. I am not certain if Lakers can offer a better deal for AD. This is also assuming we get the #1 pick in the draft.

This trade can potentially set us up for a Boston type of situation. In 3 years, hopefully after having won at least 1-2 championships, we can trade these guys for a bunch of first round picks to set up sustainable success. KP can be our Rajan Rondo type player. Robinson can be a more athletic version of Kendrick Perkins. Bench would be more talented with 2 of the three (Trier/Knox/Dotson) + Kornet, etc.

Boston did a similar thing with Pierce, Garnett and Ray Allen.

[Bklyn&company]

In NBA Basketball sometimes a teams needs to just give a player the damn ball and playing time.... seriously. A team like the Nets didn't just luck into a S.Dinwiddle ... dude is basically the same player a few years back with a little improvement but those improvements wouldn't have happened if he wasn't allow to grow through live game playing time. The same for his teammates Russell, Harris, Allen and LeVert.
Team situation, coaching, patiences and some damn playing time works wonders.

Just my two cents....

Fiz just play the Kids, stop messing with their minutes

[Nyk4lyfe]

I agree with ya'll that giving up assets to dump salaries with no guarantee of using that new cap space wisely would be foolish (tbh I don't trust Mills with cap space without a plan like that) So, full disclaimer, I would only do the following if we received any sort of hint from a max FAs camp that we had a legitimate shot, otherwise its just not worth the risk

1. If at all possible, flip/milk out any combo of Mudiay, Kanter, Hezonja, Burke for 2nds (thats okay if this step doesn't happen, but its worth a shot)

2. Trade Lee + Vonleh for expirings from possibly Philly, Indiana or Sacrmaneto (I love Vonleh but he won't be worth resigning for what he will be commanding esp since we don't have his bird rights).

3. Trade THJ + Frank for expirings possibly from the teams above, or maybe a team like the Pelicans (I'm also a Frank supporter and wouldn't just trade him so quickly like this because I feel like the potential is still there but the opportunity to dump 23 mil if we have a good idea a superstar would be coming is hard to give up).

*I would be willing to add 2nds as sweeteners if need be to each of the deals above, esp if Step 1 occurs*

4. Draft RJ Barrett #3 pick (we can possibly drop down to #6 in which case we get more cap space but lets just make this assumption).

4. Waive Lance Thomas so he is only guaranteed 1 mil.

5. Accept player options on Dotson and Trier.

6. Renounce all cap holds on all expirings besides Porzingis.

Salary Situation:

Kristaps Porzingis (cap hold): $17,091,162
RJ Barrett: $6,560,640
Joakim Noah (stretched): $6,431,667
Kevin Knox: $4,380,120
Alonzo Trier: $3,551,100
Damyean Dotson: $1,618,520
Michell Robinson $1,559,712
Lance Thomas (guaranteed money): $1,000,000
Empty Roster Spot Cap Holds (x4): $3,262,460

Total: $45,455,381
Projected Salary Cap: $109,000,000
Projected Cap Space: $63,544,619

7. Sign one of ~7 max-worthy players players. Let's say Kyrie Irving due to his youth/window/hometown connections. His max would start at $32.7mil (since he's been in the league 8 years he can get up to 30% of the salary cap)

8. Stars attract other stars. A player like Kawhi Leonard (or any of the other max-worthy players) might then feel compelled to join to create a superteam. Similar to Kyrie, his contract would start at $32.7 mil.

9. Round out the bench by going over the cap using the "cap space MLE" which is around $5mil and Bi-Annual Exception around $3.5 mil. There's bound to be solid rotational players willing to take a paycut for a team like this. If not, theres always gems to be had for cheap when free agency money is running dry (we see this happen every year). 3rd string can easily be filled with ring-chasing vet mins.

Starters:
PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: RJ Barrett
SF: Kawhi Leonard
PF: Kevin Knox
C: Kristaps Porzingis

Bench:
PG: Bi-Annual Exception
SG: Alonzo Trier
SF: Damyean Dotson
PF: Mid-Level Exception
C: Mitchell Robinson

Again, I understand this is more of a pipe dream but I just posted this in order to outline the type of flexibility that is possible this summer if we play our cards right.

Obviously Kawhi and Kyrie are best case scenarios (more realistically I see Kawhi going to LAC and Kyrie staying) but there are plenty of other good FAs out there this year (Kemba, Klay, Butler, Tobias, Durant lol, Middleton). Also, even if were JUST able to do the Courtney Lee trade that gives us enough money to sign any one max free agent + maybe resign Vonleh and then we can always just trade THJ (who would then be on a shorter deal) with some assets attached (Frank, Trier, Dotson, Robinson, 2nds, lottery protected 1sts) for another perennial all-star type player. Please let me know if any of this math is wrong!

[SuperflyKnick]

Knicks may want to wait until the offseason to make big trades. Would you trade?

#1 pick of 2019 NBA draft (most likely Zion), THJr, Lee +/- Dotson for AD knowing that KD is signing here, KP will sign an extension and AD will sign an extension. We would have 4 seven footers in the starting lineup and PG with 7 foot wingspan. What if New Orleans insisted on Knox or Trier instead of Dotson? In this scenario we would have atleast a 3-4 year to win a title. I am not certain if Lakers can offer a better deal for AD. This is also assuming we get the #1 pick in the draft.

For AD I do that trade run and don’t look back ....


Imagine a lineup of

AD
Prozingod
Knox
Free agent signing
Frank

Holllly shi.......ttttt

[cgf]

If KD & Boogie want to go to the clippers; Jimmy, Klay, Middleton & Kawhi stay put; we can’t get Kemba or Kyrie; and Vonleh gets dumped for a high SRP at the deadline...I wonder if we could get Harrell & their 2021 FRP from the Clippers for eating Gallo’s 2019-2020 money if they want to bring back Harris to play with KD / Bougie / SGA / Lou?

[Drazen8]

Anyone want to do the math on a THJ and Lee for Parsons?
Maybe buy out and stretch Parsons at $20 mil at the end of the season or use him as an expiring next year if no one big wants to come this offseason?
Edit: Parsons has a 15% trade kicker too.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Thon Maker anyone?
He’s requested a trade.
The Bucks have always kinda had a thing for Enes.
Maybe we can put something together there?

[lloydj]

Knicks: Kanter and C.Lee

Clippers: 2nd Rounder, Gortat and Avery

[Big Chan]

I think the Bucks line up well as a trade partner. Hill makes 19 Mill next year but only 1 or 2 of that is guaranteed, he’s essentially an expiring. Maybe we can send Kanter and Lee to them for Hill, Maker, and Smith? Gives them some nice depth and clears like 9 mill off the cap for us while adding another young piece. Probably need to throw a 2nd or two into the deal from our side.

[thebuzzardman]

Here's the trade I'm looking forward to:

The Knicks trade no one to anybody and get no one in return, as the Knicks players sort of suck and are overpaid, and the contracts are bad matches if they need to reduce salary for next year"

I like making wishes that are likely to come true.


As a note to above, Knicks could make deals with kanter, THJr, CLee but they'd have to be taking on salary and eyeing 2021 FA.
Since the Knicks are incapable of that sort of longer vision, I try to ignore scenarios like that.

[HarthorneWingo]

Thin Maker requested a trade from the Bucks


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[thebuzzardman]

Thin Maker requested a trade from the Bucks


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He's gonna be older than Herb Williams any day now

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks trade for Thon Maker, draft Manute Bol, KP comes back

The New York Sticks

Also
Tayshaun Prince hired as Asst Coach and nutritionist

[cgf]

Knicks: Kanter and C.Lee

Clippers: 2nd Rounder, Gortat and Avery

I think you meant

Kanter + Hezonja
for
Gallo + 2021 FRP

[lloydj]

Knicks: Kanter and C.Lee

Clippers: 2nd Rounder, Gortat and Avery

I think you meant

Kanter + Hezonja
for
Gallo + 2021 FRP

The Knicks only get salary relief next year only. The Clippers will need Gallo for playoff run.

[cgf]

Knicks: Kanter and C.Lee

Clippers: 2nd Rounder, Gortat and Avery

I think you meant

Kanter + Hezonja
for
Gallo + 2021 FRP

The Knicks only get salary relief next year only. The Clippers will need Gallo for playoff run.

The clippers will need the capspace for KD & Cousins