2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

[robillionaire]

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they can't do it. they have a wide open layup and they just can't

[Polk377]

these racist call outs are stunning

never before in my life has an entire campaign strategy been based on racism

its such a shame that its going to take so many people time and distance to look back and realize just how unacceptable this is
it may end with this horrible man actually overtly calling for domestic terrorism to defend his ego. this "poll watching", "stand back and stand by", etc is all just so much gasoline being poured on the embers of racial conflict

astounding

This is the face of Antifa:



These are members of the Proud Boys:



Both are equally terrible and opposite sides of the same coin. You cannot call one a hate group without acknowledging the other as the same. In doing so you are a hypocrite.

[Statlanta]

I feel like the situation around the nation is like the PC Board. Nobody wants to talk about politics which promote echo chamber and harsh name calling on both sides.

[nedleeds]

these racist call outs are stunning

never before in my life has an entire campaign strategy been based on racism

It's amazing. Especially given HIllary lost by doubling down on identity politics and racializing everything. Biden and Harris are doing it all over again, tripling down and making everything about race and what race you are instead of economy, unity and equality.

this is projection, and trump's entire campaign is white identity politics and culture war BS. that's why he won in the first place and that's what he's running on again now

He won in 2016 because the democrats have been fleeing liberalism for progressive socialism and racializing everything and everyone for the last 20 years. Everyone has to be put in a ethnic skin sleeve, a gender classification etc.. What used to be the party of free speech at all costs is now censure and cancel everyone who disagrees party. Nothing can be explained without a racial angle regardless of data by the democrats. The democrats constant racial berating has given 95% of the white people out there an awareness that they are white, before this most didn't even consciously acknowledge it. They created their own white politics by constantly pounding the whites are racist narrative.

He got the secular conservative vote in 2016 because he's not religious, he worships himself and money. He probably got the libertarian / don't tread on me vote in 2016 because at the time Hillary reeked of corruption. I think those tables might get turned on him now, the media has been pushing the corruption / graft angle with him and some of it has stuck so Biden might look cleaner.

What's racist in Trump's actual stated, written and published plans for helping black people? (besides the fact that it specifically helps a group of people who share an ethnic background disproportionately). What on here don't you agree with or would do differently? Or I guess what do see at https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/the-issues/ that looks better? Or is just misquoted attempts to trick him into sounding racist? Orange man bad? Mrrrr Russia?

[DOT]

these racist call outs are stunning

never before in my life has an entire campaign strategy been based on racism

its such a shame that its going to take so many people time and distance to look back and realize just how unacceptable this is
it may end with this horrible man actually overtly calling for domestic terrorism to defend his ego. this "poll watching", "stand back and stand by", etc is all just so much gasoline being poured on the embers of racial conflict

astounding

This is the face of Antifa:



These are members of the Proud Boys:



Both are equally terrible and opposite sides of the same coin. You cannot call one a hate group without acknowledging the other as the same. In doing so you are a hypocrite.

There is a difference though

Antifa hates people for things they can change. Like their sh*tty beliefs and racism

Proud Boys hate people for things they can't change. Like their skin color, sexuality, and genetalia

Also, you were just defending the Proud Boys for running people over in cars. By your own logic, that makes you a hypocrite.

[nedleeds]

these racist call outs are stunning

never before in my life has an entire campaign strategy been based on racism

its such a shame that its going to take so many people time and distance to look back and realize just how unacceptable this is
it may end with this horrible man actually overtly calling for domestic terrorism to defend his ego. this "poll watching", "stand back and stand by", etc is all just so much gasoline being poured on the embers of racial conflict

astounding

This is the face of Antifa:

Both are equally terrible and opposite sides of the same coin. You cannot call one a hate group without acknowledging the other as the same. In doing so you are a hypocrite.

Agree they're both divisive counter productive clowns. Now which one is actively burning federal buildings, attacking police and destroying private property? This is the thing the left just can't seem to do, they win this election going away had they just denounced Antifa the organization -- not the statement, BLM the organization -- not the sentence.

[robillionaire]

It's amazing. Especially given HIllary lost by doubling down on identity politics and racializing everything. Biden and Harris are doing it all over again, tripling down and making everything about race and what race you are instead of economy, unity and equality.

this is projection, and trump's entire campaign is white identity politics and culture war BS. that's why he won in the first place and that's what he's running on again now

He won in 2016 because the democrats have been fleeing liberalism for progressive socialism and racializing everything and everyone for the last 20 years. Everyone has to be put in a ethnic skin sleeve, a gender classification etc.. What used to be the party of free speech at all costs is now censure and cancel everyone who disagrees party. Nothing can be explained without a racial angle regardless of data by the democrats. The democrats constant racial berating has given 95% of the white people out there an awareness that they are white, before this most didn't even consciously acknowledge it. They created their own white politics by constantly pounding the whites are racist narrative.

He got the secular conservative vote in 2016 because he's not religious, he worships himself and money. He probably got the libertarian / don't tread on me vote in 2016 because at the time Hillary reeked of corruption. I think those tables might get turned on him now, the media has been pushing the corruption / graft angle with him and some of it has stuck so Biden might look cleaner.

What's racist in Trump's actual stated, written and published plans for helping black people? (besides the fact that it specifically helps a group of people who share an ethnic background disproportionately). What on here don't you agree with or would do differently? Or I guess what do see at https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/the-issues/ that looks better? Or is just misquoted attempts to trick him into sounding racist? Orange man bad? Mrrrr Russia?

yeah white people never realized that they were white until 2016

[Clyde_Style]

these racist call outs are stunning

never before in my life has an entire campaign strategy been based on racism

its such a shame that its going to take so many people time and distance to look back and realize just how unacceptable this is
it may end with this horrible man actually overtly calling for domestic terrorism to defend his ego. this "poll watching", "stand back and stand by", etc is all just so much gasoline being poured on the embers of racial conflict

astounding

This is the face of Antifa:

Both are equally terrible and opposite sides of the same coin. You cannot call one a hate group without acknowledging the other as the same. In doing so you are a hypocrite.

Agree they're both divisive counter productive clowns. Now which one is actively burning federal buildings, attacking police and destroying private property? This is the thing the left just can't seem to do, they win this election going away had they just denounced Antifa the organization -- not the statement, BLM the organization -- not the sentence.

There is no official Antifa organization to denounce

Biden in the debate unequivocably said he supports prosecution of ANYONE who commits crimes of destruction. He said he supports peaceful protest, not violent protest.

So he said exactly what you are demanding without saying he denounced a fictitious centralized organization called Antifa

The Proud Boys however are an organized group with defined leadership roles that can be held accountable

You can't have your cake and eat it too, because Biden denounced all forms of violence by ANY group whereas Trump refused to denounce White Supremacy and invoked the name of the Proud Boys

There is a giant chasm between saying "Proud Boys, Stand Back and Stand By" and "I do not support violence by any group"

If you can't acknowledge the difference it is because you choose to ignore basic facts

[nedleeds]

this is projection, and trump's entire campaign is white identity politics and culture war BS. that's why he won in the first place and that's what he's running on again now

He won in 2016 because the democrats have been fleeing liberalism for progressive socialism and racializing everything and everyone for the last 20 years. Everyone has to be put in a ethnic skin sleeve, a gender classification etc.. What used to be the party of free speech at all costs is now censure and cancel everyone who disagrees party. Nothing can be explained without a racial angle regardless of data by the democrats. The democrats constant racial berating has given 95% of the white people out there an awareness that they are white, before this most didn't even consciously acknowledge it. They created their own white politics by constantly pounding the whites are racist narrative.

He got the secular conservative vote in 2016 because he's not religious, he worships himself and money. He probably got the libertarian / don't tread on me vote in 2016 because at the time Hillary reeked of corruption. I think those tables might get turned on him now, the media has been pushing the corruption / graft angle with him and some of it has stuck so Biden might look cleaner.

What's racist in Trump's actual stated, written and published plans for helping black people? (besides the fact that it specifically helps a group of people who share an ethnic background disproportionately). What on here don't you agree with or would do differently? Or I guess what do see at https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/the-issues/ that looks better? Or is just misquoted attempts to trick him into sounding racist? Orange man bad? Mrrrr Russia?

yeah white people never realized that they were white until 2016

They realized they were Italian. Polish, Irish, Catholic, Jewish, or into softball. I didn't say they didn't know they were white, but their identity isn't built around it. Whites don't wake up htinking about how white they are, or heading down to the White Engineering Society, or flipping on white entertainment television, or reading white enterprise. It's just not core to their being. When I went to college, I got bombarded with Hispanic this and Hispanic Society of that and all these different groups where I would be encouraged to meet and immerse myself in other people for no real reason other than we checked Hispanic on our applications. White classmates just went about their lives. There are proxies certainly, like frats and such but it's just not the center of their lives. It's just not.

But back to my question that you deflected, what he presented in Atlanta that the media refused to acknowledge cover or discuss or debate openly.

"What's racist in Trump's actual stated, written and published plans for helping black people? (besides the fact that it specifically helps a group of people who share an ethnic background disproportionately). What on here don't you agree with or would do differently? Or I guess what do see at https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/the-issues/ that looks better? "

[Clyde_Style]

I feel like the situation around the nation is like the PC Board. Nobody wants to talk about politics which promote echo chamber and harsh name calling on both sides.

This thread is not echo chambering even if other threads do and many public forms of interaction are.

The past few pages contain copious FACTS that show the impact of Trump's commitment to White Supremacy

[Polk377]

these racist call outs are stunning

never before in my life has an entire campaign strategy been based on racism

its such a shame that its going to take so many people time and distance to look back and realize just how unacceptable this is
it may end with this horrible man actually overtly calling for domestic terrorism to defend his ego. this "poll watching", "stand back and stand by", etc is all just so much gasoline being poured on the embers of racial conflict

astounding

This is the face of Antifa:



These are members of the Proud Boys:



Both are equally terrible and opposite sides of the same coin. You cannot call one a hate group without acknowledging the other as the same. In doing so you are a hypocrite.

There is a difference though

Antifa hates people for things they can change. Like their sh*tty beliefs and racism

Proud Boys hate people for things they can't change. Like their skin color, sexuality, and genetalia

Also, you were just defending the Proud Boys for running people over in cars. By your own logic, that makes you a hypocrite.

Antifa hates anyone and anything that doesn't bow down to their ideology. It doesn't matter if they are white, black, hispanic, or purple. It you don't bow to them they proceed to harass, assault, vandalize and terrorize you even if you are on their side.

Proud Boys are not a white supremacist group. They actually have non white members. They believe in Western ideologies and that if you are American or White or Male, you should not be blamed for all of the problems and not be allowed to feel pride in themselves for being American, White or Male. Pretty much anti-feminists. They don't think victim virtue should be praised either. To fight against this they take radical action against their opposition with wrong tactics.

With that said, the Proud Boys aren't going around running people over with cars. By most accounts and cases the people getting hit by cars are the ones attacking or vandalizing motorists vehicles in mobs. If you do not have a permit to protest in the middle of the street and are causing motorists to fear for their lives chances are they will do what they can to save themselves and if that means running you over that is what is going to happen. It has nothing to do with race, gender or sexual orientation. It is common sense.

[DOT]

Proud Boys are not a white supremacist group. They actually have non white members. They believe in Western ideologies and that if you are American or White or Male, you should not be blamed for all of the problems and not be allowed to feel pride in themselves for being American, White or Male. Pretty much anti-feminists. They don't think victim virtue should be praised either. To fight against this they take radical action against their opposition with wrong tactics.

I like how you say they're not a white supremacist group, then define their beliefs as what white nationalism is

The Proud Boys are white nationalist neo-nazis. Plain and simple. "I have a black friend" is one of the most tired, overused arguments against racism. How could Thomas Jefferson be racist, most of his children were biracial!

"Western" ideology is a dog whistle. Everyone knows it, and you either genuinely don't know (which means you need to educate yourself on alt-right propaganda) or you do know and are gaslighting. Really, neither is better than the other

Also, there's no way you don't know that white pride is synonymous with white supremacy.

[GONYK]

Proud Boys are not a white supremacist group. They actually have non white members. They believe in Western ideologies and that if you are American or White or Male, you should not be blamed for all of the problems and not be allowed to feel pride in themselves for being American, White or Male. Pretty much anti-feminists. They don't think victim virtue should be praised either. To fight against this they take radical action against their opposition with wrong tactics.

I like how you say they're not a white supremacist group, then define their beliefs as what white nationalism is

The Proud Boys are white nationalist neo-nazis. Plain and simple. "I have a black friend" is one of the most tired, overused arguments against racism. How could Thomas Jefferson be racist, most of his children were biracial!

"Western" ideology is a dog whistle. Everyone knows it, and you either genuinely don't know (which means you need to educate yourself on alt-right propaganda) or you do know and are gaslighting. Really, neither is better than the other

Also, there's no way you don't know that white pride is synonymous with white supremacy.

Having non-white members also does not mean you aren't a white supremacy group.

[Clyde_Style]

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[Polk377]

Proud Boys are not a white supremacist group. They actually have non white members. They believe in Western ideologies and that if you are American or White or Male, you should not be blamed for all of the problems and not be allowed to feel pride in themselves for being American, White or Male. Pretty much anti-feminists. They don't think victim virtue should be praised either. To fight against this they take radical action against their opposition with wrong tactics.

I like how you say they're not a white supremacist group, then define their beliefs as what white nationalism is

The Proud Boys are white nationalist neo-nazis. Plain and simple. "I have a black friend" is one of the most tired, overused arguments against racism. How could Thomas Jefferson be racist, most of his children were biracial!

"Western" ideology is a dog whistle. Everyone knows it, and you either genuinely don't know (which means you need to educate yourself on alt-right propaganda) or you do know and are gaslighting. Really, neither is better than the other

Also, there's no way you don't know that white pride is synonymous with white supremacy.

Having non-white members also does not mean you aren't a white supremacy group.

They are a male supremecy group more than anything. Tell me what Black or Hispanic people are joining a white supremecy group? None maybe?

[Clyde_Style]

Proud Boys are not a white supremacist group. They actually have non white members. They believe in Western ideologies and that if you are American or White or Male, you should not be blamed for all of the problems and not be allowed to feel pride in themselves for being American, White or Male. Pretty much anti-feminists. They don't think victim virtue should be praised either. To fight against this they take radical action against their opposition with wrong tactics.

I like how you say they're not a white supremacist group, then define their beliefs as what white nationalism is

The Proud Boys are white nationalist neo-nazis. Plain and simple. "I have a black friend" is one of the most tired, overused arguments against racism. How could Thomas Jefferson be racist, most of his children were biracial!

"Western" ideology is a dog whistle. Everyone knows it, and you either genuinely don't know (which means you need to educate yourself on alt-right propaganda) or you do know and are gaslighting. Really, neither is better than the other

Also, there's no way you don't know that white pride is synonymous with white supremacy.

".......... but I have a black friend .........."

To remain a Trump supporter you have two choices:

(a) Be honest about your support of White Supremacy or

(b) be dishonest and sweep it under the rug

Trump eliminated all other variables at the debate

Polk is just dishonest. They actively support White Nationalism

[robillionaire]

He won in 2016 because the democrats have been fleeing liberalism for progressive socialism and racializing everything and everyone for the last 20 years. Everyone has to be put in a ethnic skin sleeve, a gender classification etc.. What used to be the party of free speech at all costs is now censure and cancel everyone who disagrees party. Nothing can be explained without a racial angle regardless of data by the democrats. The democrats constant racial berating has given 95% of the white people out there an awareness that they are white, before this most didn't even consciously acknowledge it. They created their own white politics by constantly pounding the whites are racist narrative.

He got the secular conservative vote in 2016 because he's not religious, he worships himself and money. He probably got the libertarian / don't tread on me vote in 2016 because at the time Hillary reeked of corruption. I think those tables might get turned on him now, the media has been pushing the corruption / graft angle with him and some of it has stuck so Biden might look cleaner.

What's racist in Trump's actual stated, written and published plans for helping black people? (besides the fact that it specifically helps a group of people who share an ethnic background disproportionately). What on here don't you agree with or would do differently? Or I guess what do see at https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/the-issues/ that looks better? Or is just misquoted attempts to trick him into sounding racist? Orange man bad? Mrrrr Russia?

yeah white people never realized that they were white until 2016

They realized they were Italian. Polish, Irish, Catholic, Jewish, or into softball. I didn't say they didn't know they were white, but their identity isn't built around it. Whites don't wake up htinking about how white they are, or heading down to the White Engineering Society, or flipping on white entertainment television, or reading white enterprise. It's just not core to their being. When I went to college, I got bombarded with Hispanic this and Hispanic Society of that and all these different groups where I would be encouraged to meet and immerse myself in other people for no real reason other than we checked Hispanic on our applications. White classmates just went about their lives. There are proxies certainly, like frats and such but it's just not the center of their lives. It's just not.

But back to my question that you deflected, what he presented in Atlanta that the media refused to acknowledge cover or discuss or debate openly.

"What's racist in Trump's actual stated, written and published plans for helping black people? (besides the fact that it specifically helps a group of people who share an ethnic background disproportionately). What on here don't you agree with or would do differently? Or I guess what do see at https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/the-issues/ that looks better? "

Well this is actually a large part of the problem, maybe the so called colorblindness and unawareness and indifference to the racism that permeates society and going about their lives instead of being outraged at these injustices for all these years is a reason we are where we are in such a sad state today. I reject the idea that this is all just ignorance, but now many are developing this victimhood complex and confusing loss of privilege as their own oppression and Trump is seizing on that.

What don't I agree with in that plan? For one it's coming from a fascist regime that is dishonest and has proven they will do anything for power, that aside, it's not a concrete policy, it's ideas and platitudes that will likely never actually happen, and while it seems innocent enough at face value, we know the whole thing is designed to shoehorn in the idea of being able to detain indefinitely anti-fascists who they can designate as terrorists so they can go after trump's political enemies and protesters and put them in Guantanamo, but it's trying to be hidden in a bunch of racial bribes. Many of the people who would be labeled as "antifa" which isn't an organization, would be black people and BLM protesters and really ANY protester. He thinks it's so clever but I think most people identify the agenda and see right through it. But why would you even put this forward as something to be applauded when you claim the root of your dislike for the dems is because they do this exact same kind of pandering? How is this any different? Why do you support this if not for the reason I already pointed out? You wouldn't.

[robillionaire]

Proud Boys are not a white supremacist group. They actually have non white members. They believe in Western ideologies and that if you are American or White or Male, you should not be blamed for all of the problems and not be allowed to feel pride in themselves for being American, White or Male. Pretty much anti-feminists. They don't think victim virtue should be praised either. To fight against this they take radical action against their opposition with wrong tactics.

I like how you say they're not a white supremacist group, then define their beliefs as what white nationalism is

The Proud Boys are white nationalist neo-nazis. Plain and simple. "I have a black friend" is one of the most tired, overused arguments against racism. How could Thomas Jefferson be racist, most of his children were biracial!

"Western" ideology is a dog whistle. Everyone knows it, and you either genuinely don't know (which means you need to educate yourself on alt-right propaganda) or you do know and are gaslighting. Really, neither is better than the other

Also, there's no way you don't know that white pride is synonymous with white supremacy.

They know.

[robillionaire]

Trump let the mask slip off just a little too far on tuesday fellas. Good luck defending all this. I don't know who is still buying but good luck

[Clyde_Style]

Trump broke the debate rules his campaign agreed to

Trump's M.O. is to cut and run so there is a good chance now he'll bail out of the remaining debates.

The debate commision is going to change the rules for the next event

Trump may say he doesn't accept the rule changes and take his ball and go home

Which would present a sterling opportunity for Biden to hold a Town Hall event at the scheduled time and do a Q & A with the public. His audience for that would be significant

Plus Trump would just hang the loser and chicken label around his own neck if he bails