2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 4

[Fat Kat]

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[god shammgod]

I think they will take a lot from what he does this postseason. But I don't think they want to remove a tradable salary this offseason before they even know what they are doing next year.

Basically if you move Fournier deal for an expiring before the deadline you are basically forced to trade Randle and or Mitch for matching salary. I dont' think they want to make that decision YET.

and i'm saying that it's inevitable that they're gonna have to trade randle if the plan is to bring in a star here. it's just too much salary to keep brunson, "star", randle, og and an assortment of already paid role players. something has to give.

i guess you're saying they want to have one year with all 4 of them ?

The 2nd apron makes it really hard to build a team, but if an organization is willing to pay the price it doesn't prevent you from keeping a team together. Would just need to draft really well from that point on because we wouldn't be able to afford to add talent other than through the draft...or to sell our depth for less-proven and cheaper depth.

So to me that depends on the third star. If they were a good fit, it would be doable without gutting our depth.

unless some new name emerges, i'm not sure there's gonna be any star that vaults us to top of the league. we'll see i guess.

[mpharris36]

and i'm saying that it's inevitable that they're gonna have to trade randle if the plan is to bring in a star here. it's just too much salary to keep brunson, "star", randle, og and an assortment of already paid role players. something has to give.

i guess you're saying they want to have one year with all 4 of them ?

The 2nd apron makes it really hard to build a team, but if an organization is willing to pay the price it doesn't prevent you from keeping a team together. Would just need to draft really well from that point on because we wouldn't be able to afford to add talent other than through the draft...or to sell our depth for less-proven and cheaper depth.

So to me that depends on the third star. If they were a good fit, it would be doable without gutting our depth.

unless some new name emerges, i'm not sure there's gonna be any star that vaults us to top of the league. we'll see i guess.

I think if we are fully healthy right now we are pretty close to the top of league. If you just trade picks and an that expiring salary for a all-star type player they clearly would be at the top of the league.

[DOT]

I'm trying to imagine an offense where both Brown and Hart are on the floor at the same time

I'm really struggling to see how that'd work.

is bruce brown that bad of a shooter? i’ve always remembered him as a willing and capable 3 point shooter

Career
34.6% on 4.6 3PA/36 for Hart
33.9% on 2.6 3PA/36 for Brown

2022-2023
37.2% on 2.4 3PA/36 for Hart...51.9% on 2.5 as a knick
35.8% on 4.0 3PA/36 for Brown

This year:

30.2% on 3.5 3PA/36 for Hart
33.1% on 3.6 3PA/36 for Brown

Neither is really better than the other, both are making 1.9 3s per game combined

For reference, Grimes is at 1.7 3s per game this year.

[mpharris36]

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mavs have been trying to trade Hardy and a draft pick for a rotational player I wonder if that was the offer.

[Besart19]

If Mitch, Fournier, Grimes and 4 or 5 picks that Ainge asked was accepted, i think we could have been on a better position

Hartenstein / Sims
Randle / Achiuwa
Anunoby / Hart
Mitchell / Di Vincenzo
Brunson / McBride

[god shammgod]

The 2nd apron makes it really hard to build a team, but if an organization is willing to pay the price it doesn't prevent you from keeping a team together. Would just need to draft really well from that point on because we wouldn't be able to afford to add talent other than through the draft...or to sell our depth for less-proven and cheaper depth.

So to me that depends on the third star. If they were a good fit, it would be doable without gutting our depth.

unless some new name emerges, i'm not sure there's gonna be any star that vaults us to top of the league. we'll see i guess.

I think if we are fully healthy right now we are pretty close to the top of league. If you just trade picks and an that expiring salary for a all-star type player they clearly would be at the top of the league.

it depends who it is. we get donovan and we start brunson, him, randle and it will be hard to maintain a top defense. we might have to trade randle just to make the pieces fit better. we trade randle and evan for kat and we may not even be much better. like i said, maybe somebody new emerges but right now i don't think i see what you see.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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The Bucks and the Mavs are interested in everyone and have nothing to offer

[cgf]

and i'm saying that it's inevitable that they're gonna have to trade randle if the plan is to bring in a star here. it's just too much salary to keep brunson, "star", randle, og and an assortment of already paid role players. something has to give.

i guess you're saying they want to have one year with all 4 of them ?

The 2nd apron makes it really hard to build a team, but if an organization is willing to pay the price it doesn't prevent you from keeping a team together. Would just need to draft really well from that point on because we wouldn't be able to afford to add talent other than through the draft...or to sell our depth for less-proven and cheaper depth.

So to me that depends on the third star. If they were a good fit, it would be doable without gutting our depth.

unless some new name emerges, i'm not sure there's gonna be any star that vaults us to top of the league. we'll see i guess.

We can debate that, but it doesn't hurt to keep our options open. Especially because it's not like there's a perfect fit who's available for cheap and the only flaw with getting him is his contract's expiring, who we'd be cutting ourselves off from getting.

[DOT]

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The Bucks and the Mavs are interested in everyone and have nothing to offer

Same.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

If Mitch, Fournier, Grimes and 4 or 5 picks that Ainge asked was accepted, i think we could have been on a better position

Hartenstein / Sims
Randle / Achiuwa
Anunoby / Hart
Mitchell / Di Vincenzo
Brunson / McBride

Ainge wanted RJ & IQ, plus picks. There's no path that would have led to us trading for Mitchell and sitll ending up with OG AND Hart.

[TrueWarrior]

Im alright with Bruce Brown I suppose considering the names out there and the prices.

Wouldnt surprise me at all if Thibs ended up using Brown over Hart and Donte to close games at SG either once everyone is healthy.

Brown isnt as good of a rebounder as Hart or as good of a scorer/shooter as Donte, but he’s kind of a mix of them. He gives a little more beef than Donte for defensive switchability while being a better scorer than Hart.

Im just curious what happens to Grimes and McBride then. One of them would be out of the normal rotation if we bring in Brown.

Bruce is not the sexy panty droppin move, but hes okay for now. The offseason will be when a splash is made from what Woj and everyone else is saying, that makes sense with our contract situation.

[mpharris36]

unless some new name emerges, i'm not sure there's gonna be any star that vaults us to top of the league. we'll see i guess.

I think if we are fully healthy right now we are pretty close to the top of league. If you just trade picks and an that expiring salary for a all-star type player they clearly would be at the top of the league.

it depends who it is. we get donovan and we start brunson, him, randle and it will be hard to maintain a top defense. we might have to trade randle just to make the pieces fit better. we trade randle and evan for kat and we may not even be much better. like i said, maybe somebody new emerges but right now i don't think i see what you see.

Maybe, but we were the #1 defense with Brunson/DD/OG/Randle/Ihart

do you think DD is that much of a better defender than Mitchell? I mean he probably tries a bit harder. But OG and getting mitch back might be enough to keep that level of defense.

Then you still have DD/Hart/Ihart off the bench with Duece.

Also who knows what star it might be...Cavs might not trade Mitchell if they keep winning. We will know more how the playoffs shake out. But I think it makes sense to keep all our options open for anything that could happen...which means not trading Fournier for expirings this deadline.

[Stannis]

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Probably a top 25 protected pick that we could have added to our "haul of picks".

[DaGawd]

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mavs have been trying to trade Hardy and a draft pick for a rotational player I wonder if that was the offer.

i would’ve taken that instantly if i were leon

[mpharris36]

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mavs have been trying to trade Hardy and a draft pick for a rotational player I wonder if that was the offer.

i would’ve taken that instantly if i were leon

meh you like Hardy that much?

And its probably was just a Hardy for Grimes swap. I think they were trying to trade Hardy and a 1st for Kuzma...my guess is they probably didn't offer the same level package for Grimes.

But Grimes is a better player than Hardy.

[Chislic]

Positives of Brown:

1. Relatively modest cost to obtain (if rumors are to be believed)
2. Better playmaker than McBride so Thibs will trust him more in big spots (ie playoffs, helps Brunson rest more)
3. Better shooter and offensive player than Hart so reduces our reliance on Hart
4. Better defender than Hart so more effective bench minutes; our overall defensive metrics should creep up further
5. Adds depth to help us get a top 3 or 4 seed this playoffs
6. Has a year of salary next season to be used in potential blockbuster trades
7. Can be played with Brunson
8. Was Denver's most reliable bench piece in championship run; playoff experience is huge
9. Wants to be here.

So, yeah, not an entirely "ideal" fit in some ways, but he definitely makes us better on paper and in theory. I'd be behind this if Toronto has a reasonable ask.

10. Thibs has a man crush on him
11. Fits into team identity/culture

Brown checks a lot of boxes. One of the main arguments against Brown is redundancy. I don't think NY perceives redundancy as a weakness, but rather as enhancing team strengths and identity. NY isn't afraid to double down on those things. (rebounding, hustle, defense, winning mentality)

It's impossible to build a team without weaknesses. We're not going to find a perfect solution for the this trade deadline. Clarkson and Brogdon would be great, but I think Brown would be solid as well.

[Juco24]

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[DaGawd]

mavs have been trying to trade Hardy and a draft pick for a rotational player I wonder if that was the offer.

i would’ve taken that instantly if i were leon

meh you like Hardy that much?

And its probably was just a Hardy for Grimes swap. I think they were trying to trade Hardy and a 1st for Kuzma...my guess is they probably didn't offer the same level package for Grimes.

But Grimes is a better player than Hardy.

i do like hardy’s potential but it’s the pick that would’ve made it a no brainier if that was the deal, but yeah if it was just hardy for grimes straight up that’s probably a no for me

[Buttah304]

If the Knicks FO want to look at Brogdon, Clarkson or Bruce Brown as an on-the-margins type move this deadline then so be it. Just do me one favor.

Keep this soft, constantly complaining, often benched down the stretch for defensive purposes 55M+ liability off the Knicks and please refrain from believing he’s some kind of star splash this summer.