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Deeeez Knicks wrote:I would be surprised if Daboll is still here next year so we really shouldn't draft based on what he may prefer
MrDollarBills wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:I would be surprised if Daboll is still here next year so we really shouldn't draft based on what he may prefer
This is the issue I have with the move.
If you're gonna fire the guy anyway, why did we just burn two good picks for Dart?
Frankly I would have not traded back in if they weren't sold on Sanders and drafted line depth. We will be picking top 10 next year. Why force it now?
I blame Mara tbh. You don't put lame ducks in this position. He should have fired them.
MrDollarBills wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:I would be surprised if Daboll is still here next year so we really shouldn't draft based on what he may prefer
This is the issue I have with the move.
If you're gonna fire the guy anyway, why did we just burn two good picks for Dart?
Frankly I would have not traded back in if they weren't sold on Sanders and drafted line depth. We will be picking top 10 next year. Why force it now?
I blame Mara tbh. You don't put lame ducks in this position. He should have fired them.
GONYK wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:I would be surprised if Daboll is still here next year so we really shouldn't draft based on what he may prefer
This is the issue I have with the move.
If you're gonna fire the guy anyway, why did we just burn two good picks for Dart?
Frankly I would have not traded back in if they weren't sold on Sanders and drafted line depth. We will be picking top 10 next year. Why force it now?
I blame Mara tbh. You don't put lame ducks in this position. He should have fired them.
Perhaps they aren't as lame as everyone thinks.
They had 3 mandates when they were brought back, straight from Mara's mouth:
1. Get competent QB play
2. Improve the defense
3. Find the QB of the future.
They have done all 3. Mara never attached a win total or playoff expectation to anything.
Ghetto Gospel wrote:GONYK wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:
This is the issue I have with the move.
If you're gonna fire the guy anyway, why did we just burn two good picks for Dart?
Frankly I would have not traded back in if they weren't sold on Sanders and drafted line depth. We will be picking top 10 next year. Why force it now?
I blame Mara tbh. You don't put lame ducks in this position. He should have fired them.
Perhaps they aren't as lame as everyone thinks.
They had 3 mandates when they were brought back, straight from Mara's mouth:
1. Get competent QB play
2. Improve the defense
3. Find the QB of the future.
They have done all 3. Mara never attached a win total or playoff expectation to anything.
for the record 1 and 3 are not complete. we are not sure that the 3 QBs we have in the QB room are competent nor do we know that jaxson dart is the QB of the future unless he steps on the field and shows it
DOT wrote:I really don't want Shedeur to go to the Browns at the top of the 2nd
Just cause the further he falls, the better chance he has to go to a team that doesn't need a QB right away that can let him sit for a bit. Like, the Rams would be ideal, or lowkey the Raiders or Seahawks
Also I just think the Browns are a garbage fire of a franchise (I know, glass houses and stones), and if they drafted any QB especially with the expectation of him starting this year, I don't think he would make it.
MrDollarBills wrote:TerrenceClarke wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:
I totally understand why you're upset but everyone literally passed on him which says to me the league scouts didn't have a 1st rd grade for him. That's alarming to me and there were rumblings for weeks that he did himself no favors in face to face interviews. I guess the Giants wanted one last look at him...there's no guarantees here.
I am not sold on Dart so I would have preferred not to trade up and another starter at 34. But I can't ignore how teams who actually need a QB also passed on him.
Nobody had first round grade on Jalen Hurt based on where he was picked so what does that really mean. And plenty of scouts had a first round grade on him, it was not some unanimous choice.
Also pick 25 and pick 34. Whats the difference? nothing in terms of who they could pick this year.
This is the same NFL that allowed Lamar Jackson to slip. If it was not for a Black GM in Baltimore we could be talking about him as a second round pick.
Its all BS.
You do realize that alot of those reports can be a smear campaign right? I would not assume just because its a report that its accurate.
The Giants did the same schit with Flores. EXTREME INTEREST only to walk away at the end. I look at patterns here.
what did SS do to the Giants ? Nothing. They KEPT Scouting him KEPT talking to him. so I dont want to hear about face to face interviews with them when they had like 50 of them already.
People can argue SS at 3. But passing on him at 25 is just BS. There is no way around it to me. Fuccck the Giants. Like even fans of other teams are saying the Giants are on some BS. Twitter is flooded with this sentiment by NFL fans in general not just Giants fans.
Makes all the sense in the world that a New York Team was the LAST team to starta Black QB.
The fucccking Jets done drafted black QBs. Done Hired Black Coaches and here we are with Giants never doing it in they history.
Literally all 32 teams passed on the kid. I'm not sure why ppl think that the Giants are supposed to guarantee a draft slot for any player because they did their due diligence on him. Did you think that he was going to get drafted by us because of that last interview/workout? That's really naive if so.
Not everything is a conspiracy and the notion that this is racial when the team tried for two straight years two trade up to draft Black QBs doesn't add up. Daboll and Schoen are incompetent but that doesn't equate to racism. You think they would have passed on Daniels or Ward if WAS and TEN agreed to trading down? I don't.
I don't even wanna defend these guys but there was never a guarantee that Sanders was gonna be a Giant. You may wanna ask why other teams who needed QBs also passed. That's what stands out to me the most. No one else wanted him either. Why?
Regarding Twitter, meh. The Giants were under no obligation to draft anyone. People fall in the draft every year so I'm not sure what makes Shedeur any different.
2010 wrote:I don’t know enough about Dart to have an opinion.
But I did take view this. No idea how accurate it is, though.
GONYK wrote:DOT wrote:I really don't want Shedeur to go to the Browns at the top of the 2nd
Just cause the further he falls, the better chance he has to go to a team that doesn't need a QB right away that can let him sit for a bit. Like, the Rams would be ideal, or lowkey the Raiders or Seahawks
Also I just think the Browns are a garbage fire of a franchise (I know, glass houses and stones), and if they drafted any QB especially with the expectation of him starting this year, I don't think he would make it.
The insiders are saying Browns are trying to move off of 33.
It seems they have made the decision to go for QB next draft.
TerrenceClarke wrote:2010 wrote:I don’t know enough about Dart to have an opinion.
But I did take view this. No idea how accurate it is, though.
Sounds like what Daboll said about Jones when the gave him 140 milli
TerrenceClarke wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:TerrenceClarke wrote:
Nobody had first round grade on Jalen Hurt based on where he was picked so what does that really mean. And plenty of scouts had a first round grade on him, it was not some unanimous choice.
Also pick 25 and pick 34. Whats the difference? nothing in terms of who they could pick this year.
This is the same NFL that allowed Lamar Jackson to slip. If it was not for a Black GM in Baltimore we could be talking about him as a second round pick.
Its all BS.
You do realize that alot of those reports can be a smear campaign right? I would not assume just because its a report that its accurate.
The Giants did the same schit with Flores. EXTREME INTEREST only to walk away at the end. I look at patterns here.
what did SS do to the Giants ? Nothing. They KEPT Scouting him KEPT talking to him. so I dont want to hear about face to face interviews with them when they had like 50 of them already.
People can argue SS at 3. But passing on him at 25 is just BS. There is no way around it to me. Fuccck the Giants. Like even fans of other teams are saying the Giants are on some BS. Twitter is flooded with this sentiment by NFL fans in general not just Giants fans.
Makes all the sense in the world that a New York Team was the LAST team to starta Black QB.
The fucccking Jets done drafted black QBs. Done Hired Black Coaches and here we are with Giants never doing it in they history.
Literally all 32 teams passed on the kid. I'm not sure why ppl think that the Giants are supposed to guarantee a draft slot for any player because they did their due diligence on him. Did you think that he was going to get drafted by us because of that last interview/workout? That's really naive if so.
Not everything is a conspiracy and the notion that this is racial when the team tried for two straight years two trade up to draft Black QBs doesn't add up. Daboll and Schoen are incompetent but that doesn't equate to racism. You think they would have passed on Daniels or Ward if WAS and TEN agreed to trading down? I don't.
I don't even wanna defend these guys but there was never a guarantee that Sanders was gonna be a Giant. You may wanna ask why other teams who needed QBs also passed. That's what stands out to me the most. No one else wanted him either. Why?
Regarding Twitter, meh. The Giants were under no obligation to draft anyone. People fall in the draft every year so I'm not sure what makes Shedeur any different.
Bruh please stop quoting me cause at this point you are defending them.
I said what I said. I stand on it.
nor am I defending them when I have said multiple times that I would have preferred to not trade up for Dart. GONYK wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:I would be surprised if Daboll is still here next year so we really shouldn't draft based on what he may prefer
This is the issue I have with the move.
If you're gonna fire the guy anyway, why did we just burn two good picks for Dart?
Frankly I would have not traded back in if they weren't sold on Sanders and drafted line depth. We will be picking top 10 next year. Why force it now?
I blame Mara tbh. You don't put lame ducks in this position. He should have fired them.
Perhaps they aren't as lame as everyone thinks.
They had 3 mandates when they were brought back, straight from Mara's mouth:
1. Get competent QB play
2. Improve the defense
3. Find the QB of the future.
They have done all 3. Mara never attached a win total or playoff expectation to anything.
MrDollarBills wrote:TerrenceClarke wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:
Literally all 32 teams passed on the kid. I'm not sure why ppl think that the Giants are supposed to guarantee a draft slot for any player because they did their due diligence on him. Did you think that he was going to get drafted by us because of that last interview/workout? That's really naive if so.
Not everything is a conspiracy and the notion that this is racial when the team tried for two straight years two trade up to draft Black QBs doesn't add up. Daboll and Schoen are incompetent but that doesn't equate to racism. You think they would have passed on Daniels or Ward if WAS and TEN agreed to trading down? I don't.
I don't even wanna defend these guys but there was never a guarantee that Sanders was gonna be a Giant. You may wanna ask why other teams who needed QBs also passed. That's what stands out to me the most. No one else wanted him either. Why?
Regarding Twitter, meh. The Giants were under no obligation to draft anyone. People fall in the draft every year so I'm not sure what makes Shedeur any different.
Bruh please stop quoting me cause at this point you are defending them.
I said what I said. I stand on it.
Huh? Come on now bro don't be like that. It's not that serious
How come Pittsburgh who needs a QB and doesn't have a 2nd round pick passed on Sanders? Is Mike Tomlin racist too???? Do you see how absurd this is sounding? Everyone took a hard pass on Shedeur.
Take the emotion out of this. There's a reason why Shedeur dropped like this and none of us truly know.
GONYK wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:I would be surprised if Daboll is still here next year so we really shouldn't draft based on what he may prefer
You can say that about all of the decision makers. If they are here, they have to make decisions. Who else is supposed to make them?
2010 wrote:TerrenceClarke wrote:2010 wrote:I don’t know enough about Dart to have an opinion.
But I did take view this. No idea how accurate it is, though.
Sounds like what Daboll said about Jones when the gave him 140 milli
Yeah, for the sake of my support for the Giants I’m hopeful. But at the same time I don’t have any confidence in Schoen or Daboll.
I would’ve been feeling on top of the world right now to come away with AC and SS.
It is what it is…
One thing is for sure, if they’re wrong and SS becomes a player and Dart doesn’t pan out, Schoen & Daboll’s career and reputations will take a huge hit.