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HarthorneWingo wrote:Putin is calling the shots from Moscow
Pointgod wrote:Okay I’m tired of you sad sacks screaming about how Trump is going to steal the election. You tried the same thing before the election saying that Trump would stop the count when he’s ahead and myself and other posters calmly explained to you why that wasn’t possible based on logic and the law.
Now you’re claiming he’s going to somehow throw out votes that have already been counted and were 100% legitimately casted. Please walk me through a step by step of how this will happen. We will see 270+ votes certified by each state in the coming weeks and in December the electors will meet and vote for Joe Biden. It’s over for Trump, he’s lost, he’s a loser and if he was as confident as he tweets he wouldn’t have been hiding in his bunker over the past 5 days.
You know what the Republicans care more about that sucking Trump’s dick? Winning two seats in the Georgia runoff in January. They want you to be distracted and keep your eye off what’s really important. If anyone is that concerned they should be volunteering to help register and get out voters in Georgia for the special election.
Clyde_Style wrote:KnicksGod wrote:Eh yes and no and maybe. You’re assuming that the system has all these safeguards, but it still depends on goodwill. The safeguards are there kind of more as a last resort.
Watch what the GOP are saying. Are they backing up a fact-free denial of votes? Yes. All of them. That’s more of an issue than the viability of T’s lawsuits.
Do you think the GOP is not capable of going from what they’re saying NOW to ‘This election was stolen from Donald Trump.’
They’re right there. Maybe they don’t cross the line but you can’t rely on their goodwill or reasoning.
This is the same group that sat a justice who obviously committed perjury to Congress. How did the system do there?
To me their lies and their lack of concession is pretty dangerous. Do you think the 3dR woke up one day and telegraphed that they were about to cross the border into Poland, asked for support from their people first, or gave the process a chance to catch up?
That’s not how it works.
Goodwill Schmoodwill
I said the Dems lawyers are mowing down the GOP's lawyers like bowling pins
THAT'S HOW IT WORKS
(but thanks for the civics lesson)
KnicksGod wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:KnicksGod wrote:Eh yes and no and maybe. You’re assuming that the system has all these safeguards, but it still depends on goodwill. The safeguards are there kind of more as a last resort.
Watch what the GOP are saying. Are they backing up a fact-free denial of votes? Yes. All of them. That’s more of an issue than the viability of T’s lawsuits.
Do you think the GOP is not capable of going from what they’re saying NOW to ‘This election was stolen from Donald Trump.’
They’re right there. Maybe they don’t cross the line but you can’t rely on their goodwill or reasoning.
This is the same group that sat a justice who obviously committed perjury to Congress. How did the system do there?
To me their lies and their lack of concession is pretty dangerous. Do you think the 3dR woke up one day and telegraphed that they were about to cross the border into Poland, asked for support from their people first, or gave the process a chance to catch up?
That’s not how it works.
Goodwill Schmoodwill
I said the Dems lawyers are mowing down the GOP's lawyers like bowling pins
THAT'S HOW IT WORKS
(but thanks for the civics lesson
I disagree. You're in essence saying that every election could go like this, with one party denying reality, and that it wouldn't matter. What happens once and is not okay, and is legally dealt with, can't happen all the time and be okay. If there were 20x the number of murders in a given year, you'd feel the effect, even if all of them were dealt with constitutionally and legally. Society depends on normalcy. The Constitution doesn't change these facts that keep societies glued together.
Clyde_Style wrote:KnicksGod wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:
Goodwill Schmoodwill
I said the Dems lawyers are mowing down the GOP's lawyers like bowling pins
THAT'S HOW IT WORKS
(but thanks for the civics lesson
I disagree. You're in essence saying that every election could go like this, with one party denying reality, and that it wouldn't matter. What happens once and is not okay, and is legally dealt with, can't happen all the time and be okay. If there were 20x the number of murders in a given year, you'd feel the effect, even if all of them were dealt with constitutionally and legally. Society depends on normalcy. The Constitution doesn't change these facts that keep societies glued together.
TBH, I no longer think you really have a point. You're just trying to be contrary for some reason I don't understand. The facts are the election results will remain secure. Carry on
Clyde_Style wrote:P.S. In fact I'm pretty much expecting Trump to commit espionage for pay on his way out the door. And the IC will nail him for it. I still expect treason charges to emerge eventually
KnicksGod wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:KnicksGod wrote:
I disagree. You're in essence saying that every election could go like this, with one party denying reality, and that it wouldn't matter. What happens once and is not okay, and is legally dealt with, can't happen all the time and be okay. If there were 20x the number of murders in a given year, you'd feel the effect, even if all of them were dealt with constitutionally and legally. Society depends on normalcy. The Constitution doesn't change these facts that keep societies glued together.
TBH, I no longer think you really have a point. You're just trying to be contrary for some reason I don't understand. The facts are the election results will remain secure. Carry on
No I'm saying that civics is great and important and essential, but that a lack of goodwill can wreck it.
I think that's a simple point. Now whether showing restraint or showing aggressive pushback is the better non-civics way to address a lack of goodwill, I admit is an open question. That doesn't really address the reality that you need people to show goodwill, want to be part of the same country, and abide by laws before the lawyers ever walk into court.
I'm saying that Proud Boys, PizzaGate, Republicans afraid of Trump. None of these things are illegal are they? No. None of these things by themselves are sufficient to overturn the results. Agreed. But none of them have anything to do with civics. And I think they're all quite important. You say they're not or they don't matter. I disagree. But it doesn't mean that I think Trump will stay in office or that Democrats can solve this by themselves.
I tend to believe you push back. I mean, that's what Biden did in an artful way.
KnicksGod wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:P.S. In fact I'm pretty much expecting Trump to commit espionage for pay on his way out the door. And the IC will nail him for it. I still expect treason charges to emerge eventually
Well but not to belabor the point but why let Trump commit espionage without a fight? Wouldn't the espionage be costly, wouldn't his prosecution be unwelcome for Biden (considering T does hold 38% of people's minds at present)? It's not guaranteed that you can stop Trump from being Trump, but a stitch in time saves 9.
Nothing personal but I'm not satisfied with the "Trump can be prosecuted for espionage" line of thinking. It seems fraught with consequences for the country.
Jethrobodine123 wrote:The turnover at the Pentagon really is alarming, if you guys aren't worried about what's going on, you should be. This has been a slow moving coup by the Republicans for decades, it could be picking up steam very very quickly. It's really disconcerting to be watching as this mentally ill individual, who now has the head of the justice system, a good chunk of the Pentagon, along with practically the whole Republican party, going along with his every whim/delusion and you have yourself the making of a very very serious situation. I'm not the type of person that screams bloody murder for no good reason. I don't like what I see, these upcoming 72 days are going to be very scary.
Jethrobodine123 wrote:The turnover at the Pentagon really is alarming, if you guys aren't worried about what's going on, you should be. This has been a slow moving coup by the Republicans for decades, it could be picking up steam very very quickly. It's really disconcerting to be watching as this mentally ill individual, who now has the head of the justice system, a good chunk of the Pentagon, along with practically the whole Republican party, going along with his every whim/delusion and you have yourself the making of a very very serious situation. I'm not the type of person that screams bloody murder for no good reason. I don't like what I see, these upcoming 72 days are going to be very scary.
KnicksGod wrote:Jethrobodine123 wrote:The turnover at the Pentagon really is alarming, if you guys aren't worried about what's going on, you should be. This has been a slow moving coup by the Republicans for decades, it could be picking up steam very very quickly. It's really disconcerting to be watching as this mentally ill individual, who now has the head of the justice system, a good chunk of the Pentagon, along with practically the whole Republican party, going along with his every whim/delusion and you have yourself the making of a very very serious situation. I'm not the type of person that screams bloody murder for no good reason. I don't like what I see, these upcoming 72 days are going to be very scary.
The whole thing is scary. He feels he’s entitled to the WH. He’s a hostage taker plain and simple.
