T-Pain won't re-sign with Knicks if 2 Max FA's don't come!

[duetta]

I wonder how much additional we gave up in order to acquire his 'talent' (as opposed to just a generic expiring contract)? And S-Rod?

[knicks742]

I wonder how much additional we gave up in order to acquire his 'talent' (as opposed to just a generic expiring contract)? And S-Rod?

Kos made a good point while the trade was still being negotiated. The parameters of the deal were made public and not one other team apparently called Walsh to offer a more beneficial deal for a less worthy expiring. It was clear through the process that Walsh didn't want to give up all of that so any other team could have come in and gotten a deal done. Based on what we saw, it looks to me like the Rockets were our only willing partner for clearing more cap room.

[EchelonNYK]

He won't be here either.

[Bill Bradley]

I wonder how much additional we gave up in order to acquire his 'talent' (as opposed to just a generic expiring contract)? And S-Rod?

Kos made a good point while the trade was still being negotiated. The parameters of the deal were made public and not one other team apparently called Walsh to offer a more beneficial deal for a less worthy expiring. It was clear through the process that Walsh didn't want to give up all of that so any other team could have come in and gotten a deal done. Based on what we saw, it looks to me like the Rockets were our only willing partner for clearing more cap room.

But how do you know that no other team offered an expiring contract and asked for less in return (e.g., picks)? For all we know, we paid a premium because they really wanted McGrady.

[EchelonNYK]

Aww, T-Mac we hardly knew ya....

[Bill Bradley]

...or what I think an even more likely scenario is that Walsh put all of his eggs in the McGrady basket, and then basically ran out of time to pursue something with another team when Morey was trying to rape him.

[Big C]

I wonder how much additional we gave up in order to acquire his 'talent' (as opposed to just a generic expiring contract)? And S-Rod?

Kos made a good point while the trade was still being negotiated. The parameters of the deal were made public and not one other team apparently called Walsh to offer a more beneficial deal for a less worthy expiring. It was clear through the process that Walsh didn't want to give up all of that so any other team could have come in and gotten a deal done. Based on what we saw, it looks to me like the Rockets were our only willing partner for clearing more cap room.

But how do you know that no other team offered an expiring contract and asked for less in return (e.g., picks)? For all we know, we paid a premium because they really wanted McGrady.

This is what I was thinking. The Knicks wanted a big name. They really believed McGrady would be able to play. Remember those reports about T-Mac looking good and ready to play? To a degree the Knicks plan did work. McGrady did get fans to talk about the Knicks again.

[gavran]

Ironic, since if we do get 2 MAX FA's, then McGrade F will be kicked out of town quickly.

[orangeblobman]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1000396

[hatnlvr]

Not for nothing but McGrady is going to take time to fully heal and get back to 100% on that knee. He will be better next year than he is this year and it is still a long shot for us to sign 2 Max FA's. TMac could definitely help but looking at where he is now it would be foolish for anyone to try to evaluate him so close after the micro fracture surgery.

Anyway you look at it he is just another player that D'Antoni found a way to piss off and alienate. His supporters can make all the excuses in the world but publicly trying to humiliate and degrade your players is just plain out stupid! and everyone in the league is watching.

[orangeblobman]

Oh so it's Coach Mike's fault? That's asshattery. It's T-Mac being a spoiled pussy.

ANOTHER PLAYER COACH Mike alienated? LIKE NATE ROBINSON? Who is catching DNPs and putting up a whopping 6 points per game??

GTHO!!!!!

[knicks742]

Alright, I'm done giffing for the night.

is it wrong that I lol at this?

[tidho]

While he might be right, TMac may be slightly disgruntled at the moment and he doesn't have any inside infomation. This shouldn't be treated as if he said LeBron would be coming or something - its meaningless.

[orangeblobman]

Alright, I'm done giffing for the night.

is it wrong that I lol at this?

No, but we must keep the little girl in our prayers.

[GnarlesOakley]

I have no hard feelings with T-Pain because he's irrelevant. He's always been just another expiring contract regardless of what the kool aid drinkers thought, and at least he's less of a disruptive bum than Larry Hughes.

I don't see McGrady making the adjustment to role player easily because he has no heart, he's on bad terms with every team he has left because he's a selfish player and had the wrong mentality even when he was an unreal talent, now that his athleticism is gone I don't know what he is. I have no problem with him using this team to showcase himself, it's kind of sad how hard he's trying in hopes that some contender lets him ride the bench to a ring, but as long as he doesn't start badmouthing is teammates and screw up our summer plans, good luck to him with that.

[duetta]

But how do you know that no other team offered an expiring contract and asked for less in return (e.g., picks)? For all we know, we paid a premium because they really wanted McGrady.

Yep. That's what we don't know. Me, I would have let the deal die - and take my chances in July, knowing that going forward the Knicks were nonetheless in an ideal position to succeed long-term whether Lebron signed on with us or not, especially with a coach willing to play a defensive big man.

The wild card, of course, is Dolan - and for all we know, the losing may have gotten to Jimmy.

[knicks742]

But how do you know that no other team offered an expiring contract and asked for less in return (e.g., picks)? For all we know, we paid a premium because they really wanted McGrady.

Yep. That's what we don't know. Me, I would have let the deal die - and take my chances in July, knowing that going forward the Knicks were nonetheless in an ideal position to succeed long-term whether Lebron signed on with us or not, especially with a coach willing to play a defensive big man.

The wild card, of course, is Dolan - and for all we know, the losing may have gotten to Jimmy.

I don't think Walsh is someone that gets so fixated on getting a certain player that he is willing to pay whatever price to get the deal done. He is already stated that he didn't want to give up Hill so I am confident that if he found a better deal, he would have pulled that deal instead of this one.

Same thing happened in the Zach trade. After the specifics of the deal came out, we had an extra day because of the Mobley situation and no other better offers came through or it is very likely he would have jumped on it.

[duetta]

I don't think Walsh is someone that gets so fixated on getting a certain player that he is willing to pay whatever price to get the deal done. He is already stated that he didn't want to give up Hill so I am confident that if he found a better deal, he would have pulled that deal instead of this one.

Same thing happened in the Zach trade. After the specifics of the deal came out, we had an extra day because of the Mobley situation and no other better offers came through or it is very likely he would have jumped on it.

I think Walsh was fixated on his plan - which in my mind only works if Lebron comes here free and clear. I just can't see Bosh, for instance, coming here as a first FA without a sign & trade. And we no longer have assets we can afford to surrender in a sign & trade. If he wants to do an Isiah, and take on salary in exchange for assets - sure...but I'd rather have control of my draft choices, just in case next season turns out like the last two.

[knicks742]

I don't think Walsh is someone that gets so fixated on getting a certain player that he is willing to pay whatever price to get the deal done. He is already stated that he didn't want to give up Hill so I am confident that if he found a better deal, he would have pulled that deal instead of this one.

Same thing happened in the Zach trade. After the specifics of the deal came out, we had an extra day because of the Mobley situation and no other better offers came through or it is very likely he would have jumped on it.

I think Walsh was fixated on his plan - which in my mind only works if Lebron comes here free and clear. I just can't see Bosh, for instance, coming here as a first FA without a sign & trade. And we no longer have assets we can afford to surrender in a sign & trade. If he wants to do an Isiah, and take on salary in exchange for assets - sure...but I'd rather have control of my draft choices, just in case next season turns out like the last two.

He is admitted he was focused on 2010 when he made this deal but that's not the point. You asked the question of how much extra we paid to get TMac and Sergio and I am saying that, based on his history, if he had deal 1 that cost him Hill and a pick and deal 2 which was the TMac deal, he would most likely go for the lower cost because the most important value for him was not TMac but his expiring contract. There is no indication that anyone else even tried to offer us a better deal, which one would assume that one of our crack reporters would have heard about or at least speculated about. I am convinced that this was the only deal available to us to clear more cap room and, although admittedly risky, I feel that it was the right move to make.

[duetta]

I am convinced that this was the only deal available to us to clear more cap room and, although admittedly risky, I feel that it was the right move to make.

Well, let's just hope it turn out like investors buying tech stocks at their top in 2000. Sometimes you just have to walk away - and wait to trade another day.