Do you still think Jennings would be good in NYC

[Deeeez Knicks]

Hill looks like a bad pick right now especially since we traded him, but we redeemed ourselves this offseason by picking up some nice young players so you really can't complain too much about it.

Jennings has skills, but I would be worried where his head is at.

[Throoow FlameZ]

No go on Jennings he has some skill but overall he's nor a good fit he's just a combo guard who scores alot on a high volume of shots

[Scorpion King]

If Knicks are given do over they will not select Jennings. J

Jennings have starbury written all over. He needs a disciplinarian coach like skiles to keep him in check or he would run wild

[Paladin55]

Did you watch Jennings play? He may not be a true point guard, but he can facilitate. At his age, he has a decent stroke that will only develop. Not to mention he's quick. How does that not fit with D'Antoni's offense? Hill was not an insurance pick. You do not take "insurance" in the Top 10 of the lottery

Do you honestly, think D'Antoni wouldn't take Brandon Jennings if he could do it over again?

I've watched Jennings play plenty. He still doesn't really do it for me at the PG spot.

I don't know what Mike or Donnie would do a second time around, but the real question is would D'Antoni take Jennings over Felton

Holiday is the guy we should have taken, and it continues to amaze me how folks don't see his potential as a future star. People are caught up with Jennings' flash, but Holiday will be the better all-around player in 2-3 years.

[moocow007]

I think the redo would have been to make a bigger push to trade up and get Peter Pan.

Staying put? Yeah I do think that Holiday would be a safer pick still over Jennings long term for this team. I do believe that Holiday will become a top notch point (was amazed with how good he looked physically coming into SL play...a sign that the kid was willing to do what it takes to do well in the NBA)

Hill may develop but the deer in the headlights style of pacifistic play was just not good for a guy that would likely have to get by with his size and ahtleticism. Was definitely the wrong pick.

I would have taken Jennings over Hill if it was just a choice between the two....just really did not like what I saw from Hill at all.

[old skool]

Jennings is not on track to be a superstar, but he could become a very special player.

In his rookie season, Jennings outperformed Steve Nash. Nash was 24 before he became a starter with Dallas. Last year Jennings averaged more points, assists and rebounds than Nash did in his first season as a starter. Jennings also shot a higher FG% than Nash did that year.

As for a comparison to Felton, Jennings shot .02 FG% lower than Felton did his rookie season, while shooting .016 3FG% better, averaging more points, assists and rebounds per game. I see nothing to indicate that Felton, a 26-year old career .410 FG% shooter, is a better player than Jennings.

What impressed me about Jennings was not his stats or a few high scoring games, but the way that he took over so many games when it mattered most. He showed the intensity to turn games around single-handedly, making key plays on both ends of the floor. No one who watches him play discounts his potential to be a very special player. The kid is not yet 21 years old.

oLd sKool

[Capn'O]

And you agree with Jordan Hill being a better fit? Not seeing a real point there.

Jordan Hill was insurance for David Lee. I thought he could develop with time, but he did play like a deer in headlights. Skill wise, being an athletic big with a jumper, yes, he could have been a good fit.

D'Antoni supported that over a player who is not a real PG.

This was my take on it as well. Walsh didn't know at that point in the summer whether Lee would be enticed by another offer over the 1 year deal he was willing to offer. By drafting Hill it made Lee's resigning less of a must. This drafting allowed him to negotiate with Lee on HIS terms, not Lee's.

Also, Jennings seems like a guy whose attitude can be held in check but without a culture of winning and professionalism in NYC yet established he may have tended towards his more unruly side. It was a risk Walsh chose not to take and something we'll never really know the answer to... but I now think he would have been ok here. He is not entirely as crazy as Marbury. As Walsh said himself, the information he got on Jennings was not particularly good...

Ultimately, a mistake... but when all factors are taken into account such as

- being able to negotiate with Lee
- moving Hill's contract for the second max slot
- moving Lee for the package we got
- signing Mosgov
- signing Felton

the gain may ultimately weigh out the loss.

That's poker... developing a strategy that wins over time rather than one that hits the jackpot once and flames out.

[ComboGuardCity]

I think we can agree, the moves for the second max slot have been everything short of a failure. It all depends on Melo/2011.

[richardhutnik]

As much as I love his game. The tweets, the comments, the weird dancing. I just don't think would have been a good match. I think his mouth would have simply gotten him in too much trouble. Its cute in Milwaukee. But wouldn't go over well in NYC!

Jennings with his tweets caused himself to drop to 10. This got translated in the court of public opinion as the Knicks, and ONLY the Knicks, made a HORRIBLE mistake passing on him. As I see it, he is in the Jamal Crawford as far as his game goes. As it is now, he very likely would of been loaded up and shipped to Houston to get the cap space cleared to do what Walsh did. If not, the Knicks may of not been able to do the deal.

I would rather ride with Felton, and have Douglas, than gone with Jennings.

- Rich

[Capn'O]

I think the redo would have been to make a bigger push to trade up and get Peter Pan.

win

[Capn'O]

I think we can agree, the moves for the second max slot have been everything short of a failure. It all depends on Melo/2011.

So you think they were a failure? That combination of words doesn't mean anything.

Also, do you not realize that the 2nd max moves were the reason we were able to

A) sign and trade Lee and
B) get such value out of the Lee trade (iirc a TPE from us was involved... we took back much less salary)?

Our second max slot essentially turned into

Randolph
Turiaf
Azubuike
Felton
Mosgov
Resigning Bill Walker

I have a difficult time calling that a failure by any stretch.

[pointg]

S. Curry > B. Jennings
R. Felton > B. Jennings

Look at the Bucks roster last year. They have players other than Jennings who deserve credit for their playoff birth. I think Jennings is good but I also think that he shoots toooo much and he dribbles tooo much. He does have skill and potential though.

[god shammgod]

even if you don't like him it's obvious we should have taken him. his value was and is way higher then jordan hill. he'd at the very least make trading for melo or someone else a whole lot easier.

[GONYK]

I think we can agree, the moves for the second max slot have been everything short of a failure. It all depends on Melo/2011.

No, we can't agree. I'm still waiting for your answer on why Jennings is a superstar but Monta Ellis isn't.

[K_ick_God]

even if you don't like him it's obvious we should have taken him. his value was and is way higher then jordan hill. he'd at the very least make trading for melo or someone else a whole lot easier.

I'm not sure I agree with you at all. In NY, he'd be a 38% shooting point guard who is selfish and inefficient. In Milwaukee, he's a budding superstar. In NY, he'd be disappointing, made fun of, considered a chucker, etc.

[RutgersBJJ]

I actually think if we could redo the draft we would draft Casspi assuming the slots in front of us went the same. I've never seen a more overhyped player than Brandon Jennings off of a below-average rookie season.

[god shammgod]

even if you don't like him it's obvious we should have taken him. his value was and is way higher then jordan hill. he'd at the very least make trading for melo or someone else a whole lot easier.

I'm not sure I agree with you at all. In NY, he'd be a 38% shooting point guard who is selfish and inefficient. In Milwaukee, he's a budding superstar. In NY, he'd be disappointing, made fun of, considered a chucker, etc.

well no matter what you think he'd be looked as here, he'd still have more value the jordan hill who's value was so low that although we gave him away just for a team to pay jared jeffries's mle salary for one year we still had to include a first round pick and the right to swap another.

[dk7th]

S. Curry > B. Jennings
R. Felton > B. Jennings

Look at the Bucks roster last year. They have players other than Jennings who deserve credit for their playoff birth. I think Jennings is good but I also think that he shoots toooo much and he dribbles tooo much. He does have skill and potential though.

he needs to be completely broken down and built up again properly if he wants long-term success in this league. he has deeply-ingrained bad habits that are very hard to undo. with his attitude that will be impossible. right now he is basically a repeat of past failures in this league-- marbury, francis, crawford, baron davis, robinson, etc. etc. i predict he will be traded within 2 years and then continuously traded throughout his time in the nba.

[god shammgod]

I actually think if we could redo the draft we would draft Casspi assuming the slots in front of us went the same. I've never seen a more overhyped player than Brandon Jennings off of a below-average rookie season.

he wasn't on the radar to be that high a pick though. the knicks make a decision to take hill instead of jennings. i'm sure they considered both players and they chose wrong. there's no discussion here to be honest. you (not specifically you rutgersBJJ) might not care for him as a player but anyone saying otherwise is completely ignoring reality. he's a better pick. can someone really deny this ?

[ORANGEandBLUE]

I think we can agree, the moves for the second max slot have been everything short of a failure. It all depends on Melo/2011.

So you think they were a failure? That combination of words doesn't mean anything.

Also, do you not realize that the 2nd max moves were the reason we were able to

A) sign and trade Lee and
B) get such value out of the Lee trade (iirc a TPE from us was involved... we took back much less salary)?

Our second max slot essentially turned into

Randolph
Turiaf
Azubuike
Felton
Mosgov
Resigning Bill Walker

I have a difficult time calling that a failure by any stretch.

The problem is that you're assuming Hill was necessary to dump Jefferies. When you look at the Hinrich deal, this is 100% wrong in hindsight, and even in foresight, arguably a panic move by Donnie. If we had say, Lawson instead of Hill, the Rockets may have realized that he'd be too valuable for us to throw in, and settled for the two picks. Now, since we would have kept our 09 pick (e.g. Lawson), we would have had $3m less in cap space this summer. That could mean no Mosgov (although arguably Mosgov is a better prospect than Lawson. Or maybe we could have dumped Douglas (Lawson > Douglas), or we could have passed on Felton and just went forward with Lawson and TD at the point (Lawson + $4m >>> Felton).

And the really painful part about the 09 draft is that I've heard commentators say that we lost out on Curry because we hyped him up to the point that GS could feel comfortable taking him without too much media backlash. I don't know the facts too well, but Curry could have swung the Lebron race in our favor, sooo....

Yeah, 09 draft was a fail.