2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread (Lottery Tonight!)

[can o peas]

I brought up AR because they have similar frames. If AR could only, allegedly, put on 25 lbs, I wouldn't expect Lucas to put on any more (if that). Lucas also reportedly has a poor attitude/work ethic...if that is true, I don't want him anywhere near the team.

Biyombo is the clear cut choice between the two and, right now, is one of the top players that I would aim for (if I were DW).

Lucas is skinny but 20 lbs is a big difference between the two (218 compared to 197). AR put on 25 lbs. and is still skinny but if Lucas put on 25 lbs. he'd be pretty much the average weight for a center, around 245 lbs.

Bitchsmack Biyombo definitely looks interesting and could possibly play center like Elton Brand does (another 6'8 player with huge wingspan and reach). Still, height does count for something and I would probably take a chance on Lucas gaining 20 lbs. than Biyombo gaining 2 inches of height. Wouldn't be mad though- would like to see their verts however etc. People are comparing him to Ibaka but a lot of Ibaka's appeal was his 44" vertical (or whatever it was).

[NBA Fan 1234]

I may be in the minority here, but after seeing a lot of 6'11 thin guys enter the draft and not pan out, I'd much rather take someone who, worst case scenario, is going to be a terror on the defensive side of the ball and rebound well (I know, I know...D'Antoni doesn't play D...blah blah blah).

Is it easier to put on 20 lbs of muscle than it is to grow two inches? Obviously because people can't control their own height...but couple the fact that Lucas needs to add at least 20 lbs with his poor attitude, and you have a recipe for disaster. Remember, Biyombo is only 18 years old (which is weird because I'm not even a year older than him). How often do you see someone 6'9, 243 lbs, 9'3 standing reach, 7'7 wingspan, and 4.3% bodyfat? Apparently he has a great work ethic also...

If Lucas has a good work ethic and if the scouts think that his frame is wide enough to add weight on without reducing his athleticism (by a lot...although hopefully, not at all), then by all means, we should draft him. His reported poor work ethic/attitude instantly turns me away from this guy...

As for the Ibaka comparison, it really just comes down to his vert testing (not sure if it's going to be released...can't find anything on it...not even an estimate online). Take a look at this though...pretty interesting.



If we don't get either (preferably Bismack IMO), I still think we should go after Kevin Seraphin.

[mjhp911]

Just about everyone played like **** last night, but i still enjoyed it. I've had a soft spot for the huskies ever since that rip hamilton kahlid el amin days so I'm glad they won.

Ugh, it's like the worst hoops game I've ever seen in my life... I really want to get those 2 hours back...

[Manhattan Project]

I also love how Biyombo appears on one mock draft site and all of a sudden fans from every team not covet him, truly amazing. Biyombo will come in raw as hell though, were talking a big learning curve. The reason I compared him to Ibaka is because they do look similar, however a lot of people forget how sucky/raw Ibaka was at first. He and the coaching staff have done a wonderful job.

Are we at the point where we want project players or someone who can contribute right away like a Morris Brother or Faried?

[hobojoe2131]

Ibaka wasn't that raw. 6 and 6 and a block in 18 minutes as a rookie is nothing to scoff at. Also keep in mind who are centers are now. It won't take much to upgrade the position.

[Manhattan Project]

Ibaka wasn't that raw. 6 and 6 and a block in 18 minutes as a rookie is nothing to scoff at. Also keep in mind who are centers are now. It won't take much to upgrade the position.

I chalk to that up to how amazing athletic and aggressive he was playing. Ibaka wasn't happy just making it into the league, he truly wanted to get better. Also keep in mind he stayed overseas for a year before making his debut.

[moocow007]

Ibaka = Beast

[hobojoe2131]

Ibaka wasn't that raw. 6 and 6 and a block in 18 minutes as a rookie is nothing to scoff at. Also keep in mind who are centers are now. It won't take much to upgrade the position.

I chalk to that up to how amazing athletic and aggressive he was playing. Ibaka wasn't happy just making it into the league, he truly wanted to get better. Also keep in mind he stayed overseas for a year before making his debut.

By all accounts this guy is as athletic, aggressive and has a great work ethic. He also put up better numbers in this past year than Ibaka did in his final year overseas. I think this guy is going to be good. But then again, I'm not really basing that off of much. But I have yet to hear a negative about this guy.

[TrueWarrior]

From watching tape I dont think Bizmarkie is as athletic as Serge was. Im not saying Biz iz a stiff by any means, but Serge was being compared to Kemp with his 40+ inch vertical. I mean did you watch the dunk contest? Dude can jump. Not sure if Biz has those kind of hops and the way he moves doesnt scream "athletic freak" to me. Hes def very athletic though. His length is scary no matter what, and his strength seems off the charts. Hes a banger for sure. Cant wait to see him at the Hoops summit.

I still might have Lucas Bebe a little higher on my list though. Its very close. I think the poor worth ethic stuff is way overblown. Supposedly he was just feeling himself a little too much when the hype started to happen, but by all accounts Ive read hes a great teammate and works hard. The guy dominated the USAu18 team, and the whole tournament last summer. Lucas has a good motor and I think he def has the frame to add some more meat to his bones. Did I mention his hair?

Either way Im just having a hard time seeing us take one of these guys. 18 years old, foreign project types. Even if they have the highest upside and might become great players soon, I really think we will end up going with a more proven NBA ready player like one of the Morris twins or Harper, especially if Dantoni is still here.

[FutureKnicksGM]

Bismack seems in to be in the mold of Ibaka and Seraphin. Those measurements are definitely impressive. I would take him at our pick. Get another late first and draft Lucas and we have our future frontcourt . Which of course won't happen.

Ibaka = Beast

Yes Sir

Anyway, do you guys know where I can watch the hoop summit online?

[moocow007]

Bismack seems in to be in the mold of Ibaka and Seraphin. Those measurements are definitely impressive. I would take him at our pick. Get another late first and draft Lucas and we have our future frontcourt . Which of course won't happen.

Ibaka = Beast

Yes Sir

Anyway, do you guys know where I can watch the hoop summit online?

According to sources the game will be broadcast nationally by Fox Sports Net (Saturday April 9th at 7PM) and its regional affiliates (good news). Depending on which cable service you have you may be screwed (bad news). Will be interesting in that both Nogueira AND Biyombo will be playing on the World Select team.

[Knicksfan20]

I wonder what they are feeding these guys in Congo...Must be something in the water.

[AllanHoustonFan]

RealKyrieIrving Kyrie Irving
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I will be entering the 2011 NBA draft.Thank you fans out there for your support throughout the year and hopefully you stick around!thank you

[NBA Fan 1234]

RealKyrieIrving Kyrie Irving
by AlexKennedyNBA
I will be entering the 2011 NBA draft.Thank you fans out there for your support throughout the year and hopefully you stick around!thank you

No surprise there...he's, in all likelihood, going to be the first overall pick.

[Knicksfan20]

RealKyrieIrving Kyrie Irving
by AlexKennedyNBA
I will be entering the 2011 NBA draft.Thank you fans out there for your support throughout the year and hopefully you stick around!thank you

No surprise there...he's, in all likelihood, going to be the first overall pick.

I wouldnt be surprised if Enes Kanter or Perry Jones sneak ahead of him. I still think Irving will probabyl go number 1, but i wouldnt say it is a lock. There are no John Walls or Blake Griffins in this draft, so there really is no gurentee.

[Manhattan Project]

Irving - Williams
Only two players in this draft that have a chance of going number one. Perry really didn't do much at all this year, though will still go lotto. Kanter still have a great chance of being a top five pick without even playing. Jonas Valanciunas will probably take advantage of this potential lockout and end up going top five as well.

Barnes is the wildcard IMO. With Henson and Zeller returning it wouldn't shock me if he declared or returned. With his play down the stretch he pushed himself in the top five firmly. After this is really does become anyone's guess.

[moocow007]

Would you guys trade Fields and the 16th pick (or whatever it will be) to move up into the top 3-5 (assuming the other team would obviously)?

[Manhattan Project]

Would you guys trade Fields and the 16th pick (or whatever it will be) to move up into the top 3-5 (assuming the other team would obviously)?

One Jazz fan is willing to give the Nets pick up for Fields, get it done. I probably would because I really don't think Fields has much of a role on this team anymore and it's sad because everyone loves him. However if we can get a Kanter, Valanciunas, Vesely, Barnes, Williams or Irving for him you have to do it. I honestly wouldn't trade up for Perry Jones though.

[Fury]

Would you guys trade Fields and the 16th pick (or whatever it will be) to move up into the top 3-5 (assuming the other team would obviously)?

I'm not even sure. The guys that will be there are players from positions we already have filled (Barnes, Vesely, Williams). Maybe if Irving is there at 3 or something. I'm not too sure about Kanter or Valanciunas. The guy that intrigues me is Perry Jones because he has great potential.

[Manhattan Project]

Then again I also wouldn't mind trading for another mid to late round first and just selecting there. That would allow us to walk away with a guard and a big man. Walking away with Jimmer and a Morris brother [Insert any other big man] does sound nice as well while keeping Landry.