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Re: Grunwald depreciation day 

Post#21 » by kane2021 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:36 pm

You cant run a fast break after a made basket. Defense becomes offense. Maybe these guys dont run enough because the defensive intensity is not creating enough running opportunities to form good habits.
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Post#22 » by seren » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:37 pm

Here is Grunwald in the off-season:

- I must bring all ex-Nuggets no matter whether the coach will play them or not. Here Camby take this money to just sit there.

- I must bring every player that I ever liked no matter what their age is or how they fit to current squad: Here Pablo. A roster spot for you despite we already have down the hill slow as turtle guards.
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Post#23 » by GettinitDone » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:38 pm

Lin would have done wonders for us. I'm his fan for a reason, he has this knack for influencing his teammates to run and move the ball. The Rockets team without him playing iso-Harden are a sorry ass team, but when Lin plays and starts moving the ball, and sacrificing, the whole team also moves the ball.

I remember vividly when Woody took helm last year, when Melo got back from injuries, we were blowing out teams because we set the tempo offensively in the beginning of games and jumped on teams in the first quarters. In the middle of it all was Lin quarterbacking everything. Everyone had the ball. Those that didn't have the ball kept moving and kept finding ways to be open. Shump got 1-2 alley oops a game from Lin, Fields got 1-2 backdoor cut alley oops a game from Lin. Everyone had easy baskets and because the offense was so easy, they made commitment to play D. Now in contrast, the iso stuff made it hard for everyone to contribute offensively and when the offense is hard, players naturally worry about it more than defense.

I am a fan of Lin not because of Linsanity, or hoping he would average 30ppg and 15apg... but rather, again, he has uncanny knack for making his teammates move the ball, sacrifice, and focus on one thing they have in common: winning.

But apparently, Felton is "a much better fit" for this team. You can never win in multi-billion dollar industry worrying about money. Being money smart is appreciated, but should never get in the way of good judgment/ analysis of talent. And out of all teams, we are the most valuable, richest, capital city of the world and the owner of this team is worried about several millions of dollars? Damn.
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Re: Grunwald depreciation day 

Post#24 » by JDs_loot » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:38 pm

Pablo was also a bad move, White has had very little impact, and Camby and Kurt Thomas trade. It fair to say this GM sucks.
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Re: Grunwald depreciation day 

Post#25 » by GONYK » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:39 pm

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Ewing2Melo wrote:People want to blame him for Lin?!?! The guy had 2 good weeks in NY, the NY media made him out to be something he's not.. a superstar.

You can't overpay someone for having 2 good weeks than getting injured. He wanted to get paid. The Knicks actually made their first smart move in a long time.


The only thing that would be affected was Dolan's bottomline.

Just goes to show you Dolan doesn't care about winning a championship.

Cheap bast*rd...


Well, that was the most disheartening thing about letting Lin go. It wasn't losing the player as much as it made it clear where the priorities are.

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Re: Grunwald depreciation day 

Post#26 » by seren » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:39 pm

kane2021 wrote:You cant run a fast break after a made basket. Defense becomes offense. Maybe these guys dont run enough because the defensive intensity is not creating enough running opportunities to form good habits.


I am not saying wrong, but who are you going to run with?

Chandler has no reason to run since nobody is going to find him anyways.

Kidd will only go up to the three point line.

Melo doesn't care unless he has the ball on his hands. He'd rather have the team go slow and post him up inside.

That leaves you JR and Felton. Oh well...
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Re: Grunwald depreciation day 

Post#27 » by GONYK » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:41 pm

seren wrote:Here is Grunwald in the off-season:

- I must bring all ex-Nuggets no matter whether the coach will play them or not. Here Camby take this money to just sit there.

- I must bring every player that I ever liked no matter what their age is or how they fit to current squad: Here Pablo. A roster spot for you despite we already have down the hill slow as turtle guards.


To be fair, Miami was going to offer Camby a starting spot. This is more on Woodson and Camby's injuries

Pablo is a solid 3rd guard off the bench who we're only paying the minimum. Don't really have a problem with that move.
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Post#28 » by seren » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:43 pm

JDs_loot wrote:Pablo was also a bad move, White has had very little impact, and Camby and Kurt Thomas trade. It fair to say this GM sucks.


Here is what our neighor, NJ frigging Nets, got with their minimum contracts:

Blatche (has 22 PER rating at this point).

CJ Watson (third guard off the bench).

Keith Bogans (shooting 36.6 percent from three).

Ooooh. Grunwald is so creative. He turned rookie contracts in to Camby. He got a 35 year old rookie.
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Post#29 » by MaseInYourFace » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:43 pm

I wouldn't call Felton slow, he's quick and can get to hoop. He has trouble staying with guards though.
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Post#30 » by seren » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:45 pm

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seren wrote:Here is Grunwald in the off-season:

- I must bring all ex-Nuggets no matter whether the coach will play them or not. Here Camby take this money to just sit there.

- I must bring every player that I ever liked no matter what their age is or how they fit to current squad: Here Pablo. A roster spot for you despite we already have down the hill slow as turtle guards.


To be fair, Miami was going to offer Camby a starting spot. This is more on Woodson and Camby's injuries

Pablo is a solid 3rd guard off the bench who we're only paying the minimum. Don't really have a problem with that move.


I do have a problem with both moves. Pablo is a solid 3rd guard if the coach will play him and your first two guards have some athleticism. As of now, he is a deadweight on the roster.

Camby is a great backup center and even can start. How about asking your coach what his vision is? Maybe it is not a great idea to tie your assets if he is planning to go small.
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Re: Grunwald depreciation day 

Post#31 » by MaseInYourFace » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:46 pm

I wouldn't call Pablo a bad move. He was signed to be a role player and he's filled his role well. He's fine to match up against another team's bench players. He wasn't supposed to be playing big minutes.
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Post#32 » by kane2021 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:46 pm

I will say this. The lack of dribble penetration has become a glaring weakness for this team. We rely too heavily on our natural scores to create for themselves because of it. Resulting in mostly isolation and jump shots. The ball stays outside. And when guys are missing jump shots you get poor assist numbers and struggle to put points up. On the other side these missed jump shots create easier scoring opportunities.
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Post#33 » by GONYK » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:47 pm

kane2021 wrote:I will say this. The lack of dribble penetration has become a glaring weakness for this team. We rely too heavily on our natural scores to create for themselves because of it. Resulting in mostly isolation and jump shots. The ball stays outside. And when guys are missing jump shots you get poor assist numbers and struggle to put points up. On the other side these missed jump shots create easier scoring opportunities.


That's on Woodson.

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Re: Grunwald depreciation day 

Post#34 » by GONYK » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:48 pm

seren wrote:
GONYK wrote:
seren wrote:Here is Grunwald in the off-season:

- I must bring all ex-Nuggets no matter whether the coach will play them or not. Here Camby take this money to just sit there.

- I must bring every player that I ever liked no matter what their age is or how they fit to current squad: Here Pablo. A roster spot for you despite we already have down the hill slow as turtle guards.


To be fair, Miami was going to offer Camby a starting spot. This is more on Woodson and Camby's injuries

Pablo is a solid 3rd guard off the bench who we're only paying the minimum. Don't really have a problem with that move.


I do have a problem with both moves. Pablo is a solid 3rd guard if the coach will play him and your first two guards have some athleticism. As of now, he is a deadweight on the roster.

Camby is a great backup center and even can start. How about asking your coach what his vision is? Maybe it is not a great idea to tie your assets if he is planning to go small.


Sounds like a Woodson depreciation thread
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Post#35 » by MaseInYourFace » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:50 pm

kane2021 wrote:I will say this. The lack of dribble penetration has become a glaring weakness for this team. We rely too heavily on our natural scores to create for themselves because of it. Resulting in mostly isolation and jump shots. The ball stays outside. And when guys are missing jump shots you get poor assist numbers and struggle to put points up. On the other side these missed jump shots create easier scoring opportunities.


Granted he had an injury but Felton needs to step it up...
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Post#36 » by seren » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:50 pm

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seren wrote:
I do have a problem with both moves. Pablo is a solid 3rd guard if the coach will play him and your first two guards have some athleticism. As of now, he is a deadweight on the roster.

Camby is a great backup center and even can start. How about asking your coach what his vision is? Maybe it is not a great idea to tie your assets if he is planning to go small.


Sounds like a Woodson depreciation thread


Not at all. Are you telling me that Woodson told one thing to the management and did something completely different?

Remember that Woodson guaranteed Lin to be on the roster.

I don't believe this roster was assembled with Woodson's heavy input. Half of the guys they got, Woodson probably never even heard about in his whole life.

Not that I like him...
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Post#37 » by kane2021 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:52 pm

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kane2021 wrote:I will say this. The lack of dribble penetration has become a glaring weakness for this team. We rely too heavily on our natural scores to create for themselves because of it. Resulting in mostly isolation and jump shots. The ball stays outside. And when guys are missing jump shots you get poor assist numbers and struggle to put points up. On the other side these missed jump shots create easier scoring opportunities.


That's on Woodson.

Run plays

Yup. Not to diss our guys. But our key players are not exactly known for intelligent decision making. So the coach needs to run the team from the bench. This is something woodson was never good at. I thought kidd could be the guy to do this. Coach has got to take more control here.
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Post#38 » by Knicks_Fan2 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:52 pm

GettinitDone wrote:Lin would have done wonders for us. I'm his fan for a reason, he has this knack for influencing his teammates to run and move the ball. The Rockets team without him playing iso-Harden are a sorry ass team, but when Lin plays and starts moving the ball, and sacrificing, the whole team also moves the ball.

I remember vividly when Woody took helm last year, when Melo got back from injuries, we were blowing out teams because we set the tempo offensively in the beginning of games and jumped on teams in the first quarters. In the middle of it all was Lin quarterbacking everything. Everyone had the ball. Those that didn't have the ball kept moving and kept finding ways to be open. Shump got 1-2 alley oops a game from Lin, Fields got 1-2 backdoor cut alley oops a game from Lin. Everyone had easy baskets and because the offense was so easy, they made commitment to play D. Now in contrast, the iso stuff made it hard for everyone to contribute offensively and when the offense is hard, players naturally worry about it more than defense.

I am a fan of Lin not because of Linsanity, or hoping he would average 30ppg and 15apg... but rather, again, he has uncanny knack for making his teammates move the ball, sacrifice, and focus on one thing they have in common: winning.

But apparently, Felton is "a much better fit" for this team. You can never win in multi-billion dollar industry worrying about money. Being money smart is appreciated, but should never get in the way of good judgment/ analysis of talent. And out of all teams, we are the most valuable, richest, capital city of the world and the owner of this team is worried about several millions of dollars? Damn.


ahh, you were so happy to write this post. Is this all you do with your day? Troll around realgm for posts where you can potentially talk about Lin?
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Re: Grunwald depreciation day 

Post#39 » by Knicks_Fan2 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:53 pm

GONYK wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:Yup Novak was a bad signing. But it's not too much of a killer either. If you want to kill Grunwald for anything it's that he didn't leave himself a lot of space for flexibility for the next few years. He basically locked himself in for the next couple of years.


The only clear mistake I think Grunwald pulled was picking up Chauncey's contracts, then amnestying him like a week later.

That was our get out of jail free card, and we used it on a player who we didn't have to pay in the first place.

I know why he did it. We would have need Billups' contract in any potential CP3 deal. But to commit to the longshot, and then waste the amnesty after it was a bit ridiculous.


Couldn't have gotten Chandler without this, though. Calculated--maybe reckless--risk.
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Re: Grunwald depreciation day 

Post#40 » by GONYK » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:54 pm

seren wrote:
GONYK wrote:
seren wrote:
I do have a problem with both moves. Pablo is a solid 3rd guard if the coach will play him and your first two guards have some athleticism. As of now, he is a deadweight on the roster.

Camby is a great backup center and even can start. How about asking your coach what his vision is? Maybe it is not a great idea to tie your assets if he is planning to go small.


Sounds like a Woodson depreciation thread


Not at all. Are you telling me that Woodson told one thing to the management and did something completely different?

Remember that Woodson guaranteed Lin to be on the roster.

I don't believe this roster was assembled with Woodson's heavy input. Half of the guys they got, Woodson probably never even heard about in his whole life.

Not that I like him...


I get the opposite impression

I think, with the exception of possibly a few players, this is a roster Woodson wanted.

Dude loves vets he can trust

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