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Re: Kings owner proposing idea of 4 defenders & 1 cherry pic
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:30 pm
by N8isScofield
Phil should give him a call and tell him how outdated talented big men are and then offer to take the Cousins off his hands for the much more useful JR Smith.
Re: Kings owner proposing idea of 4 defenders & 1 cherry pic
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:39 pm
by jstudabaka
If teams did this with any success, the NBA would probably end up making an off-sides rule to end it.
Re: Kings owner proposing idea of 4 defenders & 1 cherry pic
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:59 pm
by moocow007
Amare Stoudemire just got very excited.
Re: Kings owner proposing idea of 4 defenders & 1 cherry pic
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:37 pm
by red32
Isn't this the Houston Rockets defensive scheme?
Re: Kings owner proposing idea of 4 defenders & 1 cherry pic
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:34 am
by nykballa2k4
red32 wrote:Isn't this the Houston Rockets defensive scheme?
It was actually the Suns scheme. Have a couple guys go for boards and as soon as the shot goes up send the wings out!
Re: Kings owner proposing idea of 4 defenders & 1 cherry pic
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:51 am
by aq_ua
It was our scheme last year, except it was have 1 guy cherry-pick on defense and have the other 4 committed to offense.
Re: Kings owner proposing idea of 4 defenders & 1 cherry pic
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:53 am
by don't panac
we should do this when Amare is on the floor.
at least the other guys would know not to count on him on defense
Re: Kings owner proposing idea of 4 defenders & 1 cherry pic
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:10 am
by DrCoach
mpharris36 wrote:Meat wrote:this is a man who came to america with 100 in his pocket at 16 and went to become a billionaire(maybe) with advanced degrees from mit and harvard. i have to assume that he came to this decision based on some sort of analytics.
Jerry Jones is a self made billionaire, it doesn't make him a smart football guy
sports and business are two different animals
Dude, can you read and comprehend?
The Sac Owner went to HARVARD and MIT
Re: Kings owner proposing idea of 4 defenders & 1 cherry pic
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:46 am
by R-DAWG
The Knicks play 0 defenders and 1 cherry picker
Re: Kings owner proposing idea of 4 defenders & 1 cherry pic
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:19 am
by thestache23
Anyone else remember ESPN showing that kid who scored 100 points in a college game?? I think that team does this.
Re: Kings owner proposing idea of 4 defenders & 1 cherry pic
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:40 am
by kane2021
It will work against these Lakers.
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Re: Kings owner proposing idea of 4 defenders & 1 cherry pic
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:16 am
by N8isScofield
DrCoach wrote:mpharris36 wrote:Meat wrote:this is a man who came to america with 100 in his pocket at 16 and went to become a billionaire(maybe) with advanced degrees from mit and harvard. i have to assume that he came to this decision based on some sort of analytics.
Jerry Jones is a self made billionaire, it doesn't make him a smart football guy
sports and business are two different animals
Dude, can you read and comprehend?
The Sac Owner went to HARVARD and MIT
What I think mpharris36 is saying is that business intelligence and sports intelligence are different things. There may very well be some overlap but ultimately one doesn't necessarily correlate to the other all the time. Just because he went to prestigious institutions and has earned a lot of money does not mean that he is a basketball savvy. Now I would also agree that I'm sure he is using some kind of analytics to come up with this claim but he might also just be eccentric. You can most certainly be highly intelligent and eccentric.
Re: Kings owner proposing idea of 4 defenders & 1 cherry pic
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:57 pm
by GYK
It is stupid. Cherry picking is loosing track of a player because you was engaged on defense.
Now you know they are running back, either play 4 on 4 or send one back when a shot goes up.
Horrible idea.
Re: Kings owner proposing idea of 4 defenders & 1 cherry pic
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:02 pm
by mpharris36
DrCoach wrote:mpharris36 wrote:Meat wrote:this is a man who came to america with 100 in his pocket at 16 and went to become a billionaire(maybe) with advanced degrees from mit and harvard. i have to assume that he came to this decision based on some sort of analytics.
Jerry Jones is a self made billionaire, it doesn't make him a smart football guy
sports and business are two different animals
Dude, can you read and comprehend?
The Sac Owner went to HARVARD and MIT
He also picked nic stauskas.
This has nothing to do with his intelligence. Just because people are business savvy doesn't mean they can run a sports franchise. Too many times it actually hurts the team because these guys try to meddle with things they just aren't good at.
He should just stay far away from basketball and let someone who knows something about basketball make his decisions.
Re: Kings owner proposing idea of 4 defenders & 1 cherry pic
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:12 pm
by DrCoach
The Sac Owner went to HARVARD and MIT
He also picked nic stauskas.
This has nothing to do with his intelligence. Just because people are business savvy doesn't mean they can run a sports franchise. Too many times it actually hurts the team because these guys try to meddle with things they just aren't good at.
He should just stay far away from basketball and let someone who knows something about basketball make his decisions.
And that's wrong with Nic Stauskas?
And people from Harvard and MIT understand things that you don't, they look at things in ways you don't even see.
Why do you think Houston and Philly hired math geniuses with no sports experience?
Re: Kings owner proposing idea of 4 defenders & 1 cherry pic
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:15 pm
by aq_ua
mpharris36 wrote:DrCoach wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
Jerry Jones is a self made billionaire, it doesn't make him a smart football guy
sports and business are two different animals
Dude, can you read and comprehend?
The Sac Owner went to HARVARD and MIT
He also picked nic stauskas.
This has nothing to do with his intelligence. Just because people are business savvy doesn't mean they can run a sports franchise. Too many times it actually hurts the team because these guys try to meddle with things they just aren't good at.
He should just stay far away from basketball and let someone who knows something about basketball make his decisions.
Stauskas would be our second best player if he were on the Knicks, why the hate?
Re: Kings owner proposing idea of 4 defenders & 1 cherry pic
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:27 pm
by GYK
DrCoach wrote:The Sac Owner went to HARVARD and MIT
He also picked nic stauskas.
This has nothing to do with his intelligence. Just because people are business savvy doesn't mean they can run a sports franchise. Too many times it actually hurts the team because these guys try to meddle with things they just aren't good at.
He should just stay far away from basketball and let someone who knows something about basketball make his decisions.
And that's wrong with Nic Stauskas?
And people from Harvard and MIT understand things that you don't, they look at things in ways you don't even see.
Why do you think Houston and Philly hired math geniuses with no sports experience?
They got Math Genuises as head coaches or just GM's trying to money ball their way to success? Holligenger is the perfect example. Would you take him over Thibs? Or just ask his opinion on personnel moves?
Re: Kings owner proposing idea of 4 defenders & 1 cherry pic
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:13 pm
by Nyphantom
mpharris36 wrote:stupidest thing ever, what a dope. Stick to being rich and stop thinking about basketball.
Easy way to defend that is play 5-4 offense. The minute the shot goes up, a player runs back on defense. By the time the shot misses and the defensive rebound is made the cherry picker wont be open.
If the offense makes the shot (which will be likely since one guy will be wide open). The player breaks back for defense the minute the shot is up and by the time the team inbounds the ball the cherry picker will be covered.
The only time the cherry picker would work would be off a turnover, which wouldn't happen much because there would only be 4 defensive players on 5 guys.
It would be shooting practice for the opposition.
Bingo, cherry picking does not work unless in turnover situations. By the time the shot goes up and has been rebounded or taken from out of bounds the wing defender will already have neutralized the cherry picker.
Re: Kings owner proposing idea of 4 defenders & 1 cherry pic
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:29 pm
by Meat
mpharris36 wrote:DrCoach wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
Jerry Jones is a self made billionaire, it doesn't make him a smart football guy
sports and business are two different animals
Dude, can you read and comprehend?
The Sac Owner went to HARVARD and MIT
He also picked nic stauskas.
This has nothing to do with his intelligence. Just because people are business savvy doesn't mean they can run a sports franchise. Too many times it actually hurts the team because these guys try to meddle with things they just aren't good at.
He should just stay far away from basketball and let someone who knows something about basketball make his decisions.
you wanna let stauskas play before passing judgement??
Re: Kings owner proposing idea of 4 defenders & 1 cherry pic
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:21 pm
by capwolf
Vivek Ranadivé actually has coached basketball. He was a pretty innovative coach, in the book Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell the story is told of how he took his daughters scrubby girls team from the basement of their division by full court pressing every minute of the game. The strategy overcame the teams lack of speed and skill. Very interesting read. I'd be interested in seeing this strategy implemented.