Knicks thinking unthinkable with excelling Bargnani: a return?

BallSacBounce · Post #21 » by **BallSacBounce** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 9:50 am

Bob Ross wrote:I dunno. When I think of Bargs I think of one thing:

Knicks Division Champs
Raptors suck

Knicks get Bargs

Raptors Division Champs
Knicks suck, then become the worst team in the league.

I will call this science. Bargs = the worst

Yes, well if you look at the science aspect of this it is a bum deal.

TheBigBoss · Post #22 » by **TheBigBoss** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 10:24 am

I like Bargs coming back on a cheap deal to come off the bench in a role similar to what Mehmet Okur had on the Pistons some years back. Play some post defense, take shots from 12 feet in (a 3 pointer or two is ok, but no more than that), and making those passes from the high post to guys cutting to the basket. We won't have to depend on him so much in that role, so if and when he does get hurt it won't be too big of a deal. If we are lucky enough that he stays healthy, then he is that Odom/Kukoc 6th man versatile scorer off the bench.

MaseInYourFace · Post #23 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 10:38 am

For vet min yes absolutely. You can do much worse. But does he take it? My guess would be no.

BadNewsBarnes · Post #24 » by **BadNewsBarnes** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 10:40 am

MaseInYourFace wrote:For vet min yes absolutely. You can do much worse. But does he take it? My guess would be no.

Somehow, I don't see him taking the vet minimum either.

MaseInYourFace · Post #25 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 10:45 am

Right now we evaluate him based on the contract and the trade that was made to acquire him but if he were here on a cheap deal he'd be looked at as a steal or wouldn't even be dwelled upon.

Bobbyydee · Post #26 » by **Bobbyydee** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 11:01 am

kingquan316 wrote:I wouldn't be against this. But anything above 2 mil is not worth it. This fool gets hurt all the damn time, and who the hell knows how motivated he will be if it's a multi-year deal.

Max I give him is 2 mil a year, on a one year deal. Nothing more.

I have been saying the same thing for months,but he may get more money in Europe. At least there is Copeland. Phil should be fair to Melo like he did with Jordan and Kobe and Shaq, If Bargs come back he should be back ONLY to back up Melo or Okafor. The fact is we need a rebounding machine at the PF spot . However when the pressure is off and u need scoring with Melo off the floor u can count on Bargnani or Copeland

Wonderllama · Post #27 » by **Wonderllama** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 11:02 am

"Seven-foot versatile players with a good midrange offensive game and an ability to stretch the other team's defense are hard to come by in this league. Andrea has proven to be a quality scorer who adds another dimension to our team."

- Glen Grunwald

Juco24 · Post #28 » by **Juco24** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 11:21 am

For some reason, I just find this all amusing...What a freakin season! smh

aq_ua · Post #29 » by **aq_ua** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 11:23 am

People...if there's anything that Bargs has proven, it's that he plays best when he's the focal point of the offense and has the freedom to play on the strong side. If there's anything else that Bargs has proven is that he's pretty much fugly under any other usage.

Post #30 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 11:34 am

Just like they said amare would be back too. These mofos just know what buttons to push to get the fans riled up.

Worst_to_First · Post #31 » by **Worst_to_First** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 11:44 am

aq_ua wrote:People...if there's anything that Bargs has proven, it's that he plays best when he's the focal point of the offense and has the freedom to play on the strong side. If there's anything else that Bargs has proven is that he's pretty much fugly under any other usage.

I have to admit it is fun having Bargs as the focal point of your team's offense when your goal is to tank. You just have to worry about accidental wins here and there when he gets on a hot streak.

Post #32 » by **j4remi** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 11:55 am

I think that's a waste of a roster spot since he can't stay healthy, but then again...he actually does seem useful in the system when healthy which you can't say for most minimum guys.

prophet_of_rage · Post #33 » by **prophet_of_rage** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 11:59 am

Welcome to the reality of no bigs being available to the Knicks in free agency. We may not have a choice.

Post #34 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 12:10 pm

GONYK wrote:
Sark wrote:Post defense?

Bargnani is a very good post defender. He's just a terrible everything else defender.

One year for the minimum? I can live with that. We will need cheap talent and Bargs will be playing for a contract commensurate with his dependability.

Anything beyond one year? Not interested.

this is what I think as well. Bargs still hasn't proved he can stay healthy for a long period of time. If he finish out the year healthy and playing good basketball I would consider a 1 year minimum deal. A show me type contract before the cap goes up in 2016-17 which makes sense for both parties not to be locked in long term.

We are going to need to sign some minimum bigs to play decent minutes for us next year and bargs at the minimum is as good as an option we are going to get.

captvict · Post #35 » by **captvict** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 12:24 pm

I agree...dont think there will be much out there for us big wise...If we Draft Okafur...then keep him on the Morey style deal and cut him the following year for Durant...but alongside Okafur......Bargs might flourish

Post #36 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 12:27 pm

j4remi wrote:I think that's a waste of a roster spot since he can't stay healthy, but then again...he actually does seem useful in the system when healthy which you can't say for most minimum guys.

the difference is, if he takes the minimum and he gets hurt. You can just cut him and sign another guy.

DrCoach · Post #37 » by **DrCoach** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 12:30 pm

At the minimum sure

KNIXFAN_83 · Post #38 » by **KNIXFAN_83** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 12:51 pm

Bargs for the right price as a back up is good for this team. Again not many 7 footers have his skill set.

brooklynoxy · Post #39 » by **brooklynoxy** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 12:52 pm

Bargs should come back for the veteran minimum since the Knicks are going to need players. Before everyone gets their panties in a knot over this speculative rumor, the distaste fans have for Bargs is based more on what his salary did to New York's cap flexibility than most anything else. If the Knicks had not squandered a first round draft pick for the guy, no one would really have an issue with a 28 year old 7 footer being signed to a $1.5 million minimum one year deal.

A couple of posters have said that they don't see Bargnani taking a minimum deal. I cannot see of any other NBA team even inking Andrea to a one year minimum. Bargnani's state of mind after the past three or so seasons must have burned the guy out, and if the Knicks offered him a 2 year (2nd year would be a team option) incentive ladened contract, this would be the season to see if this dude can bounce back.

A healthy Bargnani can only help the Knicks. IMHO, he is a better player than Jason Smith who earned over $3,000,000 last season for doing little more than taking up space. Honestly, Q-Acy's enthusiasm and energy served New York in terms of early PMFJ excitement, when, in reality, Acy and Outlaw were simply positional fill ins for NY. What differentiates Bargs from these and other "veteran types" remains what he stands to gain or lose and the timing surrounding this former number 1 draft pick's place in the sports history books. This is a player who knows what can happen to his career, both in positive and in negative terms. Andrea Bargnani would essentially receive his third and final chance if New York chooses.

Just my 0.02 cents.

Bobbyydee · Post #40 » by **Bobbyydee** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 12:58 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:Welcome to the reality of no bigs being available to the Knicks in free agency. We may not have a choice.

Come on man what's the scouting department doing? There is enough big men who can defend and rebound in the draft, Euro league or D league for the Knicks to find our Horace Grant or Whiteside, I mean look at the Heat.