Michael Sweetney (aka Sweets)

[moocow007]

Which begs...why is Sweetney viewed with so much less vitriol than Eddy Curry even though Sweetney was fatter, accomplished even less and should be viewed as an even bigger waste/bust/disappointment. Sweetney lost his dad, Curry lost his entire family.

Is it the Icarus effect?

[Knicksfan20]

@king of Canada


I 100% agree. The problem is the Doctors and the pharmaceutical companies that belive you can fix every problem with medicine or a pill.

There are a ton of variables that can lead to one feeling depressed. And everything you listed can cause that.

The doctors don't care about your children. They just write up a prescription like they were taught and send the kid and family on their way.

Problem is the parents as well. None of these parents are talking with their kids aND trying to help. They are all too busy with their lives and just assume the kid needs help because he/she is acting up. Most kids don't get enough exercise Either and spend all day in front of a tv or computer.

Of all the people I listed (my brother, my friend and my babies mother) all have something in common. All started on anti depressents when teenagers and all ended up moving onto heroine. Not saying anti depressents are a gateway drug, but they act in a similar way.

Heroine and opiates give you a false feeling of happyNess. Same way anti depressents do.

You start trying to balance chemicals in your brain when you don't need too. You are going to cause permanent damage to your brain.

Anti depressentsare supposed to help your bran be normal and be happy... then why does it also damage your brain at the same time?

[King of Canada]

Which begs...why is Sweetney viewed with so much less vitriol than Eddy Curry even though Sweetney was fatter, accomplished even less and should be viewed as an even bigger waste/bust/disappointment. Sweetney lost his dad, Curry lost his entire family.

Is it the Icarus effect?

Draft picks. That's why. We only wasted one on Sweets, but missed out on a ton of talent for Curry.

[Juco24]

Which begs...why is Sweetney viewed with so much less vitriol than Eddy Curry even though Sweetney was fatter, accomplished even less and should be viewed as an even bigger waste/bust/disappointment. Sweetney lost his dad, Curry lost his entire family.

Is it the Icarus effect?

I think it's the Isaiah effect. You know the saying: guilty by association. I believe had we NOT given up so much for Curry, the hate would not have been as much. Same with Melo - (And Lord knows I'm NOT trying to turn this into a Melo thread) but I think some folks hate him just because of Danilo Gallinari (sp?), his relationship with Lin, the fact that he took the money, etc. I don't believe it has anything to do with their games or them as people. More/less what others relate them to.

For Curry, fans see the I. Thomas era -

[Jeff Van Gully]

Eddy Curry had depression too for sure.

Also - did you know that many depression meds make you put on a ton of weight, which reduces testosterone, which makes you feel low on energy? It's a pretty crappy cycle. You can pick out athletes with depression very easily.

Or maybe depression isn't a real thing and just a made up disease like obesity.

Everyone goes through depression. You arnt born with it. Certain things happen in people's lives which can cause depression which can last days months or years.

Medication Doesn't fix it, just makes it worse. I have seen many people diagnosed with depression and for stupid reasons. One of my good friends got diagnosed when she was 12. Had her on all types of ****. Why? Cuz she started to act up and was sad all the time.

But did the doctors take the time to figure out why? Nope... Let's just disregard puberty a day the fact that she just lost her mother to cancer aND her dad was a sht hole. Maybe that's why she is depressed at 12 years old.

It's all bull ****.

thank you, dr. knicksfan20.

[King of Canada]

@king of Canada


I 100% agree. The problem is the Doctors and the pharmaceutical companies that belive you can fix every problem with medicine or a pill.

There are a ton of variables that can lead to one feeling depressed. And everything you listed can cause that.

The doctors don't care about your children. They just write up a prescription like they were taught and send the kid and family on their way.

Problem is the parents as well. None of these parents are talking with their kids aND trying to help. They are all too busy with their lives and just assume the kid needs help because he/she is acting up. Most kids don't get enough exercise Either and spend all day in front of a tv or computer.

Of all the people I listed (my brother, my friend and my babies mother) all have something in common. All started on anti depressents when teenagers and all ended up moving onto heroine. Not saying anti depressents are a gateway drug, but they act in a similar way.

Heroine and opiates give you a false feeling of happyNess. Same way anti depressents do.

You start trying to balance chemicals in your brain when you don't need too. You are going to cause permanent damage to your brain.

Anti depressentsare supposed to help your bran be normal and be happy... then why does it also damage your brain at the same time?

I'm very sorry to hear about the heroine. For me, I'm pretty sure I can trace my depression back to a lot of pot smoking between the ages of 14-16. After I stopped at the age of 16 I felt different well into my late 20s. I have an amazing wife and a great family, so the effects on my life weren't as bad as they could have been. I graduated university, etc.... and did well enough, but always felt held back by my overall depressed feeling. I'm still working on it, but am more conscious of myself now that I am getting older and have children. I'm very aware of how being a great dad effects their lives, so am very motivated to be a positive and well balanced person.

[Capn'O]

KT20 is onto something with gross over-application of antidepressants. There's a time and place for them, particularly in times of crisis or when a person simply doesn't have time/resources to take a deeper look. And there are people where the chemical imbalance won't work itself out on its own. But a lot of it seems like a scheme to push pills without analyzing. Or just laziness. I've seen it firsthand twice. Twice docs tried to push pills on me and I said "no, I'd like to try to work it through, thanks." And that was easily the correct choice. Five years ago, there were specific modes of thinking that I was stuck in and they were slowly killing me. Finally, I found a good shrink who identified those hangups and we worked them through. Very limited problems since - no irrational anxiety - just from identification and management of the anxiety triggers. But the first question I get walking into the office is "do you want meds?" with the second being "we can give you meds. Are you sure you don't want meds?"



The book on how to treat mental illness is far from complete. My wife was listening to a podcast the other day about a guy that was working in Africa and told the villagers he was getting depressed. They sent him to a woman that dealt with these matters in the village. I'm going to butcher this - but the gist is that she arranged a ritual where the whole village came out and danced and sang. They slaughtered a goat. All the while, he was on this bed that they kept lifting up and down. Basically a huge ritual for him and, what do you know, he felt a lot better afterwards.

So he finds out that there were similar traditions all over the continent where the bottom line is the depressed person is given a ton of attention. When they were asked about western methods for treating depression they countered that we do it all wrong. Put people in dark rooms by ourselves with someone we barely know and talk about the worst things that ever happened to us. That's NUTS

[Knicksfan20]

Eddy Curry had depression too for sure.

Also - did you know that many depression meds make you put on a ton of weight, which reduces testosterone, which makes you feel low on energy? It's a pretty crappy cycle. You can pick out athletes with depression very easily.

Or maybe depression isn't a real thing and just a made up disease like obesity.

Everyone goes through depression. You arnt born with it. Certain things happen in people's lives which can cause depression which can last days months or years.

Medication Doesn't fix it, just makes it worse. I have seen many people diagnosed with depression and for stupid reasons. One of my good friends got diagnosed when she was 12. Had her on all types of ****. Why? Cuz she started to act up and was sad all the time.

But did the doctors take the time to figure out why? Nope... Let's just disregard puberty a day the fact that she just lost her mother to cancer aND her dad was a sht hole. Maybe that's why she is depressed at 12 years old.

It's all bull ****.

thank you, dr. knicksfan20.

Just because a Doctor says something is ok doesn't mean it is. I don't trust all doctors, I don't trust all police and I don't trust the government Either.

Alot of them are criminals in their own way. I'm the type of person who thinks for themselves and research topics I have interests in. And this is a topic I know plenty about. I don't have to be a doctor to be right about something.

Are all doctors right? How many commercials you see of medicine with all types of side effects that are currently prescribed or were prescribed but now being sued over?

So this one drug will help my 1 problem temporarily , but will cause 8 other problems. Yea that sounds great!!!

[Knicksfan20]

@king of Canada


I 100% agree. The problem is the Doctors and the pharmaceutical companies that belive you can fix every problem with medicine or a pill.

There are a ton of variables that can lead to one feeling depressed. And everything you listed can cause that.

The doctors don't care about your children. They just write up a prescription like they were taught and send the kid and family on their way.

Problem is the parents as well. None of these parents are talking with their kids aND trying to help. They are all too busy with their lives and just assume the kid needs help because he/she is acting up. Most kids don't get enough exercise Either and spend all day in front of a tv or computer.

Of all the people I listed (my brother, my friend and my babies mother) all have something in common. All started on anti depressents when teenagers and all ended up moving onto heroine. Not saying anti depressents are a gateway drug, but they act in a similar way.

Heroine and opiates give you a false feeling of happyNess. Same way anti depressents do.

You start trying to balance chemicals in your brain when you don't need too. You are going to cause permanent damage to your brain.

Anti depressentsare supposed to help your bran be normal and be happy... then why does it also damage your brain at the same time?

I'm very sorry to hear about the heroine. For me, I'm pretty sure I can trace my depression back to a lot of pot smoking between the ages of 14-16. After I stopped at the age of 16 I felt different well into my late 20s. I have an amazing wife and a great family, so the effects on my life weren't as bad as they could have been. I graduated university, etc.... and did well enough, but always felt held back by my overall depressed feeling. I'm still working on it, but am more conscious of myself now that I am getting older and have children. I'm very aware of how being a great dad effects their lives, so am very motivated to be a positive and well balanced person.

Very glad to hear that and happy to hear you are off medication and happier because of it.

Being a great parent is very important to how your kids turn out. I learned from my parents mistakes and am a great father because of that.

My son is 4 and sometimes will space out and see. Sad... so I talk to him about it. He is sad cuz he misses his mom and never sees her. (In a single father for 3 years, his mom is going through a lot of issues)

So this is something I know can and will affect him. . So I make sure he gets twice the attention from me since he doesn't have a mom. My son has turned out great so far and I am ready to deal with any parental obsticles that will happen in the future

[moocow007]

Which begs...why is Sweetney viewed with so much less vitriol than Eddy Curry even though Sweetney was fatter, accomplished even less and should be viewed as an even bigger waste/bust/disappointment. Sweetney lost his dad, Curry lost his entire family.

Is it the Icarus effect?

Draft picks. That's why. We only wasted one on Sweets, but missed out on a ton of talent for Curry.

But that's not Curry's fault. So why are folks furious with Curry? That was Isiah Thomas.

[bleedblue3303]

Again this is a failure of the team to identify a problem a player is having and take the necessary steps to fix its. I know there are sports psychologists but they should and I hope are mandatory for all athletes as they are in a unique position to begin with and I truly believe this would be helpful too all of them


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[moocow007]

Again this is a failure of the team to identify a problem a player is having and take the necessary steps to fix its. I know there are sports psychologists but they should and I hope are mandatory for all athletes as they are in a unique position to begin with and I truly believe this would be helpful too all of them


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Yeah you would think the teams would be interested in the mental health of players it's investing millions upon millions of dollars on.

Was reading an article on Delonte West and in Cleveland they did nothing about it to help and instead it was Lebron James and some of the veterans (West mentioned specifically the late Lorenzen Wright) who took it upon themselves to try to help their teammate (West) with his mental issues.

Sidebar: Yes, West actually said that Lebron James actually was the biggest help in terms of support (and this was both before and after the supposed "sleeping with Gloria James" rumor (which everyone has said never happened) while they were teammates.

Dallas was apparently a bit better as Cuban was aware and actually did, have and apparently still is trying to help West deal with his bi-polar issues by trying to get him involved in things and keeping tabs on him.

[Knicksfan20]

KT20 is onto something with gross over-application of antidepressants. There's a time and place for them, particularly in times of crisis or when a person simply doesn't have time/resources to take a deeper look. And there are people where the chemical imbalance won't work itself out on its own. But a lot of it seems like a scheme to push pills without analyzing. Or just laziness. I've seen it firsthand twice. Twice docs tried to push pills on me and I said "no, I'd like to try to work it through, thanks." And that was easily the correct choice. Five years ago, there were specific modes of thinking that I was stuck in and they were slowly killing me. Finally, I found a good shrink who identified those hangups and we worked them through. Very limited problems since - no irrational anxiety - just from identification and management of the anxiety triggers. But the first question I get walking into the office is "do you want meds?" with the second being "we can give you meds. Are you sure you don't want meds?"



The book on how to treat mental illness is far from complete. My wife was listening to a podcast the other day about a guy that was working in Africa and told the villagers he was getting depressed. They sent him to a woman that dealt with these matters in the village. I'm going to butcher this - but the gist is that she arranged a ritual where the whole village came out and danced and sang. They slaughtered a goat. All the while, he was on this bed that they kept lifting up and down. Basically a huge ritual for him and, what do you know, he felt a lot better afterwards.

So he finds out that there were similar traditions all over the continent where the bottom line is the depressed person is given a ton of attention. When they were asked about western methods for treating depression they countered that we do it all wrong. Put people in dark rooms by ourselves with someone we barely know and talk about the worst things that ever happened to us. That's NUTS

I'm very happy you chose the correct path and dealt with your issues the way you did. Having somebody to talk to really helps.

I am currently going through a depression myself. But I know why and what I did wrong. And I'm dealing with it.

I take anti depressents every day... it's called marijuana and it definitely helps lol. But there Is also no long term side affects and I'm not dependant on it (don't smoke a ton either)

I'm pro weed for about every thing. There arnt many things a pill can do for you that weed can't.

[Capn'O]

KT20 is onto something with gross over-application of antidepressants. There's a time and place for them, particularly in times of crisis or when a person simply doesn't have time/resources to take a deeper look. And there are people where the chemical imbalance won't work itself out on its own. But a lot of it seems like a scheme to push pills without analyzing. Or just laziness. I've seen it firsthand twice. Twice docs tried to push pills on me and I said "no, I'd like to try to work it through, thanks." And that was easily the correct choice. Five years ago, there were specific modes of thinking that I was stuck in and they were slowly killing me. Finally, I found a good shrink who identified those hangups and we worked them through. Very limited problems since - no irrational anxiety - just from identification and management of the anxiety triggers. But the first question I get walking into the office is "do you want meds?" with the second being "we can give you meds. Are you sure you don't want meds?"



The book on how to treat mental illness is far from complete. My wife was listening to a podcast the other day about a guy that was working in Africa and told the villagers he was getting depressed. They sent him to a woman that dealt with these matters in the village. I'm going to butcher this - but the gist is that she arranged a ritual where the whole village came out and danced and sang. They slaughtered a goat. All the while, he was on this bed that they kept lifting up and down. Basically a huge ritual for him and, what do you know, he felt a lot better afterwards.

So he finds out that there were similar traditions all over the continent where the bottom line is the depressed person is given a ton of attention. When they were asked about western methods for treating depression they countered that we do it all wrong. Put people in dark rooms by ourselves with someone we barely know and talk about the worst things that ever happened to us. That's NUTS

I'm very happy you chose the correct path and dealt with your issues the way you did. Having somebody to talk to really helps.

I am currently going through a depression myself. But I know why and what I did wrong. And I'm dealing with it.

I take anti depressents every day... it's called marijuana and it definitely helps lol. But there Is also no long term side affects and I'm not dependant on it (don't smoke a ton either)

I'm pro weed for about every thing. There arnt many things a pill can do for you that weed can't.

Heh - that was my approach when I was younger. I suspect there are psychological applications for MJ that will eventually become a part of the suite of clinical treatment. For me, ultimately it turned on me and fueled the anxiety. Now... very occasional entertainment.

[Jeff Van Gully]

good for sweetney for coming to terms with his illness. so many bad things happen to good people who go undiagnosed. and there is such a stigma among black americans that anything involving mental health means you're "crazy" and "weak." so many people don't explore it and get help.

then there's the other side of the underprivileged going without access to quality mental health provisions.

i'm not saying either of these necessarily directly applied to sweet. i don't know him like that. but as a black man, i have experienced the drawbacks from both ends.

i'm happy for him and his LIFE that he has found the courage and help he needed to move forward.

[Juco24]

good for sweetney for coming to terms with his illness. so many bad things happen to good people who go undiagnosed. and there is such a stigma among black americans that anything involving mental health means you're "crazy" and "weak." so many people don't explore it and get help.

then there's the other side of the underprivileged going without access to quality mental health provisions.

i'm not saying either of these necessarily directly applied to sweet. i don't know him like that. but as a black man, i have experienced the drawbacks from both ends.

i'm happy for him and his LIFE that he has found the courage and help he needed to move forward.

yeah, you're right - particularly when it came to insurances - PPO & HMO or lack thereof. As a HR Professional, I could tell you some horror stories.

[Jeff Van Gully]

good for sweetney for coming to terms with his illness. so many bad things happen to good people who go undiagnosed. and there is such a stigma among black americans that anything involving mental health means you're "crazy" and "weak." so many people don't explore it and get help.

then there's the other side of the underprivileged going without access to quality mental health provisions.

i'm not saying either of these necessarily directly applied to sweet. i don't know him like that. but as a black man, i have experienced the drawbacks from both ends.

i'm happy for him and his LIFE that he has found the courage and help he needed to move forward.

yeah, you're right - particularly when it came to insurances - PPO & HMO or lack thereof. As a HR Professional, I could tell you some horror stories.

oh, man. you've seen it better than most. the things some insurances won't cover. i've worked in health for years and there are some poison pill ICD-9 diagnosis codes that you want to stay away from. even if it's exactly why the patient is there, you know the insurance won't pay for "anxiety disorder" or "depression" or "ADHD." it's crazy. people end up legit needing help, but can't get it.

[CoolKids]

Eddy Curry had depression too for sure.

Also - did you know that many depression meds make you put on a ton of weight, which reduces testosterone, which makes you feel low on energy? It's a pretty crappy cycle. You can pick out athletes with depression very easily.

Or maybe depression isn't a real thing and just a made up disease like obesity.

Everyone goes through depression. You arnt born with it. Certain things happen in people's lives which can cause depression which can last days months or years.

Medication Doesn't fix it, just makes it worse. I have seen many people diagnosed with depression and for stupid reasons. One of my good friends got diagnosed when she was 12. Had her on all types of ****. Why? Cuz she started to act up and was sad all the time.

But did the doctors take the time to figure out why? Nope... Let's just disregard puberty a day the fact that she just lost her mother to cancer aND her dad was a sht hole. Maybe that's why she is depressed at 12 years old.

It's all bull ****.

There are people who are more genetically inclined to develop conditions like obesity and depression

[Dantares]

Looking back i still think sweetney had the highest ceiling of all our lottery picks in the last 15 years until now, porzingis potential is unreal. But yeah sweets had a higher ceiling than gallinari, hill and frye.

[Jeff Van Gully]

KT20 is onto something with gross over-application of antidepressants. There's a time and place for them, particularly in times of crisis or when a person simply doesn't have time/resources to take a deeper look. And there are people where the chemical imbalance won't work itself out on its own. But a lot of it seems like a scheme to push pills without analyzing. Or just laziness. I've seen it firsthand twice. Twice docs tried to push pills on me and I said "no, I'd like to try to work it through, thanks." And that was easily the correct choice. Five years ago, there were specific modes of thinking that I was stuck in and they were slowly killing me. Finally, I found a good shrink who identified those hangups and we worked them through. Very limited problems since - no irrational anxiety - just from identification and management of the anxiety triggers. But the first question I get walking into the office is "do you want meds?" with the second being "we can give you meds. Are you sure you don't want meds?"



The book on how to treat mental illness is far from complete. My wife was listening to a podcast the other day about a guy that was working in Africa and told the villagers he was getting depressed. They sent him to a woman that dealt with these matters in the village. I'm going to butcher this - but the gist is that she arranged a ritual where the whole village came out and danced and sang. They slaughtered a goat. All the while, he was on this bed that they kept lifting up and down. Basically a huge ritual for him and, what do you know, he felt a lot better afterwards.

So he finds out that there were similar traditions all over the continent where the bottom line is the depressed person is given a ton of attention. When they were asked about western methods for treating depression they countered that we do it all wrong. Put people in dark rooms by ourselves with someone we barely know and talk about the worst things that ever happened to us. That's NUTS

I'm very happy you chose the correct path and dealt with your issues the way you did. Having somebody to talk to really helps.

I am currently going through a depression myself. But I know why and what I did wrong. And I'm dealing with it.

I take anti depressents every day... it's called marijuana and it definitely helps lol. But there Is also no long term side affects and I'm not dependant on it (don't smoke a ton either)

I'm pro weed for about every thing. There arnt many things a pill can do for you that weed can't.

Heh - that was my approach when I was younger. I suspect there are psychological applications for MJ that will eventually become a part of the suite of clinical treatment. For me, ultimately it turned on me and fueled the anxiety. Now... very occasional entertainment.

i'm pro-weed too. but it's not an anti-depressant. it's anti-anxiety. it's definitely a depressant. people with clinical depression are at great risk of exacerbating their symptoms by using marijuana and alcohol.

but again, i'm wasting brain cells on someone who doesn't know what he's talking about. why?

there is a big difference between "being depressed about something" and having clinical depression. and hopefully you don't have the latter, knickfan20. if you did, your attitude toward the disease could lead you to never seek help and maybe hurt yourself or others. but it's not the same as, "i'm bummed about something bad i did in my life." and the reduction of depression to situations like that is insulting. it also contributes to the reasons why people end up not getting help. a damn shame.