OT Fitz vs Geno

[Knicksfan1992]

Geno Smith is not a good player. Jets will go 6-10 at best if he is the QB. Their schedule is brutal.

And you think Fitz will do that much better?

[moocow007]

Fitzgerald's agent should have Geno Smith's picture front and center in any contract discussions with the Jets.

[Knicksfan1992]

I'm pretty sure the Jets haven't offered a 1 year 12 mill deal because of cap restraints. The 3 year deal allows the team to stretch the cap hit in 2016, 2017 & 2018 over 3 years.

Fitz only leverage right now is pretending he has a lot of leverage. The Jets contract is fair because if he plays as good as he did in 2015 for years 2 & 3 incentive kickers bring him up to a starter's wage. He has done nothing to deserve more then what he's offered. The market dictated that and, honestly, so does playing awful in the final game versus Buffalo.

Fitz "leverage" is, this team loves me, I'm the smartest QB in the room and no one is comfortable with Geno. Boomer Esiason always says how Brandon Marshall loved that Fitz would send text messages on a Wednesday on a read he picked up on watching tape at home.

Geno has all the tools but doesn't have the track record to make you comfortable he'll make good decisions consistently. In 2014 when the Jets opened versus a bunch of stud teams he actually played pretty well... but overall he just seems to lack NFL starting QB material.

Fitz & Jets need to compromise. Fitz probably asked for $17 mill per (Bradford deal). He wants to get paid for being underpaid in 2015... 2 year $22 million deal. $15 Mill guaranteed. $14 mill in 2016 $8 mill in 2017. Less incentives then what's on the table now.

Fitz may be the most book smart QB in the room but, he is not a smart quarterback. He's actually one of the least smart in the league.

[BKAY]

Loved fitz, hate the game he's playing. Prefer to ride out with Geno at this point


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[Deeeez Knicks]

Fitz needs the Jets, Jets need Fitz. You would think they could meet in the middle and work something out. I think it'll happen eventually. Makes too much sense.

[DowNY]

F Fitz.

[DowNY]

Settled on Geno at this point. Fitz is not the difference between a championship or not.
If we fail, I rather fail & maintain cap space next season than give Fitz a $10M a year deal for 2 or 3 years to be in the same spot we'd be with Geno.

[MaseInYourFace]

I'd rather go with Fitzpatrick. The Jets offense is a win now group. You need someone experienced and proven plus Fitzpatrick had a very good season this past season. Geno has the better physical tools but his IQ has been lacking up to this point, on and off the field.

[j4remi]

I can't think of a dumber move than paying Fitz just to have Geno outperform him in camp and start over him. Just let Fitz go. He's not good and we're more than likely missing the playoffs anyway with this schedule (it's just the reality of the situation). I don't think we're much better with him than Geno anyway personally. We're bidding against ourselves at this point for him. Start Geno, sign a Josh McCown type for depth and move Petty to the practice squad.

We shouldn't outbid ourselves, but paying Fitz who has proven effective in the system wouldn't be a bad thing. Geno's unproven and if he outplays Fitz, that's just good news. Fitz on a one year or even two year wouldn't kill us, his lockerroom presence and rapport with the team is beneficial and assuming we don't increase our bids to something ridiculous...he'll be worth it. That's especially true if Geno gets hurt. I don't think they'll move Petty to the practice squad for a Mccown, they're already talking about possibly carrying 4 QB's on the roster. So my assumption is it's either Fitz and Geno or just Geno...no matter what the circumstance, just Geno doesn't work (because of the back-up situation).

[kane]

Fitzgerald's agent should have Geno Smith's picture front and center in any contract discussions with the Jets.

And geno's should have a picture of fitz and a printout of the bills 2011 season where he was 5-2 with a 97qbr and after he signed his deal they finished the season 6-10 with a 56qbr

[Knicksfan1992]

Fitz needs the Jets, Jets need Fitz. You would think they could meet in the middle and work something out. I think it'll happen eventually. Makes too much sense.

We don't need that bum. We need Marshall, Decker, Amaro, and Forte.

[AmazingJason]

I had Fitzpatrick as my QB2 in fantasy one year (2-QB league).

Very good quarterback.

[j4remi]

Fitzgerald's agent should have Geno Smith's picture front and center in any contract discussions with the Jets.

And geno's should have a picture of fitz and a printout of the bills 2011 season where he was 5-2 with a 97qbr and after he signed his deal they finished the season 6-10 with a 56qbr

It's hilarious how right you both are God I hate our QB situation.

[Fat Kat]

Rex said that he just stacked the box and dared Fitz to beat him long. That's why Buffalo beat us and that's how every team will play the Jets if we bring Fitzy back. Time to move on. I'm still not over that last game.

[Yankeeknickfan]

Fitz and it isn't even close. We have extra cap space after giving Mo his money. Just pay Fitz already

[Yankeeknickfan]

If we do start geno, they need to throw the ball 20 times a game. All safe throws to Marshall/Decker, or checkdowns to forte.

[Knicksfan1992]

I can't think of a dumber move than paying Fitz just to have Geno outperform him in camp and start over him. Just let Fitz go. He's not good and we're more than likely missing the playoffs anyway with this schedule (it's just the reality of the situation). I don't think we're much better with him than Geno anyway personally. We're bidding against ourselves at this point for him. Start Geno, sign a Josh McCown type for depth and move Petty to the practice squad.

We shouldn't outbid ourselves, but paying Fitz who has proven effective in the system wouldn't be a bad thing. Geno's unproven and if he outplays Fitz, that's just good news. Fitz on a one year or even two year wouldn't kill us, his lockerroom presence and rapport with the team is beneficial and assuming we don't increase our bids to something ridiculous...he'll be worth it. That's especially true if Geno gets hurt. I don't think they'll move Petty to the practice squad for a Mccown, they're already talking about possibly carrying 4 QB's on the roster. So my assumption is it's either Fitz and Geno or just Geno...no matter what the circumstance, just Geno doesn't work (because of the back-up situation).

I'm just not sure if Fitz is proven effective or just proven to be lucky. Jets had an absurd turnover rate on defense for much of the year which lead to their wins and Fitz not having to do much. Once that subsided, Fitz inevitably struggled and there were rumors they were thinking of benching him. He got it together a tad bit but, then blew it at the end when all of those passes defenses were dropping earlier in the year ended up being caught. I understand the idea that signing Fitz to a short-term deal is a no-low risk move and if Geno outplays him it's a good problem to have but, I think all of that is in an ideal world. The reality of the situation is that the Jets aren't signing Fitz to maybe start. He will be the starter if he signs (Todd Bowles said so, very stupidly I might add) and the organization would look very bad if he comes back down to earth this year and they commit more than 1 year to him. IMO we're better off seeing what we have with Geno in a good system with actually good weapons. If he sucks we move to focusing on Hack if he's good we found a guy who can be in our system for a long time at probably a reasonable price.

[Knicksfan1992]

If we do start geno, they need to throw the ball 20 times a game. All safe throws to Marshall/Decker, or checkdowns to forte.

Except Geno's one of the best deep throwers in the game.... That's what got him in trouble with Rex and Mornhinweg. Trying to control too much and turn Geno into something he's not.

[N8isScofield]

Let me tell you as someone who watched every single snap of his collegiate career his transition to the NFL has been perplexing. He has all the tools to be a good NFL qb but he has been a total turnover machine in the NFL. Ironically that was probably his biggest strength in college, protecting the ball.

24 TD 7 INT (first year starting)
31 TD 7 INT
42 TD 6 INT

I am still hoping he turns things around but he must be on a very tight leash. this is his last shot

Massive difference between Air Raid and Pro Style offense. To be fair to him he really didn't have great weapons to work with but some of Geno's turnovers are just mind boggling. It's looking more and more like he's getting the keys for most if not all of this year and there are no excuses. The line isn't great but he's got stud receivers and good RBs. He needs to perform.

[Yankeeknickfan]

And before anybody uses the 2013 8-8 argument let's look at the teams that he beat

A bad Bucs team
Bad bills team
Bad Falcons
He shouldn't have beat the pats, but he caught a break on a penalty flag
Bad saints team
The Raiders
Browns
And a bad Dolphins team