Me7o Thread: Hoodie edition

[NYKnicks6]

I wonder if Perry and Mills will consider just telling Melo to stay home and not attend camp if he doesn't expand his list. They should publically say any trade with Houston is dead. It's clear Morey isn't playing fair so don't do business with him.

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Morey's playing perfectly fair. The return being Anderson is a good indicator of what Melo's value is league wide.

So him waiving his no trade clause for no one except 1 team has nothing to do with it? Multiple teams have already showed interest in Melo. If he did not have a NTC it is possible we could have had a bidding war between teams such as Pelicans, Thunder, Blazers etc.

[Dr. Detfink]

If Melo would accept a buyout at the end of the season, why doesn't he offer the Knicks a deal now?

Well this IS the reason why Phil Jackson was fired. He demanded Dolan buy out Melo, NOW.

Dolan didn't want to give Melo a free $26M buy out.

Melo wants EVERY red cent. He's not accepting less.

However, Dolan and the Knicks could be cajoled into buying out the remainder of the season...say $8-10M late into next season.

Remember Houston ONLY wants Melo for the playoffs. They're a lock to make the playoffs, so why would they press now? No reason.

So each side will bide their time but Houston has the upper hand.

[GONYK]

If Melo would accept a buyout at the end of the season, why doesn't he offer the Knicks a deal now?

Well this IS the reason why Phil Jackson was fired. He demanded Dolan buy out Melo, NOW.

Dolan didn't want to give Melo a free $26M buy out.

Melo wants EVERY red cent. He's not accepting less.

However, Dolan and the Knicks could be cajoled into buying out the remainder of the season...say $8-10M late into next season.

Remember Houston ONLY wants Melo for the playoffs. They're a lock to make the playoffs, so why would they press now? No reason.

So each side will bide their time but Houston has the upper hand.

The reason Phil was fired was because he wanted to buy out 2 years of Melo's contract.

For the buyout to be as cheap as you laid out above, it would require Melo using his ETO. Otherwise, it would be the same situation that got Phil fired.

If Melo is willing to terminate his contract at the end of the season, which at that point would be a few weeks away, why would the Knicks pay him $8-10M to do something he's going to do anyway? Just so he can run to Houston for free? If he prevented them from getting an asset for him, I doubt they do him that kind of favor.

If he wants every red cent, why would he exercise his ETO?

Unless I'm missing something, the buyout situation doesn't make sense for either party.

Houston has no upper hand. Depending on the charity of the Knicks is not a strong position.

[Billy Goat]

I wonder if Perry and Mills will consider just telling Melo to stay home and not attend camp if he doesn't expand his list. They should publically say any trade with Houston is dead. It's clear Morey isn't playing fair so don't do business with him.

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Morey's playing perfectly fair. The return being Anderson is a good indicator of what Melo's value is league wide.

So him waiving his no trade clause for no one except 1 team has nothing to do with it? Multiple teams have already showed interest in Melo. If he did not have a NTC it is possible we could have had a bidding war between teams such as Pelicans, Thunder, Blazers etc.

Who? Dame Lillard isnt the Blazers GM.

[HEZI]

Normally a buyout is agreed to for less than the guaranteed salary. If they were to reach an agreement both sides would have to meet each other half way.

I really don't see the point in keeping him. Even if you want to bench him, you still have to pay him, so why even deal with all that drama? Why drag the team through another season of distraction and everything being about Melo? He is owed his money regardless, so might as well try to workout some type of agreement to buy him out and end the drama.

They don't want to buy him out but they will bring him back to a rebuilding team and cut down his role, for what? Just to somehow justify and say he's "earned" his paycheck even though he really wont be? Makes no sense

[rammagen]

I wonder if Perry and Mills will consider just telling Melo to stay home and not attend camp if he doesn't expand his list. They should publically say any trade with Houston is dead. It's clear Morey isn't playing fair so don't do business with him.

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Morey's playing perfectly fair. The return being Anderson is a good indicator of what Melo's value is league wide.

but the knicks are playing fair and anderson is his not his value league wide. His value to the rox is anderson his value to OKC is something else.

No to Anderson or to siting him at home , he wants the rox and only the rox then they can get a better deal or he can play for the Knicks.
The team holds his contract so he can say the rockets up the offer or the Kicnks can say see you in training camp and through out the yr.
It is very simple no bad deals, no anderson. if the rox are really interested they will up the offer.

If Melo is really unhappy he will expand his list of teams. But again no bad deals for him coming back. opt out at the end of the yr or opt back in but in two yrs I want his salary off the books so not to a buy out also.
Show up and play like a pro or expand your list of teams so the Knicks get a decent offer.

[rammagen]

Normally a buyout is agreed to for less than the guaranteed salary. If they were to reach an agreement both sides would have to meet each other half way.

I really don't see the point in keeping him. Even if you want to bench him, you still have to pay him, so why even deal with all that drama? Why drag the team through another season of distraction and everything being about Melo? He is owed his money regardless, so might as well try to workout some type of agreement to buy him out and end the drama.

They don't want to buy him out but they will bring him back to a rebuilding team and cut down his role, for what? Just to somehow justify and say he's "earned" his paycheck even though he really wont be? Makes no sense

No buy outs it has already been said. He has value as a leader and a scorer to the Knicks. He is at the point in his career he will not be the focal point of the offense no matter where he goes the Rockets or OKC, he is the second option here and there.

[Billy Goat]

I wonder if Perry and Mills will consider just telling Melo to stay home and not attend camp if he doesn't expand his list. They should publically say any trade with Houston is dead. It's clear Morey isn't playing fair so don't do business with him.

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Morey's playing perfectly fair. The return being Anderson is a good indicator of what Melo's value is league wide.

but the knicks are playing fair and anderson is his not his value league wide. His value to the rox is anderson his value to OKC is something else.

No to Anderson or to siting him at home , he wants the rox and only the rox then they can get a better deal or he can play for the Knicks.
The team holds his contract so he can say the rockets up the offer or the Kicnks can say see you in training camp and through out the yr.
It is very simple no bad deals, no anderson. if the rox are really interested they will up the offer.

If Melo is really unhappy he will expand his list of teams. But again no bad deals for him coming back. opt out at the end of the yr or opt back in but in two yrs I want his salary off the books so not to a buy out also.
Show up and play like a pro or expand your list of teams so the Knicks get a decent offer.

He's due close to 60 mill over the next two years in a city he loves on a team with zero expectations to win. The offense will continue to funnel through him so he can chase the 30k point mark. With the NTC, he's most likely not going anywhere.

[rammagen]

Morey's playing perfectly fair. The return being Anderson is a good indicator of what Melo's value is league wide.

So him waiving his no trade clause for no one except 1 team has nothing to do with it? Multiple teams have already showed interest in Melo. If he did not have a NTC it is possible we could have had a bidding war between teams such as Pelicans, Thunder, Blazers etc.

Who? Dame Lillard isnt the Blazers GM.

No he isn't but Portland would at least offer youth and pick and no anderson.

[Greenie]

This is getting stupid.

It damn sure is because people keep calling for a player to go somewhere he doesn't want to and has the power not to all because the Knicks gave him a NTC. So now fans want to vilify and punish this player for exercising something given to him because it doesn't fit their fandom timeline.

Guess I should have hated STAT for fuqing up the cap. Oh wait, the dumb ass Knicks gave him that contract.

Guess we should hate Noah. Oh wait, the dumb ass Knicks gave him that contract.

The Knicks have been doing dumb **** all my life. When did you guys become fans because you all are really acting brand new with this Melo situation.

How could you hate STAT for messing up the cap? They had tons of cap space and no one to give it to, because Walsh couldn't get Lebron. Even after he signed they still had cap space left over. There's nothing to hate at all.

The same way people hate Melo for using his NTC. It was given to him and he's collecting.

Why didn't STAT retire?

[Greenie]

I doubt he naturally falls back. This will be the first year he'll know coming into camp that team wont be trying to compete for something meaningful AND wont be featuring him. I couldn't imagine any star player being cool with that given what prestige they are used to enjoying. If he does, awesome, I just don't see it.

That's why I said organically.

It's happening whether he likes it or not. We saw it last year. The offense was not centered around him in my honest opinion. It wasn't centered around anyone really.

More of the same this year with another scorer coming in (Timmy), a scorer that can actually relieve him(Beas) and KP hopefully becoming more aggressive in year three.

We will see his attempts fall more.
The key with him will be to see him stay fresh. Nothing over 30 minutes is ideal but I don't know what the hell Jeff will do.

I don't recall seeing it last year. melo took the most shots by a wide margin AND shot worse than the majority of starters doing so. The offense was basically "do you", Jeff had no scheme whatsoever.

Just curious, what's the interest in him "staying fresh"?

He took less shots than the year before.

The interest would be to keep him performing and healthy so that a trade is still on the table possibly.

[Greenie]

Melo has a right to exercise his NTC.

The Knicks have a right to say no to a bad trade that's only good for him.

The NTC doesn't mean the Knicks have to trade him if he wants to leave.

Mills & Perry have already put it forth. We're rebuilding with or without Melo being here. If he's here, his fans can keep buying tickets to watch him play the rest of his prime away with no real shot at winning. If he's gone, we can accelerate the rebuild.

Personally I'm fine either way. Knicks finally need a 5 year plan.

Agreed, but we have too many posters placing this on Melo as if he owes them something. He doesn't. Just like we don't owe him anything. Both parties must do what is in their best interests. BOTH. I wonder if fans would feel the same if KP was in this situation.

[GONYK]

Normally a buyout is agreed to for less than the guaranteed salary. If they were to reach an agreement both sides would have to meet each other half way.

I really don't see the point in keeping him. Even if you want to bench him, you still have to pay him, so why even deal with all that drama? Why drag the team through another season of distraction and everything being about Melo? He is owed his money regardless, so might as well try to workout some type of agreement to buy him out and end the drama.

They don't want to buy him out but they will bring him back to a rebuilding team and cut down his role, for what? Just to somehow justify and say he's "earned" his paycheck even though he really wont be? Makes no sense

For a buyout to even be entertained, Melo has to exercise his ETO and take a discount on the current season.

Knicks aren't buying him out of a 2 year deal when he can just walk at the end of the season if he wanted to.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Don't hate him. Just shows where his priorities lie. There are at 3 4 places that have interest. Maybe 5. I would'nt doubt Toronto would make a good offer. But it seems if he doesn't get Houston. Hes content staying in a rebuilding situation and not doing anything substantial on the last few years of his contract. Can't blame the guy its alot of money and his family is here. But thought winning would be more important to him than it is.

This is the last year of his deal. He may pick up next year if we keep him, but maybe not. No last few years involved on this deal.

[Fat]

It's always us stuck in these lame situations. Can't wait till the season starts Houston overachieves and lose interest while we fight for a pointless 10th seed

[Thugger HBC]

That's why I said organically.

It's happening whether he likes it or not. We saw it last year. The offense was not centered around him in my honest opinion. It wasn't centered around anyone really.

More of the same this year with another scorer coming in (Timmy), a scorer that can actually relieve him(Beas) and KP hopefully becoming more aggressive in year three.

We will see his attempts fall more.
The key with him will be to see him stay fresh. Nothing over 30 minutes is ideal but I don't know what the hell Jeff will do.

I don't recall seeing it last year. melo took the most shots by a wide margin AND shot worse than the majority of starters doing so. The offense was basically "do you", Jeff had no scheme whatsoever.

Just curious, what's the interest in him "staying fresh"?

He took less shots than the year before.

The interest would be to keep him performing and healthy so that a trade is still on the table possibly.

The bold is 100% wrong. he shot more on worse efficiency despite having D. rose heisting shots every chance he got.

Melo trade value isn't very good no matter how "fresh" he is. he's a declining player who's best skill is diminishing rapidly. If anything keeping him fresh helps the team he joins, which is why if it were me...he goes nowhere.

He can opt out at the end of the year if he wants to leave so bad.

[HEZI]

Normally a buyout is agreed to for less than the guaranteed salary. If they were to reach an agreement both sides would have to meet each other half way.

I really don't see the point in keeping him. Even if you want to bench him, you still have to pay him, so why even deal with all that drama? Why drag the team through another season of distraction and everything being about Melo? He is owed his money regardless, so might as well try to workout some type of agreement to buy him out and end the drama.

They don't want to buy him out but they will bring him back to a rebuilding team and cut down his role, for what? Just to somehow justify and say he's "earned" his paycheck even though he really wont be? Makes no sense

For a buyout to even be entertained, Melo has to exercise his ETO and take a discount on the current season.

Knicks aren't buying him out of a 2 year deal when he can just walk at the end of the season if he wanted to.

If he wanted to, but chances are he won't. Why would he walk away from 21 million dollars? No contender will have the cap space to sign him to that type of deal next summer, so why should he leave that money on the table? No reason for him to do it

[Thugger HBC]

Melo has a right to exercise his NTC.

The Knicks have a right to say no to a bad trade that's only good for him.

The NTC doesn't mean the Knicks have to trade him if he wants to leave.

Mills & Perry have already put it forth. We're rebuilding with or without Melo being here. If he's here, his fans can keep buying tickets to watch him play the rest of his prime away with no real shot at winning. If he's gone, we can accelerate the rebuild.

Personally I'm fine either way. Knicks finally need a 5 year plan.

Agreed, but we have too many posters placing this on Melo as if he owes them something. He doesn't. Just like we don't owe him anything. Both parties must do what is in their best interests. BOTH. I wonder if fans would feel the same if KP was in this situation.

The Knicks don't have to do anything that in Melo's interest other than continue to pay him. That's the only thing they have to do.

[GONYK]

Normally a buyout is agreed to for less than the guaranteed salary. If they were to reach an agreement both sides would have to meet each other half way.

I really don't see the point in keeping him. Even if you want to bench him, you still have to pay him, so why even deal with all that drama? Why drag the team through another season of distraction and everything being about Melo? He is owed his money regardless, so might as well try to workout some type of agreement to buy him out and end the drama.

They don't want to buy him out but they will bring him back to a rebuilding team and cut down his role, for what? Just to somehow justify and say he's "earned" his paycheck even though he really wont be? Makes no sense

For a buyout to even be entertained, Melo has to exercise his ETO and take a discount on the current season.

Knicks aren't buying him out of a 2 year deal when he can just walk at the end of the season if he wanted to.

If he wanted to, but chances are he won't. Why would he walk away from 21 million dollars? No contender will have the cap space to sign him to that type of deal next summer, so why should he leave that money on the table? No reason for him to do it

So then there is no reason for the Knicks to buy him out. It's better to hold on to him and try and get an asset for him, since the only way he can get out of NY to a contender is via trade.

[HEZI]

For a buyout to even be entertained, Melo has to exercise his ETO and take a discount on the current season.

Knicks aren't buying him out of a 2 year deal when he can just walk at the end of the season if he wanted to.

If he wanted to, but chances are he won't. Why would he walk away from 21 million dollars? No contender will have the cap space to sign him to that type of deal next summer, so why should he leave that money on the table? No reason for him to do it

So then there is no reason for the Knicks to buy him out. It's better to hold on to him and try and get an asset for him, since the only way he can get out of NY is via trade.

Isn't that what we've been trying to do for months now? We're not getting any assets for him unless we eat another big contract in return