"A Tale of 2 Hardawayz"

[Knicksfan1992]

Have a feeling Timmy blossoms into an Allan Houston type. Can score from anywhere and develops a mean pull up jumper. Think he reaches the 20 point per game mark at some point with the Knicks. Question is can we be good enough defensively down the line to really be a good team. It'll be interesting to see where the FO goes from here. We've got enough potential scoring IMO. Hardaway and KP can both be good to great number 2 scoring options. I wonder if the FO is focusing on defense next year. Gotta think they will. Get all the offensive talent you can early and find the junkyard dog type players later to fill out the roster. It's an interesting approach we'll see if it pays off

[Jalen Bluntson]

I have hopes he earns that money. I have hopes that Frank is a starting level PG. I have hopes Baker is a stud backup PG/Combo guard. I have hopes that Billy gets his defense up to Marc Gasol lite range. I have hope that Dotson is a solid bench player at least. I have hope that Jeff proves to be a good HC and Perry a good GM. I have hopes that KP becomes a top player in this league. I have hopes we continue to draft well and possibly get a high lottery pick this year. That's a conflicting hope though.

Hope is good. Like Andy Dufrense said in Shawshank...Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things.

All that hope looks like it will take at least this season to get on track so hopefully, as they develop individually and as a unit, losses pile up due to lack of chemistry, inexperience, lack of developed overall talent. Adding one of the studs in next year's draft could go a long way to speeding up the rebuild.

Either way...we need to draft well and develop the kids we have no matter where we pick.

Later today the rebuild/KP era has officially begun on the court. Next Tuesday we get our first real look at it.

[god shammgod]

Have a feeling Timmy blossoms into an Allan Houston type. Can score from anywhere and develops a mean pull up jumper. Think he reaches the 20 point per game mark at some point with the Knicks. Question is can we be good enough defensively down the line to really be a good team. It'll be interesting to see where the FO goes from here. We've got enough potential scoring IMO. Hardaway and KP can both be good to great number 2 scoring options. I wonder if the FO is focusing on defense next year. Gotta think they will. Get all the offensive talent you can early and find the junkyard dog type players later to fill out the roster. It's an interesting approach we'll see if it pays off

with what money ? we're capped out next year too.

we might trade a few veterans but we won't get much for them. so this and whoever we draft next year will be the team for 18-19 too.

[mugzi]

I don't always agree with Mecca but when he posts metrics like this he's spot on. Stay analytical my friend.

[thebuzzardman]

A concern:

A lot of the Knicks look good in transition. Knicks will be taking the ball out of the net too much to do enough of it.

This is a general statement, not a Timmy statement. I think Timmy looks plenty fine in the halfcourt too.

[Knicksfan1992]

Have a feeling Timmy blossoms into an Allan Houston type. Can score from anywhere and develops a mean pull up jumper. Think he reaches the 20 point per game mark at some point with the Knicks. Question is can we be good enough defensively down the line to really be a good team. It'll be interesting to see where the FO goes from here. We've got enough potential scoring IMO. Hardaway and KP can both be good to great number 2 scoring options. I wonder if the FO is focusing on defense next year. Gotta think they will. Get all the offensive talent you can early and find the junkyard dog type players later to fill out the roster. It's an interesting approach we'll see if it pays off

with what money ? we're capped out next year too.

we might trade a few veterans but we won't get much for them. so this and whoever we draft next year will be the team for 18-19 too.

Key is getting Enes to opt out. If he opts out and KOQ and Dougie McDermott are not brought back (99% certain KOQ opts out or is traded at the deadline to a contender) we'd be at 76,285,459 assuming everyone else is staying next year. Cap was around 100 million this year and is only trending upwards. We have plenty of flexibility going forward into next year. I proposed signing Nerlens who I believe is a perfect fit next to KP.

Think you're being too pessimistic here. Even if we can't get Enes to opt out I don't think Lee is untradeable which would slightly make up the difference between Enes opting in anyway. We're fine cap-wise going forward.

[F N 11]

Basically when given an opportunity, HE SHINED!! End of story. If you cant give credit where credit is due you are a hater.

[thebuzzardman]

ZOMG! He's overpaid. Sky is falling. (Half the board here)

Somehow worse because of the salt flowing around because their hero Melo got dealt.

[F N 11]

For once the knicks snagged a player who was on the upper end of his NBA career and still growing. However the only number people will see is 71. Timmy is tailor made for Jeff Hornacek. Timmy is one of the fastest in transition. He also loves quick 3's and hits them at a high clip. Timmy also likes to drive way more now and pick his spots. He's going to be here for a long time.

[thebuzzardman]

My worry about the transition game is the Knicks let other teams shoot 58% for the year and never get to get out on the break

[GONYK]

My worry about the transition game is the Knicks let other teams shoot 58% for the year and never get to get out on the break

But man, those 8 times a game that the other team misses, watch out!

We should at least have an advantage on the boards, which will help.

[TankCommander17]

Where is the caveat where he did all this in a contract year? And we have 30+ years of data on how that usually goes.

[Mecca]

Where is the caveat where he did all this in a contract year? And we have 30+ years of data on how that usually goes.

We also have 30+ years of data of players improving drastically starting at the age 24 season. L.

[TankCommander17]

Where is the caveat where he did all this in a contract year? And we have 30+ years of data on how that usually goes.

We also have 30+ years of data of players improving drastically starting at the age 24 season. L.

Not where his peak in a contract year is 15ppg/2/2 while being a role player.

Please find that data. Then come back to me. The players who improve GREATLY after 24 are usually star players.

Also saying L doesn't mean much other than you are too lazy to back up your statement with data. But whatever makes you think you are cool and won an argument when you really didn't.

[Mecca]

Where is the caveat where he did all this in a contract year? And we have 30+ years of data on how that usually goes.

We also have 30+ years of data of players improving drastically starting at the age 24 season. L.

Not where his peak in a contract year is 15ppg/2/2 while being a role player.

Please find that data. Then come back to me. The players who improve GREATLY after 24 are usually star players.

Also saying L doesn't mean much other than you are too lazy to back up your statement with data. But whatever makes you think you are cool and won an argument when you really didn't.

Too lazy to back up my statement with data? I wrote a 1,500 word post with multiple statistics citing it. You come in with 3 sentences. FOH.

[TankCommander17]

We also have 30+ years of data of players improving drastically starting at the age 24 season. L.

Not where his peak in a contract year is 15ppg/2/2 while being a role player.

Please find that data. Then come back to me. The players who improve GREATLY after 24 are usually star players.

Also saying L doesn't mean much other than you are too lazy to back up your statement with data. But whatever makes you think you are cool and won an argument when you really didn't.

Too lazy to back up my statement with data? I wrote a 1,500 word post with multiple statistics citing it. You come in with 3 sentences. FOH.

Go look at KD. Lebron. Curry.
Or sg like Klay , Mc collum,

There stats for the most part after 24 stay within a very narrow ragne. There is no huge jump anywhere. And these are top players.

You just said that there is ton of data that players drastically improve after 24. That is false. Take your stats and your "L". Did I do that right?

[TankCommander17]

Also Bazemore had the same impact in his contract year in that same system. He got his money then went back to being a scrub.

Tim is what he is. We overpayed. If you think he is going to make a massive jump then you are going against the grain. Players are what they are after 3 to 4 years in the league. Stat wise they stay the same. They grow in IQ and pick their spots better.

So if you are happy with that contract for 15ppg/2/2 then yeah he was a good deal. But some of us are not happy with that production for what we payed.

[Mecca]

Not where his peak in a contract year is 15ppg/2/2 while being a role player.

Please find that data. Then come back to me. The players who improve GREATLY after 24 are usually star players.

Also saying L doesn't mean much other than you are too lazy to back up your statement with data. But whatever makes you think you are cool and won an argument when you really didn't.

Too lazy to back up my statement with data? I wrote a 1,500 word post with multiple statistics citing it. You come in with 3 sentences. FOH.

Go look at KD. Lebron. Curry.
Or sg like Klay , Mc collum,

There stats for the most part after 24 stay within a very narrow ragne. There is no huge jump anywhere. And these are top players.

You just said that there is ton of data that players drastically improve after 24. That is false. Take your stats and your "L". Did I do that right?

If you weren't a previously banned troll, I would care what you say.

[TankCommander17]

Too lazy to back up my statement with data? I wrote a 1,500 word post with multiple statistics citing it. You come in with 3 sentences. FOH.

Go look at KD. Lebron. Curry.
Or sg like Klay , Mc collum,

There stats for the most part after 24 stay within a very narrow ragne. There is no huge jump anywhere. And these are top players.

You just said that there is ton of data that players drastically improve after 24. That is false. Take your stats and your "L". Did I do that right?

If you weren't a previously banned troll, I would care what you say.

This is not trolling. This is facts. Go look at any superstar stats at 24 and after. You will see that their stats keep within a very narrow range. +-.5 to 1 ppg/rbpg/aspg. It doesn't fluctuate. There is no huge jump.

That is why I am saying this take that Tim will somehow make a huge jump is not realistic. If at 24 on his contract year he is 15ppg/2/2 that is what he is. He might even get worse like Bazemore because it was a contract year and he is not a star.

That is why this contract was so terrible.

[Mecca]

Go look at KD. Lebron. Curry.
Or sg like Klay , Mc collum,

There stats for the most part after 24 stay within a very narrow ragne. There is no huge jump anywhere. And these are top players.

You just said that there is ton of data that players drastically improve after 24. That is false. Take your stats and your "L". Did I do that right?

If you weren't a previously banned troll, I would care what you say.

This is not trolling. This is facts. Go look at any superstar stats at 24 and after. You will see that their stats keep within a very narrow range. +-.5 to 1 ppg/rbpg/aspg. It doesn't fluctuate. There is no huge jump.

That is why I am saying this take that Tim will somehow make a huge jump is not realistic. If at 24 on his contract year he is 15ppg/2/2 that is what he is. He might even get worse like Bazemore because it was a contract year and he is not a star.

That is why this contract was so terrible.

If he plays like he did the last 50 games, 18 PPG on good %'s is reasonable. Now exit my thread.