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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#21 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:21 pm

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Knickstape1214 wrote:How the hell are they gonna try and justify this? NOBODY wanted this besides these three twathead **** ****.


Are you up on the legal chain of contesting this in the courts? Something worth following


Honestly, I wouldn't know where to begin. I'm more in-tune with commercial / business law, IP, and employment. The firm I work at does data and privacy law, so maybe there's something there - I've only dabbled with a few things in that area, as of right now. :-?
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#22 » by Im Coming Home » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:22 pm

It's not over, FCC repealing was expected.
It now goes to the courts, where there will be a better, more balanced discussion on the conversation.
It's not over.

Court proceedings will likely have a TRO (stay) issued on enactment of the regulation until the issue is litigated in court, and that may take years on its own (hopefully enough that Trump is gone and NN can be made permanent).

New York's Attorney General filed a lawsuit as soon as it was passed.

http://www.king5.com/mobile/article/tech/washington-to-sue-after-fcc-votes-to-repeal-net-neutrality/499471526

There's still a bill in Congress. https://www.wired.com/story/after-fcc-vote-net-neutrality-fight-moves-to-courts-congress/amp
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#23 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:23 pm

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Clyde_Style wrote:The hacking of the comment period was yet another example of the depraved corruption that circles around this administration.

Ajit Pai is one of the grossest of the bunch. They don't even pretend to have a shred of decency.


Not only the hacking itself, but the fact that they refused to comply with the NY Attorney General's investigation into the hacks. They're being sued using the Freedom of Information Act for withholding info from the public as well. It's ugly what they just did.


This administration and the top GOP leadership want to play power politics while flaunting legal process. The Trump era is abjectly in defiance of the rule of law.

I knew this was what would happen if Trump were elected because when your top person is an authoritarian without an effing clue about or respect for how governance works you instill a climate of lawlessness. Power literally trumps due process.

In other words, the ethos of this executive branch is if you can get away with something you darn well try until you are stopped.

This is a lawless rodeo right now.

The backlash is going to get bigger every step they take in this direction.

The rule of law will haunt so many of these douchebags in the not too distant future. I hope Ajit Pai goes to prison in 2019.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#24 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:24 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:How the hell are they gonna try and justify this? NOBODY wanted this besides these three twathead **** ****.


Are you up on the legal chain of contesting this in the courts? Something worth following


Honestly, I wouldn't know where to begin. I'm more in-tune with commercial / business law, IP, and employment. The firm I work at does data and privacy law, so maybe there's something there - I've only dabbled with a few things in that area, as of right now. :-?


Might be something to follow. Your understanding of legal process would get you up to speed on it faster than most people IMO.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#25 » by Capn'O » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:25 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:I hope Ajit Pai goes to prison in 2019.


Yeah? Well I hope he goes to prison in 2017.

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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#26 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:26 pm

Oscirus wrote:This presidency is a bank for trump. He's setting it up so he makes bank once he becomes a private citizen he could give a **** about non investors. This is why you don't elect a businessman to be president.


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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#27 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:27 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Are you up on the legal chain of contesting this in the courts? Something worth following


Honestly, I wouldn't know where to begin. I'm more in-tune with commercial / business law, IP, and employment. The firm I work at does data and privacy law, so maybe there's something there - I've only dabbled with a few things in that area, as of right now. :-?


Might be something to follow. Your understanding of legal process would get you up to speed on it faster than most people IMO.


Yeah, I'm definitely going to. I follow the cases that interest me and this one interests me and (the current result) infuriates me.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#28 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:27 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
Honestly, I wouldn't know where to begin. I'm more in-tune with commercial / business law, IP, and employment. The firm I work at does data and privacy law, so maybe there's something there - I've only dabbled with a few things in that area, as of right now. :-?


Might be something to follow. Your understanding of legal process would get you up to speed on it faster than most people IMO.


Yeah, I'm definitely going to. I follow the cases that interest me and this one interests me and (the current result) infuriates me.


Good. Keep us posted.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#29 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:28 pm

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Clyde_Style wrote:Scumbags

Another clearcut demonstration of this administration's 100% corporatist ideology. Citizens don't count for anything, just big bucks

Yet another victory for stupidity and the stupid people that support these aholes

Still will be court challenges though so the fight is not over


Trump is basically just putting right wing populist shine on the SOS the Republican party has always stood for, and quite honestly, the Democratic party too, at least since the early 90's and probably sooner. Don't get it all twisted armchair conservatives on here. I'm saying the Dems are as corrupt the last 27 years AT LEAST.

It's just sad.


Corruption exists across the spectrum, but NAH, the GOP has turned into effing Jonestown and the koolaid allows these Jim Jones MF'ers to squeeze the lifeblood out of anything for profit.

The Democrats have never been this craven.

The difference between parties grows starker as moderate Republicans peel away and are left floating looking for somewhere to land.

The future is a rabid far right base that rubber stamps anything the GOP wants even though the majority of those people are being screwed by whom they support and are too stupid to know it.


At the risk of this whole thing being locked, I sort of feel they were both bad in a pretty significant way, say, mid 90's to mid around 2005, and then brand of conservatism being pushed on the rubes in the country got uglier and uglier, until it basically became the mainstream of the party, and agreed, within that, the republicans started getting that much more naked in their agenda, especially last 4 years.

I thought after the crash of 2007 it would really be a reset of people's attitudes towards government, which would have lead politicians to check their behavior, but it's almost as if they cooled their heels for a couple of years, saw any outrage die down, and figured "Wow, if we put that over on everyone, there isn't anything we CAN'T get away with"
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#30 » by j4remi » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:29 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:This administration and the top GOP leadership want to play power politics while flaunting legal process. The Trump era is abjectly in defiance of the rule of law.

I knew this was what would happen if Trump were elected because when your top person is an authoritarian without an effing clue about or respect for how governance works you instill a climate of lawlessness. Power literally trumps due process.

In other words, the ethos of this executive branch is if you can get away with something you darn well try until you are stopped.

This is a lawless rodeo right now.

The backlash is going to get bigger every step they take in this direction.

The rule of law will haunt so many of these douchebags in the not too distant future. I hope Ajit Pai goes to prison in 2019.


The most slept on story of this administration is their mad rush to load the courts with judges top to bottom wherever they can. The GOP is passing these cats even when they aren't qualified. So if things are bad now, it'll be even harder to fight in the courts if everything plays out this way. They're digging a hole that will be hard to get out of.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#31 » by IllmaticHandler » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:29 pm

Im Coming Home wrote:It's not over, FCC repealing was expected.
It now goes to the courts, where there will be a better, more balanced discussion on the conversation.
It's not over.

Court proceedings will likely have a TRO (stay) issued on enactment of the regulation until the issue is litigated in court, and that may take years on its own (hopefully enough that Trump is gone and NN can be made permanent).

New York's Attorney General filed a lawsuit as soon as it was passed.

http://www.king5.com/mobile/article/tech/washington-to-sue-after-fcc-votes-to-repeal-net-neutrality/499471526

There's still a bill in Congress. https://www.wired.com/story/after-fcc-vote-net-neutrality-fight-moves-to-courts-congress/amp


Its over. This is just the fluff to make it look like it wont stand. In the end it will stand. I bet anything on that.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#32 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:32 pm

j4remi wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:This administration and the top GOP leadership want to play power politics while flaunting legal process. The Trump era is abjectly in defiance of the rule of law.

I knew this was what would happen if Trump were elected because when your top person is an authoritarian without an effing clue about or respect for how governance works you instill a climate of lawlessness. Power literally trumps due process.

In other words, the ethos of this executive branch is if you can get away with something you darn well try until you are stopped.

This is a lawless rodeo right now.

The backlash is going to get bigger every step they take in this direction.

The rule of law will haunt so many of these douchebags in the not too distant future. I hope Ajit Pai goes to prison in 2019.


The most slept on story of this administration is their mad rush to load the courts with judges top to bottom wherever they can. The GOP is passing these cats even when they aren't qualified. So if things are bad now, it'll be even harder to fight in the courts if everything plays out this way. They're digging a hole that will be hard to get out of.


Everyone always assumes the hardcore conservative agenda is to get the country back to the 1950's, or pre "Great Society".

I think people miss the point and the era they are aiming for is the 1890's.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#33 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:34 pm

j4remi wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:This administration and the top GOP leadership want to play power politics while flaunting legal process. The Trump era is abjectly in defiance of the rule of law.

I knew this was what would happen if Trump were elected because when your top person is an authoritarian without an effing clue about or respect for how governance works you instill a climate of lawlessness. Power literally trumps due process.

In other words, the ethos of this executive branch is if you can get away with something you darn well try until you are stopped.

This is a lawless rodeo right now.

The backlash is going to get bigger every step they take in this direction.

The rule of law will haunt so many of these douchebags in the not too distant future. I hope Ajit Pai goes to prison in 2019.


The most slept on story of this administration is their mad rush to load the courts with judges top to bottom wherever they can. The GOP is passing these cats even when they aren't qualified. So if things are bad now, it'll be even harder to fight in the courts if everything plays out this way. They're digging a hole that will be hard to get out of.


You are correct. This is a multi-generational hijack.

Through court appointments, the gutting of non-partisan professionals from multiple branches of government and executive actions the damage done to unwind 50 years of progress has been enormous.

That's the actual legacy of this soon to be short-lived jihad and it will echo for decades. They didn't need to pass any meaningful legislation. Mission has largely been accomplished.

The Bannon Leninist ideology of self-destruction from within actually did leave a massive imprint on this administration because it largely coincided with the 1% and corporate desire for deregulation and less taxation.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#34 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:35 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
j4remi wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:This administration and the top GOP leadership want to play power politics while flaunting legal process. The Trump era is abjectly in defiance of the rule of law.

I knew this was what would happen if Trump were elected because when your top person is an authoritarian without an effing clue about or respect for how governance works you instill a climate of lawlessness. Power literally trumps due process.

In other words, the ethos of this executive branch is if you can get away with something you darn well try until you are stopped.

This is a lawless rodeo right now.

The backlash is going to get bigger every step they take in this direction.

The rule of law will haunt so many of these douchebags in the not too distant future. I hope Ajit Pai goes to prison in 2019.


The most slept on story of this administration is their mad rush to load the courts with judges top to bottom wherever they can. The GOP is passing these cats even when they aren't qualified. So if things are bad now, it'll be even harder to fight in the courts if everything plays out this way. They're digging a hole that will be hard to get out of.


Everyone always assumes the hardcore conservative agenda is to get the country back to the 1950's, or pre "Great Society".

I think people miss the point and the era they are aiming for is the 1890's.


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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#35 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:37 pm

IllmaticHandler wrote:
Im Coming Home wrote:It's not over, FCC repealing was expected.
It now goes to the courts, where there will be a better, more balanced discussion on the conversation.
It's not over.

Court proceedings will likely have a TRO (stay) issued on enactment of the regulation until the issue is litigated in court, and that may take years on its own (hopefully enough that Trump is gone and NN can be made permanent).

New York's Attorney General filed a lawsuit as soon as it was passed.

http://www.king5.com/mobile/article/tech/washington-to-sue-after-fcc-votes-to-repeal-net-neutrality/499471526

There's still a bill in Congress. https://www.wired.com/story/after-fcc-vote-net-neutrality-fight-moves-to-courts-congress/amp


Its over. This is just the fluff to make it look like it wont stand. In the end it will stand. I bet anything on that.


From what I've gathered, most people actually appear to be against it from all sides. I wouldn't be surprised if in the end it is returned and these 3 jackasses end up having their wishes overturned. Definitely going to be something to follow through the courts because law firms are going to be all over this.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#36 » by Garbagelo » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:37 pm

It's not as bad as people are making this out to be.

There is a case to be heard for both sides.

Please read up on the other side.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#37 » by Im Coming Home » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:38 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:
Im Coming Home wrote:It's not over, FCC repealing was expected.
It now goes to the courts, where there will be a better, more balanced discussion on the conversation.
It's not over.

Court proceedings will likely have a TRO (stay) issued on enactment of the regulation until the issue is litigated in court, and that may take years on its own (hopefully enough that Trump is gone and NN can be made permanent).

New York's Attorney General filed a lawsuit as soon as it was passed.

http://www.king5.com/mobile/article/tech/washington-to-sue-after-fcc-votes-to-repeal-net-neutrality/499471526

There's still a bill in Congress. https://www.wired.com/story/after-fcc-vote-net-neutrality-fight-moves-to-courts-congress/amp


Its over. This is just the fluff to make it look like it wont stand. In the end it will stand. I bet anything on that.


From what I've gathered, most people actually appear to be against it from all sides. I wouldn't be surprised if in the end it is returned and these 3 jackasses end up having their wishes overturned. Definitely going to be something to follow through the courts because law firms are going to be all over this.

And as far as I know, nothing of this can even take effect until it goes through the courts, so we have time to fix this situation/stall it. Its not an overnight/instant thing.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#38 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:39 pm

Garbagelo wrote:It's not as bad as people are making this out to be.

There is a case to be heard for both sides.

Please read up on the other side.


It is as bad as people are making it out to be and the case for the other side is complete ****.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#39 » by WajaBawl » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:40 pm

I'm not American so I'm not sure how the actual process work. Just to be clear, the FCC voted to repeal Net-Neutrality (which we already knew would happen) but Congress still hasn’t voted it in yet right?
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Post#40 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:41 pm

Garbagelo wrote:It's not as bad as people are making this out to be.

There is a case to be heard for both sides.

Please read up on the other side.


No. These are issues where the other side is dependent on common sense actions, i.e. you have to TRUST the other side to do the right thing.

But you give an inch and giant companies will take a mile. It could be immediately or it could be incrementally over the years.

And then you wake up one day and wonder why the web eco-system got funneled only through the giant platforms and independent sites everywhere died off as their traffic trickled to a slow death.

Sorry, but good faith in the actions of big corporations doesn't cut it. It is black and white because of that.

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