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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#21 » by cgmw » Thu Aug 2, 2018 10:33 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:Water is wet. What gets done about it? That's all I want to know.


Manafort is on trial # 1 this week and it is moving very fast so expect the first conviction to be handed down this month.

Rick Gates is Manafort's partner in crime and turned stated witness. He was in the room when Donald Trump verbally approved the meeting in Trump Tower with the Russians for the hand-off of stolen data. Michael Cohen was in the room too.

That's two corroborating witnesses who can identify Trump as being a 100% willing collaborator with a foreign power to rig the election. That's treason. There is no escaping that now, it is just a matter of time.

Further, Donald Jr. lied during testimony to congress that his father knew nothing about the meeting. So Donald Jr. will go to prison also unless he turns on his father.

We've already reached the turning point in the investigation and it is turning into prosecution now, so it is happening.

Nobody wants Trump out more than I do, but you're conflating two issues.

Mafia connections are only relevant in Mueller's report if they can be tied to collusion. The he-said he-said of Gates/Cohen is something totally different.

I'd love if Mueller had the balls to publish a report detailing Trump's financial entanglements with the Russian mob, but it's hard to see how he'll be able to tie it concretely to a collusion conspiracy.

If what you're saying is that Mueller is going to uncover FINANCIAL high crimes through Trump's Russian connections, then I'm listening. But the mob doesn't seem to have much to do with whether Cohen and Gates can corroborate each other over the Trump Tower meeting.
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Post#23 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Aug 2, 2018 10:47 pm

In before the QAnon fans.

Might be too late.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#24 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Aug 2, 2018 10:49 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:Water is wet. What gets done about it? That's all I want to know.


Manafort is on trial # 1 this week and it is moving very fast so expect the first conviction to be handed down this month.

Rick Gates is Manafort's partner in crime and turned stated witness. He was in the room when Donald Trump verbally approved the meeting in Trump Tower with the Russians for the hand-off of stolen data. Michael Cohen was in the room too.

That's two corroborating witnesses who can identify Trump as being a 100% willing collaborator with a foreign power to rig the election. That's treason. There is no escaping that now, it is just a matter of time.

Further, Donald Jr. lied during testimony to congress that his father knew nothing about the meeting. So Donald Jr. will go to prison also unless he turns on his father.

We've already reached the turning point in the investigation and it is turning into prosecution now, so it is happening.


Sounds great. I won't hold my breath. Is Pence involved?


Yes, Pence was chosen by Manafort AKA Putin.

Pence's brother was a senior executive at Cummins (diesel engines) and was very wired into Russia which is one of Cummins biggest customers.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mike-pences-brother-russian-military/

Pence ran the transition team. He's on the hook for a lot for that reason alone

https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/18/politics/mike-pence-michael-flynn-trump-russia/index.html

While Pence is known as some kind of holy roller, at this point it is also a cover for other things.

Pence has had a direct relationship with the Russian Orthodox church which is the state-sanctioned Christianity of Russia now. The Orthodox church leaders are deep inside Putin's pocket. If Pence was deeply tied to the Russian Orthodox Church then he is deeply tied to Putin. The two simply do not exist independently of one another.

Just like Putin co-opted the American gun rights movement by literally buying the NRA, he has done the same with evangelicals

https://thinkprogress.org/religious-right-russia-3e80e2ea2e4a/

This administration and a great deal of its cabinet meets Putin criteria for a Russian-friendly regime when you take into account Trump, Pence, Flynn, Betsy DeVos (sister of Erik Prince) and Wilbur Ross (laundered money for Putin as leader of a Cypriot bank; Cyprus had been the focal point of money transfers out of Russia).
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#25 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Aug 2, 2018 10:49 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:Water is wet. What gets done about it? That's all I want to know.


Manafort is on trial # 1 this week and it is moving very fast so expect the first conviction to be handed down this month.

Rick Gates is Manafort's partner in crime and turned stated witness. He was in the room when Donald Trump verbally approved the meeting in Trump Tower with the Russians for the hand-off of stolen data. Michael Cohen was in the room too.

That's two corroborating witnesses who can identify Trump as being a 100% willing collaborator with a foreign power to rig the election. That's treason. There is no escaping that now, it is just a matter of time.

Further, Donald Jr. lied during testimony to congress that his father knew nothing about the meeting. So Donald Jr. will go to prison also unless he turns on his father.

We've already reached the turning point in the investigation and it is turning into prosecution now, so it is happening.


Sounds great. I won't hold my breath. Is Pence involved?


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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#26 » by awy » Thu Aug 2, 2018 10:51 pm

i recommend the book Red Mafiya for some background reading.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#27 » by DOT » Thu Aug 2, 2018 10:52 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:In before the QAnon fans.

Might be too late.

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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#28 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Aug 2, 2018 10:59 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Manafort is on trial # 1 this week and it is moving very fast so expect the first conviction to be handed down this month.

Rick Gates is Manafort's partner in crime and turned stated witness. He was in the room when Donald Trump verbally approved the meeting in Trump Tower with the Russians for the hand-off of stolen data. Michael Cohen was in the room too.

That's two corroborating witnesses who can identify Trump as being a 100% willing collaborator with a foreign power to rig the election. That's treason. There is no escaping that now, it is just a matter of time.

Further, Donald Jr. lied during testimony to congress that his father knew nothing about the meeting. So Donald Jr. will go to prison also unless he turns on his father.

We've already reached the turning point in the investigation and it is turning into prosecution now, so it is happening.


Sounds great. I won't hold my breath. Is Pence involved?


Yes, Pence was chosen by Manafort AKA Putin.

Pence's brother was a senior executive at Cummins (diesel engines) and was very wired into Russia which is one of Cummins biggest customers.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mike-pences-brother-russian-military/

Pence ran the transition team. He's on the hook for a lot for that reason alone

https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/18/politics/mike-pence-michael-flynn-trump-russia/index.html

While Pence is known as some kind of holy roller, at this point it is also a cover for other things.

Pence has had a direct relationship with the Russian Orthodox church which is the state-sanctioned Christianity of Russia now. The Orthodox church leaders are deep inside Putin's pocket. If Pence was deeply tied to the Russian Orthodox Church then he is deeply tied to Putin. The two simply do not exist independently of one another.

Just like Putin co-opted the American gun rights movement by literally buying the NRA, he has done the same with evangelicals

https://thinkprogress.org/religious-right-russia-3e80e2ea2e4a/

This administration and a great deal of its cabinet meets Putin criteria for a Russian-friendly regime when you take into account Trump, Pence, Flynn, Betsy DeVos (sister of Erik Prince) and Wilbur Ross (laundered money for Putin as leader of a Cypriot bank; Cyprus had been the focal point of money transfers out of Russia).


Sounds like the shyt could hit the fan. I'm not buying it until it happens. I don't trust ANYONE in govt or the agencies. I don't trust any media either. For a long time. Things have gotten so corrupt and it's a rabbit hole that can destroy this country. Not sure how far they'll let the damage spread.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#29 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Aug 2, 2018 10:59 pm

cgmw wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:Water is wet. What gets done about it? That's all I want to know.


Manafort is on trial # 1 this week and it is moving very fast so expect the first conviction to be handed down this month.

Rick Gates is Manafort's partner in crime and turned stated witness. He was in the room when Donald Trump verbally approved the meeting in Trump Tower with the Russians for the hand-off of stolen data. Michael Cohen was in the room too.

That's two corroborating witnesses who can identify Trump as being a 100% willing collaborator with a foreign power to rig the election. That's treason. There is no escaping that now, it is just a matter of time.

Further, Donald Jr. lied during testimony to congress that his father knew nothing about the meeting. So Donald Jr. will go to prison also unless he turns on his father.

We've already reached the turning point in the investigation and it is turning into prosecution now, so it is happening.

Nobody wants Trump out more than I do, but you're conflating two issues.

Mafia connections are only relevant in Mueller's report if they can be tied to collusion. The he-said he-said of Gates/Cohen is something totally different.

I'd love if Mueller had the balls to publish a report detailing Trump's financial entanglements with the Russian mob, but it's hard to see how he'll be able to tie it concretely to a collusion conspiracy.

If what you're saying is that Mueller is going to uncover FINANCIAL high crimes through Trump's Russian connections, then I'm listening. But the mob doesn't seem to have much to do with whether Cohen and Gates can corroborate each other over the Trump Tower meeting.


I'm not conflating anything. You're mixing it up. I'm keeping it separate, but I can understand why you think that.

There's two Manafort trials. First one now is not related to collusion. The second one in September is.

Mueller is empowered to follow ANY criminal activity uncovered during the course of his investigation.

And since the way to understand the connections is to "follow the money" you discover many additional crimes in the process.

If Manafort is a tough nut to crack, he will either cop a plea deal after losing this case since he will die in prison or he'll just go to jail because he fears Putin's poisons and may want the rest of his family to live. So Mueller tried him on the financial crimes first to give Paul the option to spill his guts on the collusion aspects behind closed doors. That's just basic strategy on Mueller's part.

Cohen and Gates corroborating the Tower meeting is unrelated to mafia issues, but is obviously a collusion issue. In which case, that Cohen and Gates are mob-connected people themselves is not particularly relevant.

But everything is relevant when it comes to legal leverage and Mueller has plenty of it. Using financial crimes, some of which relates to mafia stuff, some not, is simply part of the process.

Mueller dismantled John Gotti and brought him to justice. He knows how to open the pinata without spilling the guts all at once.

And I've told people for 18 months that Muellers approach to this case has been a RICO case and a criminal investigation of the GOP. That means the RNC and the GOP are in a dragnet that frames the national republican party as a criminal organization. Almost a year ago I predicted the NRA would go out of business due to it being a money funnel for Putin to buy the GOP and it looks like I was spot on.

So, yes, this is very much a criminal investigation that will lead to the proof of treason.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#30 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Aug 2, 2018 11:04 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Sounds great. I won't hold my breath. Is Pence involved?


Yes, Pence was chosen by Manafort AKA Putin.

Pence's brother was a senior executive at Cummins (diesel engines) and was very wired into Russia which is one of Cummins biggest customers.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mike-pences-brother-russian-military/

Pence ran the transition team. He's on the hook for a lot for that reason alone

https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/18/politics/mike-pence-michael-flynn-trump-russia/index.html

While Pence is known as some kind of holy roller, at this point it is also a cover for other things.

Pence has had a direct relationship with the Russian Orthodox church which is the state-sanctioned Christianity of Russia now. The Orthodox church leaders are deep inside Putin's pocket. If Pence was deeply tied to the Russian Orthodox Church then he is deeply tied to Putin. The two simply do not exist independently of one another.

Just like Putin co-opted the American gun rights movement by literally buying the NRA, he has done the same with evangelicals

https://thinkprogress.org/religious-right-russia-3e80e2ea2e4a/

This administration and a great deal of its cabinet meets Putin criteria for a Russian-friendly regime when you take into account Trump, Pence, Flynn, Betsy DeVos (sister of Erik Prince) and Wilbur Ross (laundered money for Putin as leader of a Cypriot bank; Cyprus had been the focal point of money transfers out of Russia).


Sounds like the shyt could hit the fan. I'm not buying it until it happens. I don't trust ANYONE in govt or the agencies. I don't trust any media either. For a long time. Things have gotten so corrupt and it's a rabbit hole that can destroy this country. Not sure how far they'll let the damage spread.


One of the worst things you can do is say everyone is corrupt and let it all bake into you as all things being roughly equivalent. They are not.

We are dealing with an unprecedented level of corruption here predicated on selling out our national interests to a foreign power. Just because past politicians have been criminals, immoral or on the take does not mean this is par for the course.

Not even Richard Nixon was a traitor. He was corrupt and had to resign, but he was not a traitor. Stay focused please.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#31 » by Kampuchea » Thu Aug 2, 2018 11:07 pm

Not even sure what’s real news anymore. Screw it
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Post#32 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Aug 2, 2018 11:09 pm

Kampuchea wrote:Not even sure what’s real news anymore. Screw it


It is not difficult to discern.

You may not want to make the effort to figure that out, but that's on you.
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Post#33 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Aug 2, 2018 11:11 pm

awy wrote:i recommend the book Red Mafiya for some background reading.


This looks really good, added to my list. Thanks.
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Post#34 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Aug 2, 2018 11:12 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Yes, Pence was chosen by Manafort AKA Putin.

Pence's brother was a senior executive at Cummins (diesel engines) and was very wired into Russia which is one of Cummins biggest customers.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mike-pences-brother-russian-military/

Pence ran the transition team. He's on the hook for a lot for that reason alone

https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/18/politics/mike-pence-michael-flynn-trump-russia/index.html

While Pence is known as some kind of holy roller, at this point it is also a cover for other things.

Pence has had a direct relationship with the Russian Orthodox church which is the state-sanctioned Christianity of Russia now. The Orthodox church leaders are deep inside Putin's pocket. If Pence was deeply tied to the Russian Orthodox Church then he is deeply tied to Putin. The two simply do not exist independently of one another.

Just like Putin co-opted the American gun rights movement by literally buying the NRA, he has done the same with evangelicals

https://thinkprogress.org/religious-right-russia-3e80e2ea2e4a/

This administration and a great deal of its cabinet meets Putin criteria for a Russian-friendly regime when you take into account Trump, Pence, Flynn, Betsy DeVos (sister of Erik Prince) and Wilbur Ross (laundered money for Putin as leader of a Cypriot bank; Cyprus had been the focal point of money transfers out of Russia).


Sounds like the shyt could hit the fan. I'm not buying it until it happens. I don't trust ANYONE in govt or the agencies. I don't trust any media either. For a long time. Things have gotten so corrupt and it's a rabbit hole that can destroy this country. Not sure how far they'll let the damage spread.


One of the worst things you can do is say everyone is corrupt and let it all bake into you as all things being roughly equivalent. They are not.

We are dealing with an unprecedented level of corruption here predicated on selling out our national interests to a foreign power. Just because past politicians have been criminals, immoral or on the take does not mean this is par for the course.

Not even Richard Nixon was a traitor. He was corrupt and had to resign, but he was not a traitor. Stay focused please.


Nixon removed us from the Gold Standard and tied our economy to oil that doesn't belong to us. The petro dollar is behind decades of corruption in our govt. Decades of wars. Regime change. Etc. Not a good example IMO.

I never said anything about par for the course. It's not truly shocking either. Where were all of these reports during his campaign? All of this stuff was swept under the rug. He was painted as a family man and great businessman. All of these things were known BEFORE he became president. His mob ties. His Russian ties. All known and ignored. Now he's president. Why did it take so long to come out?
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Post#35 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Aug 2, 2018 11:15 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Sounds like the shyt could hit the fan. I'm not buying it until it happens. I don't trust ANYONE in govt or the agencies. I don't trust any media either. For a long time. Things have gotten so corrupt and it's a rabbit hole that can destroy this country. Not sure how far they'll let the damage spread.


One of the worst things you can do is say everyone is corrupt and let it all bake into you as all things being roughly equivalent. They are not.

We are dealing with an unprecedented level of corruption here predicated on selling out our national interests to a foreign power. Just because past politicians have been criminals, immoral or on the take does not mean this is par for the course.

Not even Richard Nixon was a traitor. He was corrupt and had to resign, but he was not a traitor. Stay focused please.


Nixon removed us from the Gold Standard and tied our economy to oil that doesn't belong to us. The petro dollar is behind decades of corruption in our govt. Decades of wars. Regime change. Etc. Not a good example IMO.

I never said anything about par for the course. It's not truly shocking either. Where were all of these reports during his campaign? All of this stuff was swept under the rug. He was painted as a family man and great businessman. All of these things were known BEFORE he became president. His mob ties. His Russian ties. All known and ignored. Now he's president. Why did it take so long to come out?


I read about most of these things listed during the campaign.

Two reasons, as a guess.
That weird "fair play" doctrine, even when someone is lying to your face as a journalist
90% of all journalists are kind of lazy.
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Post#36 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Aug 2, 2018 11:23 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Sounds like the shyt could hit the fan. I'm not buying it until it happens. I don't trust ANYONE in govt or the agencies. I don't trust any media either. For a long time. Things have gotten so corrupt and it's a rabbit hole that can destroy this country. Not sure how far they'll let the damage spread.


One of the worst things you can do is say everyone is corrupt and let it all bake into you as all things being roughly equivalent. They are not.

We are dealing with an unprecedented level of corruption here predicated on selling out our national interests to a foreign power. Just because past politicians have been criminals, immoral or on the take does not mean this is par for the course.

Not even Richard Nixon was a traitor. He was corrupt and had to resign, but he was not a traitor. Stay focused please.


Nixon removed us from the Gold Standard and tied our economy to oil that doesn't belong to us. The petro dollar is behind decades of corruption in our govt. Decades of wars. Regime change. Etc. Not a good example IMO.

I never said anything about par for the course. It's not truly shocking either. Where were all of these reports during his campaign? All of this stuff was swept under the rug. He was painted as a family man and great businessman. All of these things were known BEFORE he became president. His mob ties. His Russian ties. All known and ignored. Now he's president. Why did it take so long to come out?


Did you miss the election thread I ran for six brawling months in 2016 right here on this Knicks forum? Because it was put out there.

And nobody has ever portrayed Trump as a family man. Where did you get that? If anything, being a degenerate creep became his selling point. He's been well known as a lewd, grab-assy, coke-sniffing jackass by New Yorkers since the 80s and in some watered down form of that in the national media, but never as the boy next door.

It took Mark Burnett to market Trump as a successful businessman even though Trump's career is a trail of broken businesses and has never paid a loan in full in his life. Sober people know Trump doesn't understand economics and that his blunt force transactional view of reality has nothing to do with how successful businessmen operate or how functional government works.

His mob ties and Russian ties were well reported before 2016. I posted tons of data about this in 2016.

You are correct about one thing though. The MSM medium feasted on the circus of the Trump campaign and when they did investigate him they never went very far and we know the reason for that. Revenues. The earnings of the NY Times and CNN jumped because of Trump coverage, so they split the difference and only reported scandalous stuff they couldn't sidestep, but not enough to derail the cash cow that Trump became.

The irony is the cult believes the MSM is unfair to Trump. That's backwards. They have been quite lenient on him because tens of millions of people who had never followed politics became news junkies followed what the latest train wreck statement coming out of Donald Trump's mouth was. And that paid a lot of the MSM's bills. And that cycle will now flip as Trump goes down in flames. At that point, it is more profitable to indulge in the carnage and drag him through the streets which he has earned.

And finally, what does the gold standard have to do with this?

I said Nixon was NOT a traitor, not that I love his policies or that he was a good guy.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#37 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Aug 2, 2018 11:28 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
One of the worst things you can do is say everyone is corrupt and let it all bake into you as all things being roughly equivalent. They are not.

We are dealing with an unprecedented level of corruption here predicated on selling out our national interests to a foreign power. Just because past politicians have been criminals, immoral or on the take does not mean this is par for the course.

Not even Richard Nixon was a traitor. He was corrupt and had to resign, but he was not a traitor. Stay focused please.


Nixon removed us from the Gold Standard and tied our economy to oil that doesn't belong to us. The petro dollar is behind decades of corruption in our govt. Decades of wars. Regime change. Etc. Not a good example IMO.

I never said anything about par for the course. It's not truly shocking either. Where were all of these reports during his campaign? All of this stuff was swept under the rug. He was painted as a family man and great businessman. All of these things were known BEFORE he became president. His mob ties. His Russian ties. All known and ignored. Now he's president. Why did it take so long to come out?


I read about most of these things listed during the campaign.

Two reasons, as a guess.
That weird "fair play" doctrine, even when someone is lying to your face as a journalist
90% of all journalists are kind of lazy.


It was ignored for the most part. It should have been blown up like it is now. For whatever reason...it was not. Wouldn't you think this would have hurt his chances? He should have NEVER been allowed to win the nomination let alone the WH.

The rabbit hole runs real deep. People on "both sides of the aisle" are in that hole.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#38 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Aug 2, 2018 11:54 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Nixon removed us from the Gold Standard and tied our economy to oil that doesn't belong to us. The petro dollar is behind decades of corruption in our govt. Decades of wars. Regime change. Etc. Not a good example IMO.

I never said anything about par for the course. It's not truly shocking either. Where were all of these reports during his campaign? All of this stuff was swept under the rug. He was painted as a family man and great businessman. All of these things were known BEFORE he became president. His mob ties. His Russian ties. All known and ignored. Now he's president. Why did it take so long to come out?


I read about most of these things listed during the campaign.

Two reasons, as a guess.
That weird "fair play" doctrine, even when someone is lying to your face as a journalist
90% of all journalists are kind of lazy.


It was ignored for the most part. It should have been blown up like it is now. For whatever reason...it was not. Wouldn't you think this would have hurt his chances? He should have NEVER been allowed to win the nomination let alone the WH.

The rabbit hole runs real deep. People on "both sides of the aisle" are in that hole.


See Clyde's answer. It's much better and pretty much spot on. Mine are just a couple of additional snarky points.

Without having to rehash EVERY.SINGLE.THING about corruption, etc in the US of A, of course there's bad stuff all the way around. That doesn't remove the fact that perhaps some people are a little more guilty than others.

You know, lots of whataboutism about the Clintons etc. Guess what? Conservatives control the house, senate and judiciary and have had TWO YEARS to do something about it her/them. I think the Clintons are sh*ts. I really do. Probably dirty, certainly morally corrupt. The conservatives have had two years with complete control of the mechanisms of the federal government. They should have had at it. Instead, I haven't seen Hilary (who I can't stand) brought to trial. Maybe there isn't enough there. With at least 50% of the country foaming at the mouth to see her hang from a tree, you'd think good politics would have had her on trial by now. Wonder why not...

Here's my little statement I always roll out for my pro Trump friends and whataboutists:

The urges that got Trump elected were by and large good ones. People are disgusted with government that has become too corrupt and not beholden enough to interests of the vast majority of it's citizens. Sprinkle in economic hardship (really part and parcel of the first sentence) and pissed off populism is the result. Liberal populism expresses itself in Bernie Sanders kind of guys, Conservative populism in Trump kind of guys. If not either of these guys, would have been someone like them.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#39 » by Jeffrey » Fri Aug 3, 2018 12:34 am

Im Coming Home wrote:Honestly regardless of 'what side you're on' the amount of corruption and things being dismissed during Trumps presidency is really astounding. Obama's 'scandals' were stupid stuff like birth certificates which he would end up proving, and stuff like that. Trump on the other hand has been called out on so many scandals, and has made so many out of touch comments such as needing ID to buy groceries??? (the man obviously hasn't gone grocery shopping for himself ever).. its just amazing how much he can get away with and how much the right-wing media is willing to dismiss.

Its honestly really scary right now the state the US is in from a moral standpoint.


Either trump has mental illness or so far beyond out of touch with reality. He once thought health insurance cost 12 dollars a month or something like that. If he really believes this... these are the type of filthy rich silver spoon babies that is so out of whack from what a common American goes through is troubling. I just can't explain his thought process or his perspective in an average man's life.

He's that guy at a billionaire's charity and whines about how these smelly subway riders can travel like this. Why not effing take a helicopter to your work place?!
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#40 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Aug 3, 2018 12:38 am

Jeffrey wrote:
Im Coming Home wrote:Honestly regardless of 'what side you're on' the amount of corruption and things being dismissed during Trumps presidency is really astounding. Obama's 'scandals' were stupid stuff like birth certificates which he would end up proving, and stuff like that. Trump on the other hand has been called out on so many scandals, and has made so many out of touch comments such as needing ID to buy groceries??? (the man obviously hasn't gone grocery shopping for himself ever).. its just amazing how much he can get away with and how much the right-wing media is willing to dismiss.

Its honestly really scary right now the state the US is in from a moral standpoint.


Either trump has mental illness or so far beyond out of touch with reality. He once thought health insurance cost 12 dollars a month or something like that. If he really believes this... these are the type of filthy rich silver spoon babies that is so out of whack from what a common American goes through is troubling. I just can't explain his thought process or his perspective in an average man's life.

He's that guy at a billionaire's charity and whines about how these smelly subway riders can travel like this. Why not effing take a helicopter to your work place?!


Trump said this week you need I.D. to buy groceries. He's a moron.

He's so silver spoon he has never shopped for himself once in his life.

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