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Post#21 » by BKlutch » Sun Feb 3, 2019 6:13 pm

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That **** was false what Mannix said. ESPN didn’t do enough due diligence as journalists there too.

There were many reports that Perry kept it under wraps for weeks to months as he did his own due diligence and explored trades. Something like NINE Teams he spoke to just to get an idea of what he could get.

Theeeeeeen he called Porzingis into his office Wednesday to directly ask Porzingis what he wants to do and know where he stood. Once Porzingis said he wanted to be traded, Perry executed ONE of the trades he had been discussing (it also helped that the Mavs had been in town for a game).

ESPN and some of the journalists are just mad that Perry was able to close leaks and keep it soooooooooo much under wraps. Including the prick Woj. :nonono:

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Perry really did this as covertly as could be expected. He's good at this stuff

Either he kept it from leaking or they reacted in a knee jerk way and made the move without planning or due dilligance

I’d like to give them the benifit if the doubt

The number of tweets and stories coming out now that there were negotiations to trade KP for a while suggests that this was just kept well under wraps, and you're right to give him the benefit of the doubt. He seems to be a little cold blooded - he didn't flinch when trading away our "savior" and risking the wrath of all Knicks fans, should this not work out well. He did what he saw as the best path forward for us.

If we manage to sign 2 max players, or if we don't, our future looks great. And if we sign 2 max players PLUS AD, we're contending right away.
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Post#22 » by Villalona » Sun Feb 3, 2019 6:15 pm

Would NO entertain this offer?

To NY
Anthony Davis

To NO
Kevin Knox
Frank Ntilikina
Emmanuel Mudiay
Mario Hezonja
Lance Thomas
Luke Kornet
3 1st round picks (Both from Dallas and NY's 2020)

If so, NY could still sign Durant but has to create some wiggle room with DSJ/Trier/Dotson etc. in order to sign Irving. That potentially gives a 4 headed monster of Davis, Zyon, Durant, Irving and a bunch of minimum vets. This must be Mills pipe dream...
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Post#23 » by NY2k1 » Sun Feb 3, 2019 6:18 pm

Villalona wrote:Would NO entertain this offer?

To NY
Anthony Davis

To NO
Kevin Knox
Frank Ntilikina
Emmanuel Mudiay
Mario Hezonja
Lance Thomas
Luke Kornet
3 1st round picks (Both from Dallas and NY's 2020)



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Post#24 » by SmoothLefty21 » Sun Feb 3, 2019 6:21 pm

2010 wrote:Playing devil's advocate here but why are we so convinced KD + Kyrie will take us anywhere?

Like for real, what did KD ever win before joining an all-time great completely STACKED team?

KD couldn't win it with Westbrook. What makes us so confident about the prospects of him pairing up with Kyrie?

#justsaying


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Post#25 » by Stannis » Sun Feb 3, 2019 6:23 pm

For those wondering what woke means:

"Woke: The act or state of being woke"
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Post#26 » by MrOrange » Sun Feb 3, 2019 6:36 pm

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Rasho Brezec wrote:I get it, it's the same everywhere, this is not a NY thing. If anything, fans in the US are tame and civilized compared to the rest of the world. You had people burning Lebron jerseys when he bolted to Miami, and most people laughed at that. In Europe, players have their families threatened if they transfer to the wrong team. They get spat on, have coins and lighters thrown at them during the game. I even saw a cellphone land on the court one time.

I just think it's pointless to get worked up about it. He got what he wanted, Knicks got what they wanted, it's over. No need to make it personal when it really isn't.


It'll be best when everyone moves on, but Porzingis' actions since he came here are what makes this personal to NYC.

It's not about his petulant attitude, immaturity, or passive aggression. Those are annoying and a potential harbinger of worse to come, but not what made this "personal", IMO.

What did that was the way Kristaps clung to NYC mannerisms and style in public in order to ingratiate himself to fans and boost his image. I think most people cringed a little, but in the end loved it - or even tolerated it - because he was "our guy" and it showed he wanted to be here.

I'm talking about him using social media to pose with Timbs on, calling people "b", and using "deadass" and "facts" unironically. That might seem like inconsequential stuff to you, but those are highly specific cultural things to NYC that don't matter much beyond "yo, this dude is a cornball" at worst if you think the guy is harmless or on your side, but once he gets petty, disruptive, and attempts to dictate to you while checking out of the city it's going to justifiably spawn vitriol.

You were out here not getting checked on your foreign-kid-in-NYC routine because you held an important position and really seemed to be trying hard to be a part of things. It was cute that someone from such a different culture came to the bright lights and appeared to be going all in on the experience. But when it turns out that it was mostly fraudulent then yeah, the bill comes due and it's personal for a while - if not forever.



Then on the way out you use "stay woke" - again, unironically - you're going to get rightfully slaughtered by the city. You are not one of us, you are not part of this. It's time to move on to appropriating "y'all", "fixin'", "right quick", and "bless your heart".


OK, I get this point. It is a valid point Even in Latvia KP, but even more so - his bros - often come out as posers, there has always been a sense of insincerity and overcalculation about him and them. Too much PR too little substance. Having said that I think you are mistaken on one thing - the cultural differences between contemporary Latvians and Americans are really minute. Perhaps he just tried too hard to be a New Yorker. The second issue I would like to oppose is putting all the blame on him there is a saying that one log does not burn Nobody really knows what happened between KP and FO since AD's announcement not to stay in NO, which I think triggered it all
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Post#27 » by SelbyCobra » Sun Feb 3, 2019 6:54 pm

Knicks sensed it was coming to a head, got prepared, and struck quickly with clean and efficient execution as soon as the Porzingans made their move.

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Post#28 » by NoLayupRule » Sun Feb 3, 2019 7:14 pm

2010 wrote:Playing devil's advocate here but why are we so convinced KD + Kyrie will take us anywhere?

Like for real, what did KD ever win before joining an all-time great completely STACKED team?

KD couldn't win it with Westbrook. What makes us so confident about the prospects of him pairing up with Kyrie?

#justsaying
well kd did get them to the finals and did get them to the western conference finals more than once

But he’s a better player today then he was in okc
Experience goes a long way
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Post#29 » by NoLayupRule » Sun Feb 3, 2019 7:15 pm

BKlutch wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Perry really did this as covertly as could be expected. He's good at this stuff

Either he kept it from leaking or they reacted in a knee jerk way and made the move without planning or due dilligance

I’d like to give them the benifit if the doubt

The number of tweets and stories coming out now that there were negotiations to trade KP for a while suggests that this was just kept well under wraps, and you're right to give him the benefit of the doubt. He seems to be a little cold blooded - he didn't flinch when trading away our "savior" and risking the wrath of all Knicks fans, should this not work out well. He did what he saw as the best path forward for us.

If we manage to sign 2 max players, or if we don't, our future looks great. And if we sign 2 max players PLUS AD, we're contending right away.

Just to be clear
We can’t sogn two maxes and get AD

But it’s a fun fantasy
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Re: FA/Trade Rumors & Discussion - Durant, Kyrie, AD, etc 

Post#30 » by magnumt » Sun Feb 3, 2019 7:16 pm

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2010 wrote:Playing devil's advocate here but why are we so convinced KD + Kyrie will take us anywhere?

Like for real, what did KD ever win before joining an all-time great completely STACKED team?

KD couldn't win it with Westbrook. What makes us so confident about the prospects of him pairing up with Kyrie?

#justsaying
well kd did get them to the finals and did get them to the western conference finals more than once

But he’s a better player today then he was in okc
Experience goes a long way


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Post#31 » by Bob Ross » Sun Feb 3, 2019 7:22 pm

2010 wrote:Playing devil's advocate here but why are we so convinced KD + Kyrie will take us anywhere?

Like for real, what did KD ever win before joining an all-time great completely STACKED team?

KD couldn't win it with Westbrook. What makes us so confident about the prospects of him pairing up with Kyrie?

#justsaying


That's kinda fair. I dont believe that KD & co would be coming to play with this team as is. I would assume all but one or two of the kids will be traded with picks for impact vets.

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Post#32 » by BB_Fan » Sun Feb 3, 2019 8:00 pm

You go all in on Draft Night for AD.

If AD is here KD will have confidence to come here. KD will give a discount to sign 3rd Max (Kyrie) . You will have a super team of
AD/KD/Kyrie/ Jordan(MLE). Ring chasers will join for min.

KD has two rings and will win 3rd this year. He would like to form super team in NY (AD/KD/Kyrie) to win 3 more rings. That will get him 6 rings in 7 final appearances. NY Media will make him GOAT. Few Miliion discount is not much for someone who will make more than 500M in his career (endorsements, Business deals)

Look for a super team in New York that will win NBA Championship. Dolan will sell knicks for Over 5B . Everbody is happy - Dolan, KD and Fans.
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Post#33 » by Milk » Sun Feb 3, 2019 8:07 pm

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Post#34 » by RodyTur10 » Sun Feb 3, 2019 8:11 pm

Celtics fan here. I have been reading a lot of rumours and a lot of that is based on false information. That's not specifically this forum, but I feel the need to counter some of these rumours.

First of all the idea that Irving has his mind on leaving the Celtics. That is untrue. He literally said during pre-season presentation: ''If you guys will have me back, I plan on re-signing here''. Then after all these rumours about LA and New York he came out and responded again, because he was annoyed that his name was thrown in all that stuff (what he called: ''This is dumb ****'').

And then after questions about his future by journalists he said: ''I still have confidence in Boston and what they can offer for the future.'' Then a journalist asked him if anything had changed, since October, Irving frustratingly replied ''Ask me about it July 1st''. Postgame against the Knicks, Irving added: ''I have a focus on winning a championship this year and even me saying something like that isn't concrete enough for anybody''.

The reason why Irving hasn't signed an extension yet is simple: money. By waiting until July 1st, his new contract will be based on the increased salary cap and he can sign a 5-year contract for $188 million, instead of a 4-year extension for $101 million. And the Celtics will give him that extension. They won't let him walk and commit to Rozier to save money. Rozier is a good player, but Irving is clearly better.

In the unlikely case that Irving does decide to leave (anything can happen in the NBA, locker room incidents, fall outs with coaches, injuries etc.), you can be sure that he isn't going to the Lakers. The reason why he wanted out of Cleveland was LeBron James and now he would jump on the opportunity to come back? Be real, that's ridiculous.

Are the Knicks in play? Well at the moment I don't think so. Why did he have the Knicks on his list and not Boston?

Well, that's quite easy, Irving wanted to lead his own team and not play in the shadow of LeBron. At that time if you remember, Boston was the main rival of Cleveland and had just played the Conference Finals against each other and point guard Isaiah Thomas was the star player of the Celtics. To be asked to be traded to that team would look extremely weird and unlikely. That it happened was something very few people had foreseen. I can tell you that Celtics fans were shocked (me personally was surprised, but loved it instantly).

What if the Knicks trade for Anthony Davis and sign Kevin Durant, will Irving join them? I don't think that anyone can answer that question. However I do have some practical questions. Lets assume (big assumption) that Irving, Durant and Davis have mutual interest to play together in New York. First problem is that Davis can't chose where he's going to go, the Pelicans are in charge. So who's going to be the first to commit to that plan? What if Durant's and Irving's agent inform the New York FO that they're looking to sign there if they trade for Davis and New Orleans declines the offer? What if that information comes out? Is New York willing to risk everything on Davis, without the guarantee that Durant goes there?

My advice to the Knicks would be to sign Kemba Walker, which could be possible since the Hornets are going nowhere. Then sign some players to short contracts (like resigning Matthews and Jordan). In the weak East that can get you to the playoffs I think. And in 2-3 years, when your young guys have gained some playoff experience you try to sign a big free agent, just before the rookie contracts expire. Steadily progression gets you further than shooting for the stars.
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Post#35 » by BB_Fan » Sun Feb 3, 2019 8:17 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:
BKlutch wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:Either he kept it from leaking or they reacted in a knee jerk way and made the move without planning or due dilligance

I’d like to give them the benifit if the doubt

The number of tweets and stories coming out now that there were negotiations to trade KP for a while suggests that this was just kept well under wraps, and you're right to give him the benefit of the doubt. He seems to be a little cold blooded - he didn't flinch when trading away our "savior" and risking the wrath of all Knicks fans, should this not work out well. He did what he saw as the best path forward for us.

If we manage to sign 2 max players, or if we don't, our future looks great. And if we sign 2 max players PLUS AD, we're contending right away.

Just to be clear
We can’t sogn two maxes and get AD

But it’s a fun fantasy


I can say KD will give a discount to form a super team of AD/KD/Kyrie. Their salary will come under cap - AD(27), Kyrie(35) and KD(38). Jordan will come under MLE and other ring chasers will sign for Minimum.

KD has two rings and win his third now. If he forms a super team in New York with AD , Kyrie and Jordan (MLE) it will help him win three more rings. KD gets 6 rings and NY Media will make him GOAT . Same number of rings as MJ.

KD will make more than 500M thru endorsements and business deals. A few million less will compensate become a legend in basketball. In New York he becomes the leader and gets championship banner. LeBron has three rings and will diminish his legacy.
It is KD way to get back at LeBron.

I am sure the KP trade was executed when AD asked for a trade. This is all planned
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Post#36 » by Knick4Real » Sun Feb 3, 2019 8:26 pm

Wonderllama wrote:Is the Mavs deal the best possible trade the Knicks could have gotten? I don't believe so. Not by a long shot.


KNICKS needed a team with a certain amount of assets AND the ability/interest to absorb the contracts of THJr and Courtney Lee. Look around the league and tell me who would have been a better trade partner than Dallas to pull all that off?? I'll wait...
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Post#37 » by Fury » Sun Feb 3, 2019 8:29 pm

RodyTur10 wrote:Celtics fan here. I have been reading a lot of rumours and a lot of that is based on false information. That's not specifically this forum, but I feel the need to counter some of these rumours.

First of all the idea that Irving has his mind on leaving the Celtics. That is untrue. He literally said during pre-season presentation: ''If you guys will have me back, I plan on re-signing here''. Then after all these rumours about LA and New York he came out and responded again, because he was annoyed that his name was thrown in all that stuff (what he called: ''This is dumb ****'').

And then after questions about his future by journalists he said: ''I still have confidence in Boston and what they can offer for the future.'' Then a journalist asked him if anything had changed, since October, Irving frustratingly replied ''Ask me about it July 1st''. Postgame against the Knicks, Irving added: ''I have a focus on winning a championship this year and even me saying something like that isn't concrete enough for anybody''.

The reason why Irving hasn't signed an extension yet is simple: money. By waiting until July 1st, his new contract will be based on the increased salary cap and he can sign a 5-year contract for $188 million, instead of a 4-year extension for $101 million. And the Celtics will give him that extension. They won't let him walk and commit to Rozier to save money. Rozier is a good player, but Irving is clearly better.

In the unlikely case that Irving does decide to leave (anything can happen in the NBA, locker room incidents, fall outs with coaches, injuries etc.), you can be sure that he isn't going to the Lakers. The reason why he wanted out of Cleveland was LeBron James and now he would jump on the opportunity to come back? Be real, that's ridiculous.

Are the Knicks in play? Well at the moment I don't think so. Why did he have the Knicks on his list and not Boston?

Well, that's quite easy, Irving wanted to lead his own team and not play in the shadow of LeBron. At that time if you remember, Boston was the main rival of Cleveland and had just played the Conference Finals against each other and point guard Isaiah Thomas was the star player of the Celtics. To be asked to be traded to that team would look extremely weird and unlikely. That it happened was something very few people had foreseen. I can tell you that Celtics fans were shocked (me personally was surprised, but loved it instantly).

What if the Knicks trade for Anthony Davis and sign Kevin Durant, will Irving join them? I don't think that anyone can answer that question. However I do have some practical questions. Lets assume (big assumption) that Irving, Durant and Davis have mutual interest to play together in New York. First problem is that Davis can't chose where he's going to go, the Pelicans are in charge. So who's going to be the first to commit to that plan? What if Durant's and Irving's agent inform the New York FO that they're looking to sign there if they trade for Davis and New Orleans declines the offer? What if that information comes out? Is New York willing to risk everything on Davis, without the guarantee that Durant goes there?

My advice to the Knicks would be to sign Kemba Walker, which could be possible since the Hornets are going nowhere. Then sign some players to short contracts (like resigning Matthews and Jordan). In the weak East that can get you to the playoffs I think. And in 2-3 years, when your young guys have gained some playoff experience you try to sign a big free agent, just before the rookie contracts expire. Steadily progression gets you further than shooting for the stars.


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Post#38 » by BB_Fan » Sun Feb 3, 2019 8:30 pm

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Wonderllama wrote:Is the Mavs deal the best possible trade the Knicks could have gotten? I don't believe so. Not by a long shot.


KNICKS needed a team with a certain amount of assets AND the ability/interest to absorb the contracts of THJr and Courtney Lee. Look around the league and tell me who would have been a better trade partner than Dallas to pull all that off?? I'll wait...


That is best deal. They get DeAndre Jordan and will sign him for MLE in a super team of AD/KD/Kyrie. Mathews will sign for minimum to chase a ring. Carmelo will also sign for minimum and for his last season. I like Mavs trade as they got Assets two FRP they needed for AD trade. I think Scott Perry made a great deal.
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Post#39 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Feb 3, 2019 8:30 pm

RodyTur10 wrote:Celtics fan here. I have been reading a lot of rumours and a lot of that is based on false information. That's not specifically this forum, but I feel the need to counter some of these rumours.

First of all the idea that Irving has his mind on leaving the Celtics. That is untrue. He literally said during pre-season presentation: ''If you guys will have me back, I plan on re-signing here''. Then after all these rumours about LA and New York he came out and responded again, because he was annoyed that his name was thrown in all that stuff (what he called: ''This is dumb ****'').

And then after questions about his future by journalists he said: ''I still have confidence in Boston and what they can offer for the future.'' Then a journalist asked him if anything had changed, since October, Irving frustratingly replied ''Ask me about it July 1st''. Postgame against the Knicks, Irving added: ''I have a focus on winning a championship this year and even me saying something like that isn't concrete enough for anybody''.

The reason why Irving hasn't signed an extension yet is simple: money. By waiting until July 1st, his new contract will be based on the increased salary cap and he can sign a 5-year contract for $188 million, instead of a 4-year extension for $101 million. And the Celtics will give him that extension. They won't let him walk and commit to Rozier to save money. Rozier is a good player, but Irving is clearly better.

In the unlikely case that Irving does decide to leave (anything can happen in the NBA, locker room incidents, fall outs with coaches, injuries etc.), you can be sure that he isn't going to the Lakers. The reason why he wanted out of Cleveland was LeBron James and now he would jump on the opportunity to come back? Be real, that's ridiculous.

Are the Knicks in play? Well at the moment I don't think so. Why did he have the Knicks on his list and not Boston?

Well, that's quite easy, Irving wanted to lead his own team and not play in the shadow of LeBron. At that time if you remember, Boston was the main rival of Cleveland and had just played the Conference Finals against each other and point guard Isaiah Thomas was the star player of the Celtics. To be asked to be traded to that team would look extremely weird and unlikely. That it happened was something very few people had foreseen. I can tell you that Celtics fans were shocked (me personally was surprised, but loved it instantly).

What if the Knicks trade for Anthony Davis and sign Kevin Durant, will Irving join them? I don't think that anyone can answer that question. However I do have some practical questions. Lets assume (big assumption) that Irving, Durant and Davis have mutual interest to play together in New York. First problem is that Davis can't chose where he's going to go, the Pelicans are in charge. So who's going to be the first to commit to that plan? What if Durant's and Irving's agent inform the New York FO that they're looking to sign there if they trade for Davis and New Orleans declines the offer? What if that information comes out? Is New York willing to risk everything on Davis, without the guarantee that Durant goes there?

My advice to the Knicks would be to sign Kemba Walker, which could be possible since the Hornets are going nowhere. Then sign some players to short contracts (like resigning Matthews and Jordan). In the weak East that can get you to the playoffs I think. And in 2-3 years, when your young guys have gained some playoff experience you try to sign a big free agent, just before the rookie contracts expire. Steadily progression gets you further than shooting for the stars.

sorry brah but irving is gone. it's better you accept it now.
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Post#40 » by Knick4Real » Sun Feb 3, 2019 8:37 pm

2010 wrote:Playing devil's advocate here but why are we so convinced KD + Kyrie will take us anywhere?

Like for real, what did KD ever win before joining an all-time great completely STACKED team?

KD couldn't win it with Westbrook. What makes us so confident about the prospects of him pairing up with Kyrie?

#justsaying


It's called taking a HUGE step forward. KD is arguably the 2nd best player in today's NBA. If you have a chance to get him and see what you can build, what team DOESN'T do it?? That's exactly what the entire league is about to try and do in his upcoming FA anyway.

Regarding Kyrie or anybody else: IF they don't work out, then they're a trade asset to secure someone who does work out.

I don't see the problem here.
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