2019 Offseason Speculation Thread - Something gonna happen but will you like it?

stuporman · Post #21 » by **stuporman** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 4:10 pm

Leeggggoooooooooo!

thebuzzardman · Post #22 » by **thebuzzardman** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 4:35 pm

camby23 wrote:
boogeydown wrote:The Team I would try to put together next year:

DeAndre Jordan/Tyson Chandler
Anthony Davis/ Markieff Morris
Kevin Durant/ Jeff Green/ 2nd round pick
Alonzo Trier/Jamal Crawford/ (G League player)
Kyrie Irving/ Quinn Cook

We sign KD and Kyrie to Max Deals.
Trade for Anthony Davis
Convince DeAndre Jordan to sign for the MLE
Tyson Chandler, Markieff Morris, Jeff Green and Jamal Crawford are already playing for veteran minimum deals and all free agents this year so I think we can convince them to come play here and complete for a championship.
We would be a bit weak at SG but maybe we can find a shooter to come play on a cheap deal as well?

I'd rather have Dotson (we dont have to trade him for AD) and Wayne Ellington for vet.min.

I'd rather Jeff Green not be a part of the team

Post #23 » by **moocow007** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 5:12 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
camby23 wrote:
boogeydown wrote:The Team I would try to put together next year:

DeAndre Jordan/Tyson Chandler
Anthony Davis/ Markieff Morris
Kevin Durant/ Jeff Green/ 2nd round pick
Alonzo Trier/Jamal Crawford/ (G League player)
Kyrie Irving/ Quinn Cook

We sign KD and Kyrie to Max Deals.
Trade for Anthony Davis
Convince DeAndre Jordan to sign for the MLE
Tyson Chandler, Markieff Morris, Jeff Green and Jamal Crawford are already playing for veteran minimum deals and all free agents this year so I think we can convince them to come play here and complete for a championship.
We would be a bit weak at SG but maybe we can find a shooter to come play on a cheap deal as well?

I'd rather have Dotson (we dont have to trade him for AD) and Wayne Ellington for vet.min.

I'd rather Jeff Green not be a part of the team

Yeah. Maybe Durant and Kyrie can give up a few mill each and we go for the better fitting and NY native Green instead. Green can start and Trier can do what he's probably going to be best for...6th man.

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thebuzzardman · Post #24 » by **thebuzzardman** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 5:25 pm

moocow007 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
camby23 wrote:
I'd rather have Dotson (we dont have to trade him for AD) and Wayne Ellington for vet.min.

I'd rather Jeff Green not be a part of the team
Yeah. Maybe Durant and Kyrie can give up a few mill each and we go for the better fitting and NY native Green instead. Green can start and Trier can do what he's probably going to be best for...6th man.

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That's a Green I would want

knickstape4ever · Post #25 » by **knickstape4ever** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 5:33 pm

What's with all these lineups with AD playing PF? In today's game, he's primarily a C. Davis's biggest strength defensively is his rim protection, and if he's playing PF primarily, he'd be pulled out to guard the perimeter more.

not to say that he wont sometimes play the PF if the team decides to go big, but in todays game, with spacing and 3PT shooting being more prevalent, his best position is at the 5

Besart19 · Post #26 » by **Besart19** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 5:51 pm

Davis
Durant
Leonard
Green
Morant

ozwizard8 · Post #27 » by **ozwizard8** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 5:56 pm

If Kd decides to sign with Knicks this would best scenario imo:

Somehow trade the pick+Knox or Frank for A.Davis.
I guess at that point Pelicans would also want to trade Jrue Holiday.
Knicks might as well trade DSJR and 2nd rounders for Jrue. He has huge contract so his value as asset is not great.
But still if we can manage to have Jrue-Durant-AD core that'd be instant contender.
You can always find role players around that core. Knicks already have some. Dotson can play SG, Mitchell Robinson can play C or backup big men role.

Personally I don't think you need Kyrie and KD on same team.
If you ask me to choose a player to save my life with making a basket Kyrie and KD would be on top 3. They're best players to score when its game 7 clutch time. Problem solvers. Teams cant really lock them up when they're healthy.
But do you need two of them on same team? I dont think so.

I'd rather have star players who are good at carrying team wins in regular season to pair with KD.
A.Davis would provide offense and defense to help to team for regular season. He gets injured a lot but still he'd take load off from KD.
And Jrue Holiday is excellent all around PG. He can defend multiple positions. Elite perimeter defender. Really good passer, great guy to control the tempo and enforce coach's gameplan.
Perimeter players including Siakam for Toronto had a lot of issues against big/long Philly team. If your shortest, smallest player is Jrue Holiday you can lock opponent on playoffs.
Pelicans swept Blazers with Jrue-Rondo duo.

If KD's signing with us Jrue-AD duo would be great addition. I think AD worse than Jrue to score when its comes to clutch time and Pelicans issues were related to those moments.
He'd compliment KD good.
Honestly, I dont think any team has 2 players to defend 2 athletic 7 footers.
Add Jrue and other fillers team would be crazy long both in wingspan and height.

Jrue-Dotson-KD-Davis-Robinson
Jrue-Dotson-Knox-KD-Davis

Jeffrey · Post #28 » by **Jeffrey** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 6:13 pm

Jrue Holiday is not a salary dump folks. You're going to have additional assets for him. If NO has a plan in place to acquire additional picks, cheap contracts.. they will do it.

Post #29 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 6:19 pm

boogeydown wrote:The Team I would try to put together next year:

DeAndre Jordan/Tyson Chandler
Anthony Davis/ Markieff Morris
Kevin Durant/ Jeff Green/ 2nd round pick
Alonzo Trier/Jamal Crawford/ (G League player)
Kyrie Irving/ Quinn Cook

We sign KD and Kyrie to Max Deals.
Trade for Anthony Davis
Convince DeAndre Jordan to sign for the MLE
Tyson Chandler, Markieff Morris, Jeff Green and Jamal Crawford are already playing for veteran minimum deals and all free agents this year so I think we can convince them to come play here and complete for a championship.
We would be a bit weak at SG but maybe we can find a shooter to come play on a cheap deal as well?

that backcourt made me sick. you absolutely need a top perimeter defender next to kyrie.

better off starting cook and kyrie than zo and kyrie.

Post #30 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 6:23 pm

Jeffrey wrote:Jrue Holiday is not a salary dump folks. You're going to have additional assets for him. If NO has a plan in place to acquire additional picks, cheap contracts.. they will do it.

he's not. but if they want to rebuild and cash him in, their options may be limited. big salaries still have to match. i wouldn't be surprised if they would try to package their 2 big vet contracts at once for maximum return if the opportunity presented itself.

Post #31 » by **Capn'O** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 6:31 pm

My main objective is that we make a team that makes sense. Get KD and AD? Good. We need somebody with discretion and authority to move the ball around. No Raymond Felton types and hope he turns into something he isn't. And we need a few players that teams will respect to give them space to operate. And so on...

Post #32 » by **moocow007** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 6:32 pm

Some interesting players on the FA list (mixture of both older and younger guys) that may fill a role on a KD based Knick team (and that could fit under their financial situation):

Trevor Ariza - former Knick can bring a little bit if everything off the bench

Aron Baynes - if Jordan is priced out, Baynes could be a fall back, tough mofo

Super Cool Beas - if the Knicks trade away everyone to form the "Big 3" they will need some depth and offense and, Beasley offers that. He's been minimum contracting it for years so financially it'll work.

Jordan Bell - folks loved him out of college a year ago.

Kadeem Allen - honestly he's the type of super cheap guy that winning teams want at the backend of the rotation, hes competitive, he's capable on both ends, etc.

Reggie Bullock - provides some shooting off the bench or at the very least bench depth

Alex Burks - had an uneven season on teams where his role wasn't really defined and situations were a little messy. May be able to get him on a one year vet minimum deal? Major minutes in a make good season? He's only 27 and is extremely talented.

DeMarre Carroll - as a possible MLE or smaller exception candidate? Didn't have a very good playoffs but is a vet that defends and can shoot.

Michael Carter Williams - he is avail and likely can be had for the vet min.

Vince Carter - he's 42 years old but still can provide some minutes off the bench and veteran stability/leadership. Prob also a vet min candidate at this point in his career.

Wilson Chandler - another former Knick that prob projects as a possible vet min player.

Allen Crabbe - shooting wing

Dante Cunningham - veteran SF that brings a strong all around game, toughness and competitiveness. Vet min possible.

Deyonta Davis - 2 year big that looked extremely good for the Hawks in spurts.

James Ennis - if the Knicks plan on running, Ennis is a terrific finisher and would be a good cheap option as a backup forward.

Channing Frye - hey another Knick, still can shoot and is widely viewed as a great locker room guy. Vet min type.

Dwight Howard - the ultimate band wagon signing? Lol. He's never won a title right? I can actually see him doing this.

Amir Johnson - veteran big that can bring experience, intelligence, defense and team play

Stanley Johnson - maybe playing on an uptempo championship caliber team (instead of slow dysfunctional tesms) can turn him around after 3 years of blah play?

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist - has the luster, shine and hype finally worn off after 5 years and consistently declining minutes year after year?

Jeremy Lin - yes, another former Knick. But honestly this might be the perfect time to bring Linsanity back.

Robin Lopez - yes there are a lot of former Knicks that could fit in a return. Assuming they lose Jordan, Robin could be a solid backup option.

Boban Marjanovic - the biggest human being in the NBA supposedly is a ham. Big personality for the end of the bench?

Wes Mathews - technically another former Knick but whereas he didn't fit this past seasons Knicks he actually could be a perfect fit for a Durant based Knicks team.

Patrick McCaw - there's a lot of potential there.

Javale McGee - has been mostly pretty stable and low key in recent years and have played key role on a Warriors championship team. Vet min guy.

Ben McClemore - Knicks have been linked to him on and off. At this point he can be had for the vet min.

Jabari Parker - Knicks rumored to be interested as recently as this past season.

Glenn Robinson III - also a guy rumored in the past to be on the Knicks radar.

Iman Shumpert - you got it, another former Knick. Vet min type.

Ish Smith - would be a perfect backup guard for an high offense team

Nik Stauskas - dud as a lotto pick but can shoot and coming off a nice season

Lance Stephenson - on the right team he can work, and maybe on this team in NY will get him so pumped that we could see the original Pacer version? He can be had for the vet min.

Isaiah Thomas - do could he be sort of a different type of signing? Not sure if he's ready to play. Maybe they can get him for cheap and let him at some point try to get going?

Thaddeus Young - always been a fan of how young plays.

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Post #33 » by **Capn'O** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 6:33 pm

moocow007 wrote:Some interesting players on the FA list that may fill a role on a KD based Knick team (should not cost too much):

Trevor Ariza - former Knick can bring a little bit if everything off the bench

Aron Baynes - if Jordan is priced out, Baynes could be a fall back, tough mofo

Super Cool Beas - if the Knicks trade away everyone to form the "Big 3" they will need some depth and offense and, Beasley offers that. He's been minimum contracting it for years so financially it'll work.

Jordan Bell - folks loved him out of college a year ago.

Kadeem Allen - honestly he's the type of super cheap guy that winning teams want at the backend of the rotation, hes competitive, he's capable on both ends, etc.

Reggie Bullock - provides some shooting off the bench or at the very least bench depth

Alex Burks - had an uneven season on teams where his role wasn't really defined and situations were a little messy. May be able to get him on a one year vet minimum deal? Major minutes in a make good season? He's only 27 and is extremely talented.

DeMarre Carroll - as a possible MLE or smaller exception candidate? Didn't have a very good playoffs but is a vet that defends and can shoot.

Michael Carter Williams - he is avail and likely can be had for the vet min.

Vince Carter - he's 42 years old but still can provide some minutes off the bench and veteran stability/leadership. Prob also a vet min candidate at this point in his career.

Wilson Chandler - another former Knick

Allen Crabbe - shooting wing

Dante Cunningham - veteran SF that brings a strong all around game, toughness and competitiveness.

Deyonta Davis - 2 year big that looked extremely good for the Hawks in spurts.

James Ennis - if the Knicks plan on running, Ennis is a terrific finisher and would be a good cheap option as a backup forward

Channing Frye - hey another Knick, still can shoot and is widely viewed as a great lovker room guy

Dwight Howard - the ultimate band wagon signing? Lol. He's never won a title right?

Amir Johnson - veteran big that can bring experience, intelligence, defense and team play

Stanley Johnson - maybe playing on an uptempo championship caliber team (instead of slow dysfunctional tesms) can turn him around after 3 years of blah play?

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist - has the luster, shine and hype finally worn off after 5 years and consistently declining minutes year after year?

Jeremy Lin - yes, another former Knick. But honestly this might be the perfect time to bring Linsanity back.

Robin Lopez - yes there are a lot of former Knicks that could fit in a return. Assuming they lose Jordan, Robin could be a solid backup option.

Boban Marjanovic - the biggest human being in the NBA supposedly is a ham. Big personality for the end of the bench?

Wes Mathews - technically another former Knick but whereas he didn't fit this past seasons Knicks he actually could be a perfect fit for a Durant based Knicks team.

Patrick McCaw - there's a lot of potential there.

Javale McGee - has been mostly pretty stable and low key in recent years and have played key role on a Warriors championship team.

Ben McClemore - Knicks have been linked to him on and off. At this point he can be had for the vet min.

Jabari Parker - Knicks rumored to be interested as recently as this past season

Glenn Robinson III - also a guy rumored in the past to be on the Knicks radar

Iman Shumpert - you got it, another former Knick

Ish Smith - would be a perfect backup guard for an high offense team

Nik Stauskas - dud as a lotto pick but can shoot and coming off a nice season

Lance Stephenson - on the right team he can work, and maybe on this team in NY will get him so pumped that we could see the original Pacer version? He can be had for the vet min.

Isaiah Thomas - do could he be sort of a different type of signing? Not sure if he's ready to play.

Thaddeus Young - always been a fan of how young plays.

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Damn Moo. That's a lot of thinking about the Knicks.

There's a special opening in BAF that you'd be perfect for. Just saying.

Jeffrey · Post #34 » by **Jeffrey** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 7:17 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
Jeffrey wrote:Jrue Holiday is not a salary dump folks. You're going to have additional assets for him. If NO has a plan in place to acquire additional picks, cheap contracts.. they will do it.

he's not. but if they want to rebuild and cash him in, their options may be limited. big salaries still have to match. i wouldn't be surprised if they would try to package their 2 big vet contracts at once for maximum return if the opportunity presented itself.

Understandable. If Mavs strikeout in FA, they could be looking at Jrue or Mike Conley.

Post #35 » by **moocow007** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 7:31 pm

Capn'O wrote:
moocow007 wrote:Some interesting players on the FA list that may fill a role on a KD based Knick team (should not cost too much):

Trevor Ariza - former Knick can bring a little bit if everything off the bench

Aron Baynes - if Jordan is priced out, Baynes could be a fall back, tough mofo

Super Cool Beas - if the Knicks trade away everyone to form the "Big 3" they will need some depth and offense and, Beasley offers that. He's been minimum contracting it for years so financially it'll work.

Jordan Bell - folks loved him out of college a year ago.

Kadeem Allen - honestly he's the type of super cheap guy that winning teams want at the backend of the rotation, hes competitive, he's capable on both ends, etc.

Reggie Bullock - provides some shooting off the bench or at the very least bench depth

Alex Burks - had an uneven season on teams where his role wasn't really defined and situations were a little messy. May be able to get him on a one year vet minimum deal? Major minutes in a make good season? He's only 27 and is extremely talented.

DeMarre Carroll - as a possible MLE or smaller exception candidate? Didn't have a very good playoffs but is a vet that defends and can shoot.

Michael Carter Williams - he is avail and likely can be had for the vet min.

Vince Carter - he's 42 years old but still can provide some minutes off the bench and veteran stability/leadership. Prob also a vet min candidate at this point in his career.

Wilson Chandler - another former Knick

Allen Crabbe - shooting wing

Dante Cunningham - veteran SF that brings a strong all around game, toughness and competitiveness.

Deyonta Davis - 2 year big that looked extremely good for the Hawks in spurts.

James Ennis - if the Knicks plan on running, Ennis is a terrific finisher and would be a good cheap option as a backup forward

Channing Frye - hey another Knick, still can shoot and is widely viewed as a great lovker room guy

Dwight Howard - the ultimate band wagon signing? Lol. He's never won a title right?

Amir Johnson - veteran big that can bring experience, intelligence, defense and team play

Stanley Johnson - maybe playing on an uptempo championship caliber team (instead of slow dysfunctional tesms) can turn him around after 3 years of blah play?

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist - has the luster, shine and hype finally worn off after 5 years and consistently declining minutes year after year?

Jeremy Lin - yes, another former Knick. But honestly this might be the perfect time to bring Linsanity back.

Robin Lopez - yes there are a lot of former Knicks that could fit in a return. Assuming they lose Jordan, Robin could be a solid backup option.

Boban Marjanovic - the biggest human being in the NBA supposedly is a ham. Big personality for the end of the bench?

Wes Mathews - technically another former Knick but whereas he didn't fit this past seasons Knicks he actually could be a perfect fit for a Durant based Knicks team.

Patrick McCaw - there's a lot of potential there.

Javale McGee - has been mostly pretty stable and low key in recent years and have played key role on a Warriors championship team.

Ben McClemore - Knicks have been linked to him on and off. At this point he can be had for the vet min.

Jabari Parker - Knicks rumored to be interested as recently as this past season

Glenn Robinson III - also a guy rumored in the past to be on the Knicks radar

Iman Shumpert - you got it, another former Knick

Ish Smith - would be a perfect backup guard for an high offense team

Nik Stauskas - dud as a lotto pick but can shoot and coming off a nice season

Lance Stephenson - on the right team he can work, and maybe on this team in NY will get him so pumped that we could see the original Pacer version? He can be had for the vet min.

Isaiah Thomas - do could he be sort of a different type of signing? Not sure if he's ready to play.

Thaddeus Young - always been a fan of how young plays.

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Damn Moo. That's a lot of thinking about the Knicks.

There's a special opening in BAF that you'd be perfect for. Just saying.

Lol yeah KoC and a few other guys have been hounding me to join. Just too busy and not quite back into this enough to do it right now.

As some of you may have assumed, I have OCD and stuff like BaF takes a lot out of me.

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knickstape4ever · Post #36 » by **knickstape4ever** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 7:55 pm

Besart19 wrote:Davis
Durant
Leonard
Green
Morant

and how are they getting Green? he's worth more than the room exception

Metta World WAR · Post #37 » by **Metta World WAR** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 8:00 pm

knickstape4ever wrote:
Besart19 wrote:Davis
Durant
Leonard
Green
Morant

and how are they getting Green? he's worth more than the room exception

Vet's Minimum and a new show on MSG called "Danny Green Eats Breakfast" that comes on between ExtenZe and Air Fryer infomercials and pays an annual salary of $7,554,915m

Jeffrey · Post #38 » by **Jeffrey** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 8:02 pm

If the Knicks were to trade for both Jrue and AD. It does make sense since Jrue is a two-way player with a cheaper contract than Kyrie. Although Kryie is dynamic, someone within the Big 3 will need to take a hit on their personal stats (see Kevin Love, Chris Bosh) for the better of the team. Which is why I think Jrue would be a better option than Kyrie.

Would a trade like this be feasible?

Jrue
AD

for

2019 FRP (RJ Barrett)
2 Mavs FRP
Frank
DS Jr.
Knox
Ellenson (not sure if he has a 1.6m contract for next year, can someone confirm?)
2019 Knicks SRP (#55)
2021 Knicks FRP (Unprotected)

Thinking about the roster. Jrue and AD are injury prone players. We're going to need some role players that can start 10-20 games a year. I'm basing KD's contract on a projected salary cap of 109m for next year as per Shams twitter. Also, I wonder if Knicks could not renew Trier's contract and have him sign a new one.

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Post #39 » by **moocow007** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 8:07 pm

Metta World WAR wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:
Besart19 wrote:Davis
Durant
Leonard
Green
Morant

and how are they getting Green? he's worth more than the room exception

Vet's Minimum and a new show on MSG called "Danny Green Eats Breakfast" that comes on between ExtenZe and Air Fryer infomercials and pays an annual salary of $7,554,915m

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Juco24 · Post #40 » by **Juco24** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 8:23 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
Jeffrey wrote:Jrue Holiday is not a salary dump folks. You're going to have additional assets for him. If NO has a plan in place to acquire additional picks, cheap contracts.. they will do it.

he's not. but if they want to rebuild and cash him in, their options may be limited. big salaries still have to match. i wouldn't be surprised if they would try to package their 2 big vet contracts at once for maximum return if the opportunity presented itself.

Totally agree JVG... question- could the Knicks take back both (AD/JH) without matching sals since NYs under the cap....