Offseason Thread: KD opts out...To KD or not to KD

[Traveyknicks23]

This is essentially doubling down on a blackjack hand when you have 15 and the dealer is showing an ace as their face card. It's way too risky and completely unnecessary to be doing something like this. Continue to build and be judicious with the money. Don't go after guys with names just for the sake of getting them.

Exactly, but you know the Knicks need to have stars at the garden. Doesn’t matter if they play on one damn leg. It’s way too risky to tie so much money to a player over 30 that has one of the worst injuries for a basketball player.

Risk worth taking if you ask me young guys still get to grow and if he comes back and ball out puts the team in a completely different position

[Sprewell4Three]

Still think that the Knicks are best for both Kyrie and KD.

If Kyrie signs here, he's coming into the worst team in the NBA last year and without KD this year, if Kyrie can take this team to the playoffs, he will be looked at as a top player that he wants to be considered. With the Nets, he's going into a playoff team. A small step up means nothing there. Would only confirm that he's not a true star. If he fails with the Knicks, it likely gets put on how bad the Knicks are.

KD will come back year 2, with a fringe playoff team (if Kyrie signs) and have a chance to take the long time loser Knicks over the top. Something no one has been able to do. If he can't, the injury gets blamed. Good for legacy either way, since he took on a challenge. With the Nets, it's much less of a feat.

Both guys can really help their reputation here. I want them here, because it's really hard to get those caliber of players. We won't get this opportunity for a few years.

Did you see Kyrie in Boston? Dude was playing on a team that went to the Eastern Conference finals. And guess what Kyrie was still miserable!!!
Imagine the barking he’s going to do here playing with a bunch of young players. That was his main complaint in Boston.

[Cookies4Life]

This is essentially doubling down on a blackjack hand when you have 15 and the dealer is showing an ace as their face card. It's way too risky and completely unnecessary to be doing something like this. Continue to build and be judicious with the money. Don't go after guys with names just for the sake of getting them.

Exactly, but you know the Knicks need to have stars at the garden. Doesn’t matter if they play on one damn leg. It’s way too risky to tie so much money to a player over 30 that has one of the worst injuries for a basketball player.

This would be the first time in league history that a supermax was signed for a player who was guaranteed not to play the 1st year of their contract at the BARE MINIMUM. So at the very best we'd be paying nearly 170 million dollars for 3 years of questionable- and I mean questionable- service.

[Knick4Real]

This is essentially doubling down on a blackjack hand when you have 15 and the dealer is showing an ace as their face card. It's way too risky and completely unnecessary to be doing something like this. Continue to build and be judicious with the money. Don't go after guys with names just for the sake of getting them.

Do you want KNICKS fans to agree with you on not wanting to sign KD, or do you want the KNICKS to not sign KD? Because we don't really control the latter.

[Sprewell4Three]

Kyrie and KD coming here would be a complete and utter disaster. I could just see it. Kyrie complaining about young players, the media being all over him. Then KD coming back and not being his former all star self. Him going back and forth with the media about it. I’ve seen this rodeo before, but the Knicks and their fans will never ever learn. It’s really frustrating supporting this team ,man!

[Cookies4Life]

This is essentially doubling down on a blackjack hand when you have 15 and the dealer is showing an ace as their face card. It's way too risky and completely unnecessary to be doing something like this. Continue to build and be judicious with the money. Don't go after guys with names just for the sake of getting them.

Do you want KNICKS fans to agree with you on not wanting to sign KD, or do you want the KNICKS to not sign KD? Because we don't really control the latter.

I've read enough of your posts in the previous thread to know your position. Enjoy star chasing 30 something year old hobbled players.

3 years worth of service for 170 million dollars for a guy with one of the most gruesome injuries a basketball player can endure. This isn't rocket science. It's a very easy pass.

[Context]

This would be a Knicks kind of move to sign a player coming off an achilles injuries, Knicks will never ever learn. They’re so star phucked that they would give their souls to have stars at the garden.

when have we signed- an injured -all- time great- champion- in the past?

[JXL]

Kyrie and KD coming here would be a complete and utter disaster. I could just see it. Kyrie complaining about young players, the media being all over him. Then KD coming back and not being his former all star self. Him going back and forth with the media about it. I’ve seen this rodeo before, but the Knicks and their fans will never ever learn. It’s really frustrating supporting this team ,man!

Would you say this if both was on the Nets?

[Traveyknicks23]

Stop acting like because you sign KD the young’s guys development suddenly stops we have all these damn picks signing KD doesn’t change **** even if he is a dud mostly likely we will be right back in the lotto anyway next year

[Sprewell4Three]

This is essentially doubling down on a blackjack hand when you have 15 and the dealer is showing an ace as their face card. It's way too risky and completely unnecessary to be doing something like this. Continue to build and be judicious with the money. Don't go after guys with names just for the sake of getting them.

Exactly, but you know the Knicks need to have stars at the garden. Doesn’t matter if they play on one damn leg. It’s way too risky to tie so much money to a player over 30 that has one of the worst injuries for a basketball player.

This would be the first time in league history that a supermax was signed for a player who was guaranteed not to play the 1st year of their contract at the BARE MINIMUM. So at the very best we'd be paying nearly 170 million dollars for 3 years of questionable- and I mean questionable- service.

And that’s the best case scenario! It’s too risky. It just doesn’t make sense for the Knicks to sign these guys when half the roster is under 22.

[Knick4Real]

This is essentially doubling down on a blackjack hand when you have 15 and the dealer is showing an ace as their face card. It's way too risky and completely unnecessary to be doing something like this. Continue to build and be judicious with the money. Don't go after guys with names just for the sake of getting them.

Do you want KNICKS fans to agree with you on not wanting to sign KD, or do you want the KNICKS to not sign KD? Because we don't really control the latter.

I've read enough of your posts in the previous thread to know your position. Enjoy star chasing 30 something year old hobbled players.

3 years worth of service for 170 million dollars for a guy with one of the most gruesome injuries a basketball player can endure. This isn't rocket science. It's a very easy pass.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I was only asking a legitimate question, since I'm not sure if you're more interested in convincing fans or convincing the organization??

[Blue Ninja]

Still think that the Knicks are best for both Kyrie and KD.

If Kyrie signs here, he's coming into the worst team in the NBA last year and without KD this year, if Kyrie can take this team to the playoffs, he will be looked at as a top player that he wants to be considered. With the Nets, he's going into a playoff team. A small step up means nothing there. Would only confirm that he's not a true star. If he fails with the Knicks, it likely gets put on how bad the Knicks are.

KD will come back year 2, with a fringe playoff team (if Kyrie signs) and have a chance to take the long time loser Knicks over the top. Something no one has been able to do. If he can't, the injury gets blamed. Good for legacy either way, since he took on a challenge. With the Nets, it's much less of a feat.

Both guys can really help their reputation here. I want them here, because it's really hard to get those caliber of players. We won't get this opportunity for a few years.

Did you see Kyrie in Boston? Dude was playing on a team that went to the Eastern Conference finals. And guess what Kyrie was still miserable!!!
Imagine the barking he’s going to do here playing with a bunch of young players. That was his main complaint in Boston.

That was a team that went to the conference championship without Kyrie. Kyrie and the dominating style of ball handling that he wanted to do there was seen as a hindrance by the young players. They immediately clashed. Fiz doesn’t have that a Brad Stevens type of system. He lets his PGs dominate the ball. Stylistically it’s a match made in heaven. There are no young guys who achieved anything here and there won’t be that animosity.

If anything going to playoff team Brooklyn, will be more of a challenge, if they don’t improve. He will be seen as someone ruining their style of team ball.

[Sprewell4Three]

Kyrie and KD coming here would be a complete and utter disaster. I could just see it. Kyrie complaining about young players, the media being all over him. Then KD coming back and not being his former all star self. Him going back and forth with the media about it. I’ve seen this rodeo before, but the Knicks and their fans will never ever learn. It’s really frustrating supporting this team ,man!

Would you say this if both was on the Nets?

The Nets have a different situation. They actually made the damn playoffs and have been building for a couple of years. And their players are in their prime and or entering their prime. While half the Knicks players are out here with their breath smelling like similac.

[BBALLER4FR]

you can stop arguing about who to include in the sign and trade because it's already been shot down

I read this exactly as it was presented...without the comma.

[god shammgod]

this is terrible to say...but some of you don't post enough for me to acknowledge your opinion. like i read it, and whether i agree with it or not, all i can think is....who is this motherf*cker ?

[SelbyCobra]

Once Durant got hurt the cheat code option went out the window. Everything still left on the table is rife with volatility.

We're relying on Perry to be that guiding light through the treachery and make the right decisions, because (besides Kawhi) there is no obvious path left. Fortunately that's what Scott has been building and preparing for his whole life, and all I'm going to do is sit back and wait for his moves.

I mean, that's all we can ever do, we're just fans. But this time especially we've got someone who has already demonstrated an ability to be measured and patient while also having an eye for talent and upside, and does it all while looking like your dad when he's too disgusted by your presence to even speak, following another one of your f*ck ups.

[JXL]

Kyrie and KD coming here would be a complete and utter disaster. I could just see it. Kyrie complaining about young players, the media being all over him. Then KD coming back and not being his former all star self. Him going back and forth with the media about it. I’ve seen this rodeo before, but the Knicks and their fans will never ever learn. It’s really frustrating supporting this team ,man!

Would you say this if both was on the Nets?

The Nets have a different situation. They actually made the damn playoffs and have been building for a couple of years. And their players are in their prime and or entering their prime. While half the Knicks players are out here with their breath smelling like similac.

Does this match your description?

[drekwins]

Maybe KD's lack of confidence in his recovery is why he might think of Brooklyn? He knows that if he's a shell of himself, it'll be a huge problem in NYC. If he's a shell of himself in Brooklyn, he can live a happy life.

[Knox]

Kyrie and KD coming here would be a complete and utter disaster. I could just see it. Kyrie complaining about young players, the media being all over him. Then KD coming back and not being his former all star self. Him going back and forth with the media about it. I’ve seen this rodeo before, but the Knicks and their fans will never ever learn. It’s really frustrating supporting this team ,man!

Would you say this if both was on the Nets?

Knicks aren’t a playoff team
The Garbage nets are
THEY have more “developed” talent then we do
It’s a drastic difference between us and the nets

[Juco24]

There will be some here (if KD does come) who will be rooting AGAINST him to succeed so that they can come on this site and say: "I told you so!" How anyone can do that and call themselves a Knicks fan is beyond me