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Re: Which NBA Team can Leon dupe into acquiring King Julius 

Post#21 » by BowlRips » Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:55 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:Randle and DSJ for Batum and a draft pick

speak it into existence!


That is one of the few deals that could make sense and Jordan is kinda clueless. It would be nice to get pick #32 from them too.

Otherwise, just make Randle backup C behind Mitch. Think he can be ok in that role.


I thought this too, but Batum is on his last year like Randle, no?

What's in it for Charlotte? Not cap relief.


$7-10mil of pure cap space for a 2020-2021 season with a truncated revenue can be extremely valuable. If the cap is stagnant, a bunch of teams are going to be real close to the luxury tax while not bringing in any revenue at the door.
This all needs to shake out, but not inconceivable that a trade that sends out Randle and saves another team $7-10mil could be worth a 1st round pick
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Re: Which NBA Team can Leon dupe into acquiring King Julius 

Post#22 » by mpharris36 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:56 pm

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I thought this too, but Batum is on his last year like Randle, no?

What's in it for Charlotte? Not cap relief.


they would save a couple million on the cap...but they would be replacing Batum who really plays no role on that team for randle who can produce. They would have to like Randle...maybe MJ/kupchak are dumb enough to think Randle can help?


We talked to them about swapping Randle for Rozier, and they wanted a pick


I think they believe Rozier is an asset (18-4-4 on 41% from 3)

I would have to believe they think Batum isn't
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Re: Which NBA Team can Leon dupe into acquiring King Julius 

Post#23 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:56 pm

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That is one of the few deals that could make sense and Jordan is kinda clueless. It would be nice to get pick #32 from them too.

Otherwise, just make Randle backup C behind Mitch. Think he can be ok in that role.


I thought this too, but Batum is on his last year like Randle, no?

What's in it for Charlotte? Not cap relief.


$7-10mil of pure cap space for a 2020-2021 season with a truncated revenue can be extremely valuable. If the cap is stagnant, a bunch of teams are going to be real close to the luxury tax while not bringing in any revenue at the door.
This all needs to shake out, but not inconceivable that a trade that sends out Randle and saves another team $7-10mil could be worth a 1st round pick



Charlotte is already under the cap though, no?

Agree some other team, paying a guy the max/supermax might want to do it, to save 1 year of 10 million or 1 year of 10 million and another year of 30-40 million

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Post#24 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:57 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:Randle and DSJ for Batum and a draft pick

speak it into existence!


That is one of the few deals that could make sense and Jordan is kinda clueless. It would be nice to get pick #32 from them too.

Otherwise, just make Randle backup C behind Mitch. Think he can be ok in that role.


for some reason I don't think Randle will ok getting paid 20 MM and coming off the bench in a 20 minute a night role during a contract year. If we want a clean slate of players buying in I think it important to remove Randle from the equation.


Too bad for Randle then. He has come off the bench before so will probably get over it. I def want to try to remove Randle too, but think we have to hold onto him if we can't find the right deal. Never know if a deal pops up around the deadline.
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Re: Which NBA Team can Leon dupe into acquiring King Julius 

Post#25 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:00 pm

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they would save a couple million on the cap...but they would be replacing Batum who really plays no role on that team for randle who can produce. They would have to like Randle...maybe MJ/kupchak are dumb enough to think Randle can help?


We talked to them about swapping Randle for Rozier, and they wanted a pick


I think they believe Rozier is an asset (18-4-4 on 41% from 3)

I would have to believe they think Batum isn't


Charlotte could end up with a Wiseman/Randle pairing :o
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Re: Which NBA Team can Leon dupe into acquiring King Julius 

Post#26 » by mpharris36 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:01 pm

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We talked to them about swapping Randle for Rozier, and they wanted a pick


I think they believe Rozier is an asset (18-4-4 on 41% from 3)

I would have to believe they think Batum isn't


Charlotte could end up with a Wiseman/Randle pairing


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Post#27 » by Stannis » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:02 pm

Maybe next year. But right now, you will need to add a pick to dump Randle. Probably two picks if you want to dumb Knox as well.
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Post#28 » by Dantares » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:05 pm

Utah would be the best fit. Their whole offense is built around getting players in position to catch the ball going downhill, this is what Randle is best at. he would actually help Utah.

Randle for Conley + asset makes sense.
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Re: Which NBA Team can Leon dupe into acquiring King Julius 

Post#29 » by Jose7 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:07 pm

Stannis wrote:Maybe next year. But right now, you will need to add a pick to dump Randle. Probably two picks if you want to dumb Knox as well.


good thing is that he essentially a one year deal with the 6m dead cap the following year.

maybe charlotte would bite on a Knox/Randle for Batum/Monk type of deal.

I do think they would want to unload Rozier but rozier is a two year deal, that #3 would have to come back our way, no question.
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Post#30 » by Jose7 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:10 pm

Dantares wrote:Utah would be the best fit. Their whole offense is built around getting players in position to catch the ball going downhill, this is what Randle is best at. he would actually help Utah.

Randle for Conley + asset makes sense.


They did take a shot at Clarkson and he's been $$$ for them. I dont think they move Conley, they'd be more inclined to move Bojan, who is a 3 year deal but is a great, great shooter.

Id definitely make that deal Bojan for Randle swap. Not sure if Jazz would.

42% 3 pt shooter on high ass volume. He'd be great at the 2.
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Post#31 » by robillionaire » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:10 pm

Jose7 wrote:
Stannis wrote:Maybe next year. But right now, you will need to add a pick to dump Randle. Probably two picks if you want to dumb Knox as well.


good thing is that he essentially a one year deal with the 6m dead cap the following year.

maybe charlotte would bite on a Knox/Randle for Batum/Monk type of deal.

I do think they would want to unload Rozier but rozier is a two year deal, that #3 would have to come back our way, no question.


i think it's only 4m dead cap

i don't want rozier either
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Post#32 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:13 pm

Maybe the Kings if Perry goes back there :lol:
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Post#33 » by BowlRips » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:16 pm

Dantares wrote:Utah would be the best fit. Their whole offense is built around getting players in position to catch the ball going downhill, this is what Randle is best at. he would actually help Utah.

Randle for Conley + asset makes sense.


Conley and 23 for Randle.
23 and 27 for 15

Okoro at 8
Cole Anthony at 15

Gallinari 1 year 20mil
Giles 2 years $10mil


Mitch/ Giles
Gallo/Knox
RJ/Okoro
Frank/Bullock
Conley/Cole

maintain maximum flexibility for 2021, get two blue chip prospects in Okoro and Cole, and put out a good product in 2020
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Post#34 » by Dantares » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:21 pm

BowlRips wrote:
Dantares wrote:Utah would be the best fit. Their whole offense is built around getting players in position to catch the ball going downhill, this is what Randle is best at. he would actually help Utah.

Randle for Conley + asset makes sense.


Conley and 23 for Randle.
23 and 27 for 15

Okoro at 8
Cole Anthony at 15

Gallinari 1 year 20mil
Giles 2 years $10mil


Mitch/ Giles
Gallo/Knox
RJ/Okoro
Frank/Dotson
Conley/Cole

maintain maximum flexibility for 2021, get two blue chip prospects in Okoro and Cole, and put out a good product in 2020


switch Cole Anthony with Kira Lewis and that would be good
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Post#35 » by HEZI » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:27 pm

Utah has emphasized shooting around Donovan Mitchell so getting Randle makes no sense. They got Gobert in the middle for the pick and roll game and they really benefit from the spacing with Mitchell as the primary ball handler and playmaker. I see 0 chance in them wanting a guy like Randle. He would make them a worse team
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Post#36 » by Nazrmohamed » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:28 pm

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Dantares wrote:Utah would be the best fit. Their whole offense is built around getting players in position to catch the ball going downhill, this is what Randle is best at. he would actually help Utah.

Randle for Conley + asset makes sense.


Conley and 23 for Randle.
23 and 27 for 15

Okoro at 8
Cole Anthony at 15

Gallinari 1 year 20mil
Giles 2 years $10mil


Mitch/ Giles
Gallo/Knox
RJ/Okoro
Frank/Dotson
Conley/Cole

maintain maximum flexibility for 2021, get two blue chip prospects in Okoro and Cole, and put out a good product in 2020


You beat me to it but you would need to add Frank and Bullock to make it work. Frank is friends with Mitchell so that might mean something to the Jazz. Randle has that team option so in essence hes an expiring contract who can produce for them. But yeah, you'd then have picks 8, 23 and 27 in the first round and still pick 36 while also receiving a solid albeit declining PG. But hey its only 2 yrs in which I doubt we contend anyway and we should be better with Conley anyway.

Difference is, I do one of 2 things in the draft. I either trade the whole thing to move up for Deni Avdija (Cause I still think that package won't get you top 3 but 4, maybe). Or I stay put and draft a totally different selection of players.

Id do Vassel at 8, Jalen Smith at 23 and then Trae Jones at 27.

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Re: Which NBA Team can Leon dupe into acquiring King Julius 

Post#37 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:33 pm

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I think they believe Rozier is an asset (18-4-4 on 41% from 3)

I would have to believe they think Batum isn't


Charlotte could end up with a Wiseman/Randle pairing


send them DSJ and Melo would switch his fandom to the hornets :lol:

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Post#38 » by Capn'O » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:57 pm

If we have to use a pick now, don't do it. Wait until the deadline or the offseason.

I'd rather outright cut than see the Knicks use assets to move another contract.

mpharris36 wrote:Randle and DSJ for Batum and a draft pick

speak it into existence!


That's about as good as it gets.
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Post#39 » by MaseInYourFace » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:58 pm

I don't think it requires duping. His contract is pretty low risk actually.
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Post#40 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:58 pm

Bring Randle off the bench

If he gets disruptive, waive him

Pass on 3rd year option and eat smaller cap hold in year 3

If someone wants him, trade him if deal helps Knicks future. If not, wait a year to let this pass

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