2019-2020 College/Draft thread X [marks the spot] (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT)

[WargamesX]

Edwards falling would be something..... There are a lot of rumors that makes it seem like the Wolves aren’t confident at all in their draft scouts. So I am not surprised they are questioning everything. Also not surprised that there are a lot of rumors saying they want to move down and nobody wants to pay them 1st pick prices.

[Manhattan Project]

Edwards falling would be something..... There are a lot of rumors that makes it seem like the Wolves aren’t confident at all in their draft scouts. So I am not surprised they are questioning everything. Also not surprised that there are a lot of rumors saying they want to move down and nobody wants to pay them 1st pick prices.

It's probably because Edwards gives off those Wiggins vibes, supremely talented armed with a doesn't give a damn attitude.

[Gravy]

Are there stats for top ranked high school players who fell in draft status during their freshman year in college and how they did in the NBA? Its hard to remember who they were but it seems like they dont do so well. There's this article from 2016:

http://www.thesportsfanjournal.com/columns/the-silver-fox/ten-year-history-of-top-ranked-rivals-basketball-players/

2007 No. 1 Ranked Player: Michael Beasley
2008 No. 1 Ranked Player: B.J. Mullens
2009 No. 1 Ranked Player: John Wall
2010 No. 1 Ranked Player: Josh Selby
2011 No. 1 Ranked Player: Austin Rivers
2012 No. 1 Ranked Player: Shabazz Muhammad
2013 No. 1 Ranked Player: Andrew Wiggins
2014 No. 1 Ranked Player: Jahlil Okafor
2015 No. 1 Ranked Player: Skal Labissiere
2016 No. 1 Ranked Player: Josh Jackson

2017 Marvin Bagley
2018 RJ Barrett

[King of Canada]

i got nothing left in the tank for this debate. just fast forward to the draft already.

BAF draft starts in only 10 days!

[King of Canada]

Coleslaw was always overrated. Just another in the long line of overrated NYC PGs. He got buzz due to his pops.

And his Pops was awful too. All he did was brick threes.

[isiah_thomas]

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[WargamesX]

Edwards falling would be something..... There are a lot of rumors that makes it seem like the Wolves aren’t confident at all in their draft scouts. So I am not surprised they are questioning everything. Also not surprised that there are a lot of rumors saying they want to move down and nobody wants to pay them 1st pick prices.

It's probably because Edwards gives off those Wiggins vibes, supremely talented armed with a doesn't give a damn attitude.

If there is a team that knows Wiggins vibes..... it’s the wolves

[EMG518]

Are there stats for top ranked high school players who fell in draft status during their freshman year in college and how they did in the NBA? Its hard to remember who they were but it seems like they dont do so well. There's this article from 2016:

http://www.thesportsfanjournal.com/columns/the-silver-fox/ten-year-history-of-top-ranked-rivals-basketball-players/

2007 No. 1 Ranked Player: Michael Beasley
2008 No. 1 Ranked Player: B.J. Mullens
2009 No. 1 Ranked Player: John Wall
2010 No. 1 Ranked Player: Josh Selby
2011 No. 1 Ranked Player: Austin Rivers
2012 No. 1 Ranked Player: Shabazz Muhammad
2013 No. 1 Ranked Player: Andrew Wiggins
2014 No. 1 Ranked Player: Jahlil Okafor
2015 No. 1 Ranked Player: Skal Labissiere
2016 No. 1 Ranked Player: Josh Jackson

2017 Marvin Bagley
2018 RJ Barrett

Rivals is the worst judge of high school talent possibly ever. To miss that badly so many times is pretty crazy.

[EMG518]

Edwards falling would be something..... There are a lot of rumors that makes it seem like the Wolves aren’t confident at all in their draft scouts. So I am not surprised they are questioning everything. Also not surprised that there are a lot of rumors saying they want to move down and nobody wants to pay them 1st pick prices.

It's probably because Edwards gives off those Wiggins vibes, supremely talented armed with a doesn't give a damn attitude.

If there is a team that knows Wiggins vibes..... it’s the wolves

I like his game more than Wiggins, better handle, better getting to the basket, more creation ability, but there are definitely Wiggins red flags. His approach to the game and his bbiq are real concerns.

[moocow007]

Just saw this on RealGM GSW thread. Interesting that Edwards is starting to be questioned and may wind up dropping after all.


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Man, it could be that AntMan is dropping because he chose not to participate in the combine interviews. It could be he is similar to Dion Waiters because he hasn't won anything and forgets plays and actions per Jonathan Wasserman of B/R. Dion Waiters could now be his floor .

"... executives from different clubs are concerned about Edwards’ commitment to winning:

Scouts and executives have mentioned that his teams haven’t won at any level and that he even forgets plays and actions. Despite media projections and upside that everyone acknowledges, he has a shaky reputation within NBA circles. Dion Waiters has been used by skeptics as a comparison or low-end outcome for Edwards, an inefficient scorer at Georgia whose Bulldogs finished 13 of 14 teams in the SEC."

https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2020/9/30/21494654/warriors-2020-nba-draft-conern-about-edwards

Wasserman previous had Anthony Edwards going #1 in his mock draft.

BTW, why isn't Onyeka Okongwu not mentioned by those who want a big man? It sounds to me Wiseman fans are basing it on strictly measurements.

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Listen to this Edwards interview with Mike Schmitz all the way through. The notion that he's not bright and just ad libs should be quickly dismissed.

Folks need to stop just buying into everything they hear. All you need is one mouthpiece online to say something and everyone freaking buys into it hook line and sinker instead of actually doing some digging and watching yourself. It's a sign of a lazy weak mind.

Watch on YouTube

He's extremely sharp. He recognizes what he needs to do very quickly. Whether he will? Who knows, but it's not for lack of awareness or understanding.

If he falls' to 8 I'd cream my pants. Get him with Thibs (or a similar coach) and you can have one heck of a player. But, he won't, so my pants and drawers are safe.

In general, that's a fan piece. It's a fan writing an article with his opinion, not some expert. Most casual fans (and armchair experts) still think that Okongwu is a 6'9" center that just defends and dunks when, as I've said repeatedly, he's so much more than just that if folks actually take the time to watch him play and think. That's why.

[DOT]

Lazy's different from unintelligent

I don't know if I buy into the "he should've won more at Georgia" narrative, cause that team outside of him isn't very talented, and I think he's still pretty raw

Thing is, you can be intelligent and know what you need to fix, but not motivated to fix it. It's a matter of him being motivated which is the question you can't really answer til he's in the league.

[blanko]

Edwards aint dropping. We need shooting shooting and mkre shooting

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[Gravy]

Are there stats for top ranked high school players who fell in draft status during their freshman year in college and how they did in the NBA? Its hard to remember who they were but it seems like they dont do so well. There's this article from 2016:

http://www.thesportsfanjournal.com/columns/the-silver-fox/ten-year-history-of-top-ranked-rivals-basketball-players/

2007 No. 1 Ranked Player: Michael Beasley
2008 No. 1 Ranked Player: B.J. Mullens
2009 No. 1 Ranked Player: John Wall
2010 No. 1 Ranked Player: Josh Selby
2011 No. 1 Ranked Player: Austin Rivers
2012 No. 1 Ranked Player: Shabazz Muhammad
2013 No. 1 Ranked Player: Andrew Wiggins
2014 No. 1 Ranked Player: Jahlil Okafor
2015 No. 1 Ranked Player: Skal Labissiere
2016 No. 1 Ranked Player: Josh Jackson

2017 Marvin Bagley
2018 RJ Barrett

Rivals is the worst judge of high school talent possibly ever. To miss that badly so many times is pretty crazy.

Maybe its misses so much because the journey from high school to the NBA is drastic.

247sports had Ben Simmons#1 Skal#2 in 2015. But they also had Mudiay #1 in 2014

[RHODEY]

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Yep my PG choice we dont get Hayes or Kira. I hope he's there @27.

[RHODEY]

Coleslaw was always overrated. Just another in the long line of overrated NYC PGs. He got buzz due to his pops.

And his Pops was awful too. All he did was brick threes.

I guess the brick doesn't fall far from the back board

[3toheadmelo]

Are there stats for top ranked high school players who fell in draft status during their freshman year in college and how they did in the NBA? Its hard to remember who they were but it seems like they dont do so well. There's this article from 2016:

http://www.thesportsfanjournal.com/columns/the-silver-fox/ten-year-history-of-top-ranked-rivals-basketball-players/

2007 No. 1 Ranked Player: Michael Beasley
2008 No. 1 Ranked Player: B.J. Mullens
2009 No. 1 Ranked Player: John Wall
2010 No. 1 Ranked Player: Josh Selby
2011 No. 1 Ranked Player: Austin Rivers
2012 No. 1 Ranked Player: Shabazz Muhammad
2013 No. 1 Ranked Player: Andrew Wiggins
2014 No. 1 Ranked Player: Jahlil Okafor
2015 No. 1 Ranked Player: Skal Labissiere
2016 No. 1 Ranked Player: Josh Jackson

2017 Marvin Bagley
2018 RJ Barrett

I had high hopes for Skal Labissiere...

[RHODEY]

Just saw this on RealGM GSW thread. Interesting that Edwards is starting to be questioned and may wind up dropping after all.


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"
Man, it could be that AntMan is dropping because he chose not to participate in the combine interviews. It could be he is similar to Dion Waiters because he hasn't won anything and forgets plays and actions per Jonathan Wasserman of B/R. Dion Waiters could now be his floor .

"... executives from different clubs are concerned about Edwards’ commitment to winning:

Scouts and executives have mentioned that his teams haven’t won at any level and that he even forgets plays and actions. Despite media projections and upside that everyone acknowledges, he has a shaky reputation within NBA circles. Dion Waiters has been used by skeptics as a comparison or low-end outcome for Edwards, an inefficient scorer at Georgia whose Bulldogs finished 13 of 14 teams in the SEC."

https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2020/9/30/21494654/warriors-2020-nba-draft-conern-about-edwards

Wasserman previous had Anthony Edwards going #1 in his mock draft.

BTW, why isn't Onyeka Okongwu not mentioned by those who want a big man? It sounds to me Wiseman fans are basing it on strictly measurements.

"

Listen to this Edwards interview with Mike Schmitz all the way through. The notion that he's not bright and just ad libs should be quickly dismissed.

Folks need to stop just buying into everything they hear. All you need is one mouthpiece online to say something and everyone freaking buys into it hook line and sinker instead of actually doing some digging and watching yourself. It's a sign of a lazy weak mind.

Watch on YouTube

He's extremely sharp. He recognizes what he needs to do very quickly. Whether he will? Who knows, but it's not for lack of awareness or understanding.

If he falls' to 8 I'd cream my pants. Get him with Thibs (or a similar coach) and you can have one heck of a player. But, he won't, so my pants and drawers are safe.

In general, that's a fan piece. It's a fan writing an article with his opinion, not some expert. Most casual fans (and armchair experts) still think that Okongwu is a 6'9" center that just defends and dunks when, as I've said repeatedly, he's so much more than just that if folks actually take the time to watch him play and think. That's why.

Isn't that even worse? Knowing what you need to do but not doing it? I agree with you on Okongwu.

[3toheadmelo]

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Yep my PG choice we dont get Hayes or Kira. I hope he's there @27.

Glad to see people finally on the Malachi Flynn bandwagon. Another guy you should check out is Payton Pritchard

[RHODEY]

Read on Twitter

Yep my PG choice we dont get Hayes or Kira. I hope he's there @27.

Glad to see people finally on the Malachi Flynn bandwagon. Another guy you should check out is Payton Pritchard

He's seems to have a blend of Cole's "dog" and Tryrell Terry's skill set I really really am fully on this bandwagon. He may soon pass Kira on my list

[Jeff Van Gully]

Maybe its misses so much because the journey from high school to the NBA is drastic.

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