Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread

[Oscirus]

eh would be a case of too many picks for cavs. Dont see it moving the needle

[Richard4444]

Cleveland really has no incentive to trade their starting PG, this is a pipe dream

We are assuming Cavs will draft Green. And Sexton will be the sixth man and he will want to get paid next year (at least a 90M/4 contract).

I do think the Cavs will think about moving him. Obi + Both 21 picks could be a nice return if they opt for a slower rebuilding.

Anyway, I think we would have to include Obi in the deal. A Garland/Green/Okoro/Obin/Allen team come to be a fun, balanced, and cheap team for a while.

[Knicksfan1992]

Cavs were between Obi and Okoro for the 5th pick last year and ended up taking Okoro... But we know they were pretty high on Obi.

I very much assume Obi would be in any deal for Sexton. We'd likely rather give up Knox with maybe an extra pick attached instead, but I can't imagine Cleveland would value Knox enough to give up their leading scorer and have him be the only known quantity coming back...

I think a fair compromise would be

Obi, Knox, 19, 32, 2022 top 4 protected pick swap, 2023 detroit 2nd rounder

for

Sexton, Nance

Cavs get a better piece to fill their core, kick the rookie extension can down the road, and can look to move Love to make Obi the full time 4. Get a free look at Knox for a year and get another premium 1st, back in the early 2nd round and the chance to capitalize on a possible regression Knick season next year.

Knicks get the 2nd shot creator they need and can put Sexton in a situation where he can really pop. Also get the fail safe in Nance just in case Sexton doesn't work out. Nance can actually legitimately give Randle some rest. He doesn't have the offensive talent Obi has or upside but is a much more well rounded vet player on a pretty good deal.

[8516knicks]

Yes. I am not a fan of Obi or late first round picks. I like Collin Sexton's toughness and he had all-star caliber production this year (24+ppg on solid shooting numbers).

See above about what his teammates thought of him..I don’t want him anywhere near the knicks, and I reiterate I wouldn’t take him for free

I predict that in the next few years you'll find that you think differently (especially about not taking him for free). The Cavs were horrible and Sexton is clearly not the type of guy who can carry a team on is own (at least at this point in his career) but I believe he is still one of the top young PG's in the league. The frustrations of losing can make people say a lot of bad things about a player who otherwise gets praised when you're winning (i.e. Russell Westbrook, Pascal Siakam, Kevin Love, Devin Booker, etc.). Sexton, RJ and Randle is a legit core of young players. I'm tired with our fake @ss "young talent" (i.e. Kevin Knox, Alonzo Trier, Willy Hernangomez). Again, I'm willing to bet that you'll admit that you are wrong on Sexton at some point in the future (as soon as his team finds success).

"...what his teammates thought of him...." - I've been reading about that since early in his rookie season.

[moocow007]

If the talk of Sexton is true he's not a guy you'd want on this team (or any team that plans on doing something other than tanking).

[newyorker4ever]

At minimum it would be Dayton's favorite homeboy Obi Topin + probably IQ + 19 and/or 21

FWIW

Spoiler:

Alabama point guard Collin Sexton has signed with agents Austin Brown and Leon Rose of CAA ahead of the 2018 NBA Draft, tweets ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

Ummmmm huh? I would never give that much up for C.Sexton. People have to remember that he's a player that was given free reign to do what he wants on a bad team and have no idea how good or bad he'd be on a good team. He's just another SG in a PG's body.

[br7knicks]

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[cgmw]

At minimum it would be Dayton's favorite homeboy Obi Topin + probably IQ + 19 and/or 21

FWIW

Spoiler:

Alabama point guard Collin Sexton has signed with agents Austin Brown and Leon Rose of CAA ahead of the 2018 NBA Draft, tweets ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

Ummmmm huh? I would never give that much up for C.Sexton. People have to remember that he's a player that was given free reign to do what he wants on a bad team and have no idea how good or bad he'd be on a good team. He's just another SG in a PG's body.

Ok random internet fan, good to know. If the talent evaluators at MSG want Sexton, they’ll orchestrate an offer, and I was just pointing out the reality that it would have to revolve around Obi, who played college ball near Cleveland, and not Knox, who likely has ~0 value.

And if you read it again, it says “probably” IQ + one pick and/or the other. I was just correcting the OP and setting a range of a possible framework, which could be as small as Obi + 21, but certainly not Kevin Knox as the OP suggested.

And I’m not advocating Sexton, but let’s get off our high horses for a moment lest we forget our starting PG for 72 games this year. Have you already forgotten all that suffering?

If replacing Payton with Sexton cost us Obi + Knox + 21, would you really be mad?

[8516knicks]

Surprised no one is mentioning Kyrie in wake of hoopshype mentioning Nets were a bit upset at Kyrie's "pause" in the middle of the season. Story has VANISHED for what it's worth. But did mention they polled execs as to what he'd be worth and one even just said "filler" on a trade at this point. Did they get hacked? Pressured to remove the story? Anyone else see this this AM?

Found the story - "according to Matt Sullivan, Irving could be available in a trade this summer after “annoying” some members of the organization." https://sports.yahoo.com/matt-sullivan-nets-may-listen-003942034.html?src=rss

[NoDopeOnSundays]

At minimum it would be Dayton's favorite homeboy Obi Topin + probably IQ + 19 and/or 21

FWIW

Spoiler:

Alabama point guard Collin Sexton has signed with agents Austin Brown and Leon Rose of CAA ahead of the 2018 NBA Draft, tweets ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

Ummmmm huh? I would never give that much up for C.Sexton. People have to remember that he's a player that was given free reign to do what he wants on a bad team and have no idea how good or bad he'd be on a good team. He's just another SG in a PG's body.

Here's the thing, Sexton was given free reign to do whatever he wanted and he stayed an efficient scorer. It would be 1 thing if he were just a chucker posting these numbers, but he's at 57% TS this year. He needs a lot of refinement to his game and he is a small SG, but you play him next to a big PG or have a lineup where you have other playmakers on the court with him so that on defense he can still just guard the opposing PG. That is what it comes down to, can you build your lineup so he just has to guard the opposing PG.

He's like a more offensively gifted Terry Rozier.

[Capn'O]

Get it done, Donnie!

[Capn'O]

Figured I'd start this thread up rather than shut the original idea thread down. Offseason ideas go here. Thanks - Cap

OrangeBlueSkies' post starts here:

Kevin Knox, 19, 21 for Colin Sexton? Is this not possible? Who says no?

FYI...

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Why would anyone want Sexton? A player who was hated so much on his awful team that players on his own team would call him out for how selfish a player he is..I wouldn’t want him for free..people need to stop looking at stats and actually watch the player play but also pay attention to why player would be available in the first place


Collin Sexton apparently isn’t the most popular player in the Cavaliers locker room.

The 22-year-old guard, who’s in his third season with the Cavs, has reportedly frustrated teammates with his style of play.

“Various Cavs players still grow frustrated by the way Sexton dominates the ball, and opponents taunt them by saying during games, ‘you know he’s not going to pass you the ball,'” according to The Athletic.

Because he's 22 and it's easier for someone to grow up and change how they play than it is to find someone who can average 24ppg on solid shooting splits. This isn't a low efficiency chucker, he's selfish but that can be reigned in with the right coaching and using him how he should be. If you paired him with a bigger PG or more playmakers and played him as an attacking SG he would be perfectly fine, the problem for the Cavs is they have two PG sized players in their backcourt and Sexton isn't a PG in anything but his stature. You play him at the 1 so he guards the 1, but functionally he's a 2, that is how you maximize him.

You guys think the perfect player is going to fall out of the sky, like the Kings are going to offer us Fox for 19,21 and Obi or something. We're in a position where we're not going to be in the top of the lottery, we have to start handing out contracts soon, and there are no major free agents on the market. This is the time you look for players that other teams may not want for one reason or the other and try to either rebuild them, or increase their value (D-Lo on the Nets & Warriors).

We're in no position to turn our noses up if Sexton is an option.

[newyorker4ever]

At minimum it would be Dayton's favorite homeboy Obi Topin + probably IQ + 19 and/or 21

FWIW

Spoiler:

Ummmmm huh? I would never give that much up for C.Sexton. People have to remember that he's a player that was given free reign to do what he wants on a bad team and have no idea how good or bad he'd be on a good team. He's just another SG in a PG's body.

Ok random internet fan, good to know. If the talent evaluators at MSG want Sexton, they’ll orchestrate an offer, and I was just pointing out the reality that it would have to revolve around Obi, who played college ball near Cleveland, and not Knox, who likely has ~0 value.

And if you read it again, it says “probably” IQ + one pick and/or the other. I was just correcting the OP and setting a range of a possible framework, which could be as small as Obi + 21, but certainly not Kevin Knox as the OP suggested.

And I’m not advocating Sexton, but let’s get off our high horses for a moment lest we forget our starting PG for 72 games this year. Have you already forgotten all that suffering?

If replacing Payton with Sexton cost us Obi + Knox + 21, would you really be mad?

Ok random internet stan, my post clearly said i'd be against trading Obi, IQ and our two 1st round picks and never said anything about if it were Obi, Knox and pick 21 since that offer was never even in your post that i replied to.

Also, nobody forgot about Elf, i can promise you that, but that doesn't mean we take the first player we can get our hands on that has played PG in Sexton.

[Knicksfan1992]

Surprised no one is mentioning Kyrie in wake of hoopshype mentioning Nets were a bit upset at Kyrie's "pause" in the middle of the season. Story has VANISHED for what it's worth. But did mention they polled execs as to what he'd be worth and one even just said "filler" on a trade at this point. Did they get hacked? Pressured to remove the story? Anyone else see this this AM?

Found the story - "according to Matt Sullivan, Irving could be available in a trade this summer after “annoying” some members of the organization." https://sports.yahoo.com/matt-sullivan-nets-may-listen-003942034.html?src=rss

While Kyrie, the basketball player, would be an amazing fit for our roster. Kyrie, the personality, could be disastrous.

Think about it this way... He was in absolutely the perfect situation for himself this year. Both as a player and as a human being. The Nets fanbase isn't too demanding or hostile. He grew up a fan of the team. It was his choice to play there and he got KD and Harden to join him and even got Harden to be the 3rd option behind him. The team played really well and were likely to make the Finals until he got hurt (Also another reason to stay away). And yet...even with all that he still found a way to piss people off and go on sabbaticals.

Kyrie is a big stay away for me especially given who our owner is, what our fanbase tends to be like, and the spotlight that would be on him. Let him be BK's problem tbh

[Knicks1992]

Two of: Kendrick Nunn, Reggie Jackson, or Rose

Powell as shooter or use draft picks to either acquire vet shooter

Bring back Taj and Bullock

Randle back on third year instead of extension

Look to shed salary with Knox and cut loses

Noel type 1 year investment

[BKlutch]

Surprised no one is mentioning Kyrie in wake of hoopshype mentioning Nets were a bit upset at Kyrie's "pause" in the middle of the season. Story has VANISHED for what it's worth. But did mention they polled execs as to what he'd be worth and one even just said "filler" on a trade at this point. Did they get hacked? Pressured to remove the story? Anyone else see this this AM?

Found the story - "according to Matt Sullivan, Irving could be available in a trade this summer after “annoying” some members of the organization." https://sports.yahoo.com/matt-sullivan-nets-may-listen-003942034.html?src=rss

While Kyrie, the basketball player, would be an amazing fit for our roster. Kyrie, the personality, could be disastrous.

Think about it this way... He was in absolutely the perfect situation for himself this year. Both as a player and as a human being. The Nets fanbase isn't too demanding or hostile. He grew up a fan of the team. It was his choice to play there and he got KD and Harden to join him and even got Harden to be the 3rd option behind him. The team played really well and were likely to make the Finals until he got hurt (Also another reason to stay away). And yet...even with all that he still found a way to piss people off and go on sabbaticals.

Kyrie is a big stay away for me especially given who our owner is, what our fanbase tends to be like, and the spotlight that would be on him. Let him be BK's problem tbh

I think Thibs would rather murder Kyrie Flatso Irving than allow him to destroy all his work with our team.

[8516knicks]

Surprised no one is mentioning Kyrie in wake of hoopshype mentioning Nets were a bit upset at Kyrie's "pause" in the middle of the season. Story has VANISHED for what it's worth. But did mention they polled execs as to what he'd be worth and one even just said "filler" on a trade at this point. Did they get hacked? Pressured to remove the story? Anyone else see this this AM?

Found the story - "according to Matt Sullivan, Irving could be available in a trade this summer after “annoying” some members of the organization." https://sports.yahoo.com/matt-sullivan-nets-may-listen-003942034.html?src=rss

While Kyrie, the basketball player, would be an amazing fit for our roster. Kyrie, the personality, could be disastrous.

Think about it this way... He was in absolutely the perfect situation for himself this year. Both as a player and as a human being. The Nets fanbase isn't too demanding or hostile. He grew up a fan of the team. It was his choice to play there and he got KD and Harden to join him and even got Harden to be the 3rd option behind him. The team played really well and were likely to make the Finals until he got hurt (Also another reason to stay away). And yet...even with all that he still found a way to piss people off and go on sabbaticals.

Kyrie is a big stay away for me especially given who our owner is, what our fanbase tends to be like, and the spotlight that would be on him. Let him be BK's problem tbh

Could not have said it better. Yet, for "filler" I'd take him over Sexton. One is cancer in remission, the other is active.

[newyorker4ever]

At minimum it would be Dayton's favorite homeboy Obi Topin + probably IQ + 19 and/or 21

FWIW

Spoiler:

Ummmmm huh? I would never give that much up for C.Sexton. People have to remember that he's a player that was given free reign to do what he wants on a bad team and have no idea how good or bad he'd be on a good team. He's just another SG in a PG's body.

Here's the thing, Sexton was given free reign to do whatever he wanted and he stayed an efficient scorer. It would be 1 thing if he were just a chucker posting these numbers, but he's at 57% TS this year. He needs a lot of refinement to his game and he is a small SG, but you play him next to a big PG or have a lineup where you have other playmakers on the court with him so that on defense he can still just guard the opposing PG. That is what it comes down to, can you build your lineup so he just has to guard the opposing PG.

He's like a more offensively gifted Terry Rozier.

So build the team around C.Sexton? Ummmmmmm no.

Saying he's T.Rozier doesn't change things for me, and is who i would of compared him to anyway, and is another SG that i wouldn't want as my starting PG.

Shoot T.Mann or J.Butler could be as good and probably better than C.Sexton is and we might be able to get either of them at 19 or 21 and they could actually play PG.

[knickstape4ever]

I can't imagine the Woj report that the Rockets and Cavs would consider trading their picks is true, but if so, I think the Knicks should look into it. even if it means trading Randle and absorbing a bad contract

#3, Love for Randle?

#2, Wall for Randle?

I'd do either deal. a top 3 pick is the best chance at landing a superstar. imagine a young core of 1 of Green/Mobley/Suggs, RJ, IQ, Obi....