Nerlens Noel suing Rich Paul

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No wonder some players hire their fathers or close relatives as agents.

[Capn'O]

Noel allegedly learned from Brett Brown, who was coaching the Philadelphia 76ers at the time, that the 76ers front office had been trying to contact Paul to discuss a potential deal and that Paul refused to respond. This was purportedly the case with other team representatives who were reaching out as well.

This feels familiar...if true, this is foul.

This is where he might have a case. Houston and LAC are similarly named as teams that tried to contact him and couldn't after the Mavs deal fell through.

[LookToShoot]

Nerlens Noel has himself to blame. Follow the beat to your own drum, don't follow hype.

As for Rich Paul, I'm not sure how good of an agent he is. It's easy to negotiate contracts for superstars.

[god shammgod]

so apparently, rich paul filed the first grievance because noel wouldn't pay his commission on the contract he just signed with us. this was his response to that.

[Capn'O]

so apparently, rich paul filed the first grievance because noel wouldn't pay his commission on the contract he just signed with us. this was his response to that.

When you mess with the bull, you get the horns. Or maybe the glass houses adage works better here. I don't know. They don't pay me enough. I need a new agent.

[JXL]

Probably after Noel walked out of the negotiations table with Dallas and yelling "I HAVE A FAMILY TO FEED!"

[HighRyzer83]

Mitch fired rich Paul recently and in talks with us for a contract extension. Maybe Rose is behind the scenes. Good, f rich paul lol.
This is the payoff of getting Rose. Not just acquiring good players, but also good contracts, which includes eliminating sleazebag agents.

[prophet_of_rage]

This isn't about the Dallas contract. This is about not doing your job to get him another contract.

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[br7knicks]

beat ya by 7 minutes!

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this may actually be worthy of its own thread. i just didn't because i'm always getting on other peoples' cases for making new, redundant threads.

Heh I figure it’s the off-season and we need stuff to talk about now that we don’t have 20 threads about how Obi is Karl Malone and McBride will be Gary Payton.

Couldn't agree more

[BugginOut]

At the end of the day there is no one that you should be trusting more than yourself. So while, sure, you'd like to feel that you should trust your agent (cause it's the agents job) you are responsible for your own decisions. From what I understand Noel knew about the Dallas offer (not like Paul hid it from him). If he didn't then absolutely it's on Paul. But you got to be smarter than to buy into all the BS that someone who's job is about BS'ing (i.e. an agent) when they tell you this or that and that you're better than you are.

"I am the master of my fate. I am the captain of my soul" - Invictus (William Ernest Henley)

For anyone interested in reading the whole thing...

Spoiler:

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate,
I am the captain of my soul.

If you hire an agent to look after your best interest and they screw you over, the blame definitely should be placed on the agent. These players don’t know the CBA and the market as much as us fans who spend all this time looking this up.

If I hire an agent (who represents and is best friends with Lebron) and he tells me he can get me a 100 million dollar contract, and then that agent doesn’t even call teams back who want to offer me deals then why should we blame the player when the agent breached his fiduciary duty.

[Spree2Houston]

Didn't David Faulk make Xavier McDaniels leave the Knicks to benefit Jordan? Agents are sleazy

[moocow007]

At the end of the day there is no one that you should be trusting more than yourself. So while, sure, you'd like to feel that you should trust your agent (cause it's the agents job) you are responsible for your own decisions. From what I understand Noel knew about the Dallas offer (not like Paul hid it from him). If he didn't then absolutely it's on Paul. But you got to be smarter than to buy into all the BS that someone who's job is about BS'ing (i.e. an agent) when they tell you this or that and that you're better than you are.

"I am the master of my fate. I am the captain of my soul" - Invictus (William Ernest Henley)

For anyone interested in reading the whole thing...

Spoiler:

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate,
I am the captain of my soul.

If you hire an agent to look after your best interest and they screw you over, the blame definitely should be placed on the agent. These players don’t know the CBA and the market as much as us fans who spend all this time looking this up.

If I hire an agent (who represents and is best friends with Lebron) and he tells me he can get me a 100 million dollar contract, and then that agent doesn’t even call teams back who want to offer me deals then why should we blame the player when the agent breached his fiduciary duty.

I'm not disagreeing that the agent should bear the blame of not doing his job but at the end of the day you should not be trusting anyone that completely. I don't care how stupid an athlete you may or may not be and/or whether you do or don't have the capacity to understand these things and/or how you don't want to be bothered by the hassle and/or how much you're paying them.

It's like that commercial about "almost sure". You need to be 100% sure...and the only way to do that is if you always accept that you are the master of your own fate, not your agent. No matter how big a star you are, the agent's no.1 priority is always going to be themselves. Nothing wrong with that. Everyone's no.1 priority should be themselves. Smart people would know that and know as a result to not trust someone else more than yourself and not to let someone else make decisions for you. All the big successful stars (in sports, movies, music, etc.) know that. It's the ones that fail to sustain said stardom that don't.

It's funny that you mention Lebron cause Lebron James would never ever rely on someone else to determine his fate. Nor would guys like MJ, Kobe, etc. They are smart enough to know you can't trust someone fully and that you need to be involved and responsible for what happens to you. Nerlens Noel clearly did not and went with what his agent said.

Again, it does not absolve his agent from doing him dirty, but Noel let the agent do him dirty is the problem. And that's his problem first and foremost, not the agents.

[moocow007]

Didn't David Faulk make Xavier McDaniels leave the Knicks to benefit Jordan? Agents are sleazy

Yep that was the talk. Agents are out for themselves and are out for their clients only as far as it benefits themselves and their company. Sometimes, often, most of the times what benefits their clients benefits themselves, but that doesn't mean by any stretch of the imagination that the agents have the players best interests in mind all the time. They are jackals (nothing wrong with that since that's what's needed to be successful at being an agent). Jackals aren't out for fellow jackals or the hyenas or the lions that may share possible targets and or an occassional meal with.

[moocow007]

This isn't about the Dallas contract. This is about not doing your job to get him another contract.

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Oh I would imagine that the reason for doing this is in part because Noel felt that Paul screwed him over by telling him not to accept that Dallas contract. Not being able to get him another contract is debatable cause he's been part injured and part just not very good since he/they passed on that Dallas contract and how much you think you're worth. I'm certain that if Noel was willing to take a vet minimum contract that plenty of teams would have wanted to sign him.

[moocow007]

How many of you guys would listen to your parents unconditionally and do everything they tell you to do? Now apply this to this situation here where Noel is implying that he trusted his agent to do exactly that and that he himself should not be held accountable for said decision.

[thisiskoz]

How many of you guys would listen to your parents unconditionally and do everything they tell you to do? Now apply this to this situation here where Noel is implying that he trusted his agent to do exactly that and that he himself should not be held accountable for said decision.

What a terrible analogy.

If I became aware colleges were reaching out to my parents about opportunities and they weren't relaying it, I'd file for emancipation. Regardless of whether or not they convinced me to stupidly turn down a near full ride to a good school and I listened.

Do you have a reason you're shilling for Rich Paul so hard?

Have you actually read what this is about and understood that the Dallas contact is only the initial part of the issue here?

[KnicksGadfly]

I think the other thing is that not all players have never had that influence or network in their life. Lebron is exceptional and some of these players like Steph have had fathers within the NBA, but a lot don’t.

Lots of blame to go around in that case. Noel yes, Paul yes, maybe the NBA for not educating better. Also I saw some NFL quarterbacks buy insurance for these contract negotiations and maybe that would have helped too.

[j4remi]

This isn't about the Dallas contract. This is about not doing your job to get him another contract.

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Oh I would imagine that the reason for doing this is in part because Noel felt that Paul screwed him over by telling him not to accept that Dallas contract. Not being able to get him another contract is debatable cause he's been part injured and part just not very good since he/they passed on that Dallas contract and how much you think you're worth. I'm certain that if Noel was willing to take a vet minimum contract that plenty of teams would have wanted to sign him.

That's not really the issue here. GM's were contacting Paul and he wasn't informing Noel or returning the GM's calls. Noel only found out because he had a conversation Brett Brown (while Brown was coaching the Sixers). So it's not that Paul couldn't get Noel a contract or garner interest from teams; it's that Paul wasn't even answering the phone when teams called with interest.

If it just came down to turning down the deal or inability to drum up interest, then I'd agree with you. But when Noel alleges that Paul was ignoring phone calls without even informing Noel about the contact; that's where II think he may have a case.

Disclaimer: this is all alleged by Noel and not confirmed. But it's the key to the whole thing imo.

[moocow007]

How many of you guys would listen to your parents unconditionally and do everything they tell you to do? Now apply this to this situation here where Noel is implying that he trusted his agent to do exactly that and that he himself should not be held accountable for said decision.

What a terrible analogy.

I'm going out on a limb (doubt it) that you failed to grasp the point.

If I became aware colleges were reaching out to my parents about opportunities and they weren't relaying it, I'd file for emancipation. Regardless of whether or not they convinced me to stupidly turn down a near full ride to a good school and I listened.

So you agree with me that you should NOT be unconditionally listening and trusting your parents? That's what you are basically saying and what I implied folks should not be doing. The point, which you have clearly missed, is that if you should not be trusting your parents unconditionally why on earth would you be trusting your agent?

Do you have a reason you're shilling for Rich Paul so hard?

You have failed to understand my point. Congratulations. My comments have nothing to do with Rich Paul nor have I "shilled" him. Go try and read what I wrote objectively instead of with your panties on fire. The guy I'm "shilling" is Nerlens Noel. Rich Paul did what I'd expect agents to do.

Have you actually read what this is about and understood that the Dallas contact is only the initial part of the issue here?

Have you actually read what I wrote and understood what I wrote? This is called a rhetorical question cause you obviously did not.

If you actually believe that the underlying reason for Noel ditching Paul on that commission on the Knicks contract that Paul did NOT actually get for Noel (that's what the suit and countersuit is about) has anything other than him being bitter about that lost Dallas contract (his fault, not Pauls for turning it down) then I don't know what to tell you.

[moocow007]

This isn't about the Dallas contract. This is about not doing your job to get him another contract.

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Oh I would imagine that the reason for doing this is in part because Noel felt that Paul screwed him over by telling him not to accept that Dallas contract. Not being able to get him another contract is debatable cause he's been part injured and part just not very good since he/they passed on that Dallas contract and how much you think you're worth. I'm certain that if Noel was willing to take a vet minimum contract that plenty of teams would have wanted to sign him.

That's not really the issue here. GM's were contacting Paul and he wasn't informing Noel or returning the GM's calls. Noel only found out because he had a conversation Brett Brown (while Brown was coaching the Sixers). So it's not that Paul couldn't get Noel a contract or garner interest from teams; it's that Paul wasn't even answering the phone when teams called with interest.

If it just came down to turning down the deal or inability to drum up interest, then I'd agree with you. But when Noel alleges that Paul was ignoring phone calls without even informing Noel about the contact; that's where II think he may have a case.

Disclaimer: this is all alleged by Noel and not confirmed. But it's the key to the whole thing imo.

Noel's suit is a countersuit to Pauls lawsuit on Noel. Do we agree with that?

Paul's lawsuit claims that Nerlens Noel owes him a commission on the contract that he signed with the Knicks. Even though it appears that someone else had gotten Noel that contract not Paul, Paul seems to contend that legally he was still Noel's agent and, therefore, entitled to the agents commission on that contract.

Noel's lawsuit of Paul is a countersuit. It contends that Rich Paul failed to perform his duty as an agent (the whole "he got calls and offers but never responded or never told me" is CLEARLY a justification for "failure to perform"). This is absolutely and clearly what any competent lawyer would advise their client to do when sued in this scenario.

Do we agee on that as well?

So...the question is WHY did Noel not pay Paul for the commission that Paul is suiting him about. Why would Noel apparently have someone else help get that contract with the Knicks. Sure it could be the claim that Paul failed to perform his duty but it is really not hard to surmise that this whole contentious relationship between player and agent (Noel and Paul) originates from that Dallas contract fiasco where Noel claims that Paul told him to not accept it and that Paul can get him a bigger contract. That is the only thing that is not heresay cause both parties clearly acknowledged their involvement in said action.

Nerlens Noel should NOT have believed what Paul told him about not signing. That is pretty much the root of my comments in this thread.