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Team should have tanked instead of getting meaningless wins. This is why this franchise is a joke. They never tank to get top 5 pick consecutively. To win , you need superstars . The Knicks have never drafted a superstar in over 30 years. PorZingis was a disappointment . Winning one or two games end of the season is meaningless. Mike breen every year talking about how losing is bad at the end. Luka would have been ours if we tanked properly like Dallas.

Why tank for Luka, when you can just win a couple of more games and draft Knox?

Derp

Luka is a loyal guy. It would be hard to get him even if you're an elite/winning franchise. I don't think it's very likely for the Knicks. Maybe aim for someone else, like Ingram.

Easier said than done, like trading Randle

luka is not leaving dallas, no shot.

luka is from slovenija aswell. if anything he would go to cali or florida. he also picked spain over the other good-ish leagues in europe for that reason (he said it himself in an interview, im gonna find it and edit this post).

This is the best time to pursue him, when he is on a struggling team and wants to join a contender like the Knicks.

WOW

You've cracked the code!

Just sign the best players!!!

Let's just sign Lebron! And Steph. Then Let's get KD and Luka after when he's a FA.

Are you serious?

You can't make long-term plans based on the hopes that one player decides to sign with your team.

And nobody wants to come here. Luka is in the conference finals with a very solid team, a great coach, and great ownership team, and a great culture.

Is he really sitting around thinking "you know what? I want to go join a dumpster fire with 0 star players around me!"

Do you really think it's that easy to just "get Luka?". Why didn't we just "get Lebron?". Actually, why didn't we just "get MJ" instead of losing to him every year? That would've been the smart idea.

Get a grip man this isn't how the NBA works.

Regarding any of the top players signing here - I'm not getting my hopes up.
1) Players take those mega-max deals now so less Free agents moving around
2) Any time players do come available they haven't signed here for many years, why get fooled into expecting it again?

Sark wrote:

DOT wrote:

Sark wrote:We could have just drafted him, if we just tanked as soon as KP got hurt. But nope, we had to unsuccessfully push for the playoffs with Hardaway, Enes Kanter, and Kyle O'Quinn leading the way.

The stupidity of this organization is limitless.

We were 23-31 going into the game KP got hurt

The Hawks, who got the 3rd pick, ended the season with a record of 24-58. So technically, you're correct, but we would have had to go 0-28 down the stretch, literally winless

Instead, we went 6-22, which was the worst record in the league. So we would've needed to trade up to get him, and outbid the Mavs in doing so in any scenario other than us losing 30 straight games (we'd lost the two before KP got hurt)

It's not a defense of any decisions made by the org, but the whole narrative that it was the games after losing KP that took us out of the Doncic race is pretty ridiculous. We went from a 35 win pace to a 9 win pace. It's like blaming a 2 point loss on going 16-20 from the line when you also shot 3-17 from 3. Technically you're right, but you're ignoring the bigger issue.

We were 24-45 with 13 games to go. Instead of closing the tank properly we inexplicably go 5-8 down the stretch to take us out of good lotto position. We could have easily lost out, and it would have been totally explainable.

Okay so if I’m remembering correctly that was Knox’s draft so we already had Ntlikina. Which means this was the season they traded for the goat Trey Burke who was actually the biggest reason we were winning games. DOT is obsessed with thinking 0-27 wasn’t possible but it was 100% possible. Knicks won some heartbreakers bc of the dumbasses they picked up throughout the season.

But in all reality we likely don’t pick Doncic anyway. Bc theyre the Knicks.

Oh and our package would’ve been better than the Mavs bc Knicks pick is always more valuable. We are more likely to give another team a high draft pick than a team like the Mavs and the Hawks would’ve obliged.

Good work if you can find it.

We'll get LeBron at 39 years old before we get Luca...and LeBron would be a shell of his former self...

whocares1 wrote: DOT is obsessed with thinking 0-27 wasn’t possible but it was 100% possible.

Name me a team that lost 27 straight games in one season

It's just never happened. Technically possible, but not realistic, even for the worst team in the league in any given year

You guys are obsessed with thinking going 0-30 was not only possible but a realistic expectation once KP went down. The way we started that season took us out of Luka range, not how we finished it

I just don't get why y'all are so obsessed with this narrative that it was the choice to not tank after losing KP which cost us Luka. We were never gonna get him without starting the year tanking. So it's just a way for y'all to get yourselves more mad. I guess some people enjoy being angry about everything, I'm just pointing out that your anger in this instance is misplaced.

If Luka ever leaves Dallas, it will be for the Lakers, not the Knicks.

The Knicks would not have drafted him had they had a top 3 pick in 2018 anyway.

Check Perry's draft record as an executive after 2007. Nothing suggests that he can identify and draft talent. I suspect Perry would have targeted Bagley.

Sark wrote:We could have just drafted him, if we just tanked as soon as KP got hurt. But nope, we had to unsuccessfully push for the playoffs with Hardaway, Enes Kanter, and Kyle O'Quinn leading the way.

The stupidity of this organization is limitless.

As matter of fact, we tanked really hard after KP downfall. Since the game that KP got hurt, we only had 6 victories in 28 games. It's 21,4% of victories. When we tanked for KP and RJ, we also had pretty much the same number - 20,7% of victories.

Only 34 times in all the NBA history, a team had in a season 20% or less. It's really hard to lose 4 games of each 5 games.

whocares1 wrote:

Sark wrote:

DOT wrote:We were 23-31 going into the game KP got hurt

The Hawks, who got the 3rd pick, ended the season with a record of 24-58. So technically, you're correct, but we would have had to go 0-28 down the stretch, literally winless

Instead, we went 6-22, which was the worst record in the league. So we would've needed to trade up to get him, and outbid the Mavs in doing so in any scenario other than us losing 30 straight games (we'd lost the two before KP got hurt)

It's not a defense of any decisions made by the org, but the whole narrative that it was the games after losing KP that took us out of the Doncic race is pretty ridiculous. We went from a 35 win pace to a 9 win pace. It's like blaming a 2 point loss on going 16-20 from the line when you also shot 3-17 from 3. Technically you're right, but you're ignoring the bigger issue.

We were 24-45 with 13 games to go. Instead of closing the tank properly we inexplicably go 5-8 down the stretch to take us out of good lotto position. We could have easily lost out, and it would have been totally explainable.

Okay so if I’m remembering correctly that was Knox’s draft so we already had Ntlikina. Which means this was the season they traded for the goat Trey Burke who was actually the biggest reason we were winning games. DOT is obsessed with thinking 0-27 wasn’t possible but it was 100% possible. Knicks won some heartbreakers bc of the dumbasses they picked up throughout the season.

But in all reality we likely don’t pick Doncic anyway. Bc theyre the Knicks.

Oh and our package would’ve been better than the Mavs bc Knicks pick is always more valuable. We are more likely to give another team a high draft pick than a team like the Mavs and the Hawks would’ve obliged.

1) Players do not tank. They want stats, victories, contracts, and money. They do not care about the franchise. Especially the scrubs we had that were not long-term players.

2) We did not have one specific player that was winning us games. Even Burke was a scrub who could not defend anything. If he helped us in the offensive end, he hurt us on the defense. If we get rid of one of the scrubs, the replacement scrub could take the opportunity to shine, play the game of his life and give us the win. A lot of teams were tanking too or playing without their stars or like they were in the playground thinking about the playoffs. It was not so easy to lose all.

3) Dallas paid little to get Doncic because The Hawks loved Trae Young, who was also a Top pick. To get pick #9 instead of the #5, the additional price would be much higher.

Also, convincing Luka right now is illegal and not binding. We could endure severe punishment and the Luka is free to change his mind until 2026.

since Sham is still MIA, I'll do it:

jesus.