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Re: OT: 4 Cops Arrested in Breonna Taylor murder 

Post#21 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Aug 9, 2022 6:48 am

Luv those Knicks wrote:Maybe we need another Mueller thread. I think most of us agree on this one though. Not much of a debate. Good that some cops will face charges. Bad that more isn't being done.


We can't even get the George Floyd bill passed. But at least bad cops are beginning to get held accountable. We still have a ways to go. We need to have independent state commissions to review the actions of both police and prosecutors.

NY AG, Leticia James, just established a new bureau designed to take complaInts against law enforcement. NYS also has a Commission on Prosecutorial Conduct that Cuomo signed into law. The Commission, however, is not yet receiving complaints to my knowledge. I’m not sure what the hold up is.

I believe that there is a trend in the direction of law enforcement accountability, which is long overdue. There are encouraging signs, but it's slow cooking.

https://ag.ny.gov/bureau/LEMIO

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There's also this ... (Btw, I have personally filed disciplinary complaints against prosecutors with the state grievance committees but they just sit on them. :noway: )

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/22/nyregion/ny-prosecutors-misconduct.html

Court Win Bolsters Push to Highlight Prosecutors’ Misconduct
A group of law professors have tried to strengthen the disciplinary process for prosecuting attorneys by making complaints public.

By Jonah E. Bromwich
July 22, 2022

A group of law professors have published new complaints against 17 New York prosecutors, highlighting behavior that in many cases sent innocent people to prison, the latest salvo in a push for accountability that last month was given new life by a federal court.

One prosecutor was found by the Brooklyn district attorney’s office to have withheld key evidence in a trial, sending an innocent man to prison for more than 24 years. Another declined to tell a jury of the lenient plea deals that a key witness received in exchange for testifying, sending two men to prison for nearly 17 years. A third allowed a witness to lie; the defendant in that case spent almost six years in prison.

A number of the grievances recently filed by the law professors concern cases from the early 1990s when crime was high and there was political pressure to win convictions. The professors, who mostly teach at New York schools, aim to bring public attention to prosecutorial misconduct and spur the state disciplinary process.

In each of the complaints, either a judge or a district attorney’s office had previously recognized the wrongdoing. But there were no public records of discipline for any of the prosecutors, many of whom are still working in the city’s justice system. One has taught a course on legal ethics.

“It’s relatively easy to land on your feet and go somewhere else,” said Daniel Medwed, one of the group of six law professors, who along with posting the complaints online, submitted the grievances to the state committees responsible for disciplining lawyers. The grievances, which are reviewed by committees made up of lawyers and non-lawyers alike, can lead to public admonition, suspension and even disbarment. But experts say that rarely happens, and complaints often remain private.

“Most prosecutors don’t get sanctioned and most lawyers don’t get sanctioned,” said Bruce Green, who directs a center for legal ethics at Fordham University. Mr. Green is not among the law professors who filed the complaints.

It was not a given that the professors could post their complaints publicly. After filing a first round of grievances last year, they were warned by the city’s top lawyer, James Johnson, that publicizing the files was a breach of the state law that keeps attorney’s disciplinary records confidential.

The law professors, working in partnership with Civil Rights Corps, a nonprofit that fights for criminal justice reform, filed suit against Mr. Johnson’s successor, Georgia Pestana, as well as the Queens district attorney and several grievance committee officials. In June, a federal judge, Victor Marrero, ruled in their favor, saying that the First Amendment prohibited the state from blocking the professors’ actions. Some parts of the decision are under appeal but in the meantime, the professors have posted a new round of complaints.

The complaints arrive at a time of uncertainty for the future of prosecution. While prosecutors looking to reform the criminal justice system have continued to win elections, elevated gun crime and shifting perceptions of crime overall have disrupted the momentum of the progressive prosecutor movement. Those crosswinds contributed to the high-profile recall of San Francisco’s district attorney, Chesa Boudin.

The law professors say that the current climate makes it all the more important to illuminate prosecutorial wrongdoing. Mr. Medwed, who teaches at Northeastern University in Massachusetts, cited Mr. Boudin’s recall and the opposition faced by Los Angeles’s district attorney, George Gascon, also facing a recall effort. Mr. Medwed said “more conservative crime control elements are afoot,” that could result in renewed pressure on prosecutors to win convictions.

“That’s all the more reason for there to be greater transparency and greater accountability,” Mr. Medwed said.

One of the cases highlighted by the professors dates back to the winter of 1991, when a man named Andre Hatchett was arrested by the police a week after the discovery of a murdered woman.

Only one witness — Jerry Williams, who had been arrested in an unrelated burglary — identified Mr. Hatchett as the perpetrator, after having initially identified another man.

The prosecutor, Nicholas Fengos, did not alert Mr. Hatchett’s lawyer to the conflicting identifications. Mr. Fengos also did not take issue with an inconsistency between what Mr. Williams had told investigators — that he used crack cocaine on the day of the homicide — and what he told the jury, which was that he had never used the drug. Despite those and other improbabilities in Mr. Williams’s account of the murder, Mr. Fengos went forward with the prosecution and won a conviction.

Mr. Hatchett spent nearly 25 years in prison before the King’s County district attorney’s office, after reviewing his case, recommended that a court strike the conviction. Mr. Hatchett later won a wrongful conviction lawsuit for $12 million.

The professors are calling for Mr. Fengos, who works for the state prison system and remains a licensed attorney, to be suspended or disbarred. Mr. Fengos did not respond to voice messages seeking comment.

Asked why her group was focusing on cases that had been handled decades ago, often by zealous public servants, Cynthia Godsoe, a professor at Brooklyn Law School, said that prosecutors were not supposed to work zealously.

“Their mandate is to act in the interest of justice,” she said. “If people don’t want to do that, and be extra careful to play by the rules — that’s what they’re supposed to do — then they shouldn’t be prosecutors.”

The professors are hoping that public pressure will compel the grievance committees to take a closer look at their complaints. Laws shield prosecutors from civil pressure and the committees allow lawyers to mete out discipline to each other, in a system where there is little oversight.

Late last year, New York’s chief judge appointed three members to a newly created State Commission on Prosecutorial Conduct. But the commission has little independent disciplinary power; the law requires it to submit its findings to the grievance committees — at which point the committees would again be responsible for any consequences.

The commission has yet to take any public action. One of its appointees, Michael A. Simons, the dean of St. John’s University School of Law, did not respond to a request for comment. And so the professors, fresh from their lawsuit, still see a place for their work.

“We are trying to make systemic change, to make the grievance committee or more broadly the government, do their job,” Ms. Godsoe said. “We want to shed a spotlight: What are they actually doing? People have a right to know.”
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Re: OT: 4 Cops Arrested in Breonna Taylor murder 

Post#22 » by 8516knicks » Tue Aug 9, 2022 11:39 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
8516knicks wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
I don't plan on it

Merrick Garland made public statements about this case in particular. He's evidently well aware of its importance and using this case to set an example

Thus far, his appointment to run the DOJ has been one of the best things about the Biden administration and he should get credit where credit is due


Troubling he let Mark Meadows walk... :o


Wrong



I see u missed the headline:
DOJ declines to charge Meadows and Scavino with contempt of Congress

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/03/politics/justice-department-declines-charge-meadows-scavino-january-6/index.html
CNN)The Department of Justice has informed the House select committee investigating the January 6, 2021, insurrection that it will not indict two former Trump White House officials found in contempt by the committee.
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Re: OT: 4 Cops Arrested in Breonna Taylor murder 

Post#23 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Aug 9, 2022 1:00 pm

8516knicks wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
8516knicks wrote:
Troubling he let Mark Meadows walk... :o


Wrong



I see u missed the headline:
DOJ declines to charge Meadows and Scavino with contempt of Congress

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/03/politics/justice-department-declines-charge-meadows-scavino-january-6/index.html
CNN)The Department of Justice has informed the House select committee investigating the January 6, 2021, insurrection that it will not indict two former Trump White House officials found in contempt by the committee.


Meadows will get his. He's the most likely individual to see jail time out of the whole sordid mess.
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Re: OT: 4 Cops Arrested in Breonna Taylor murder 

Post#24 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Aug 9, 2022 2:32 pm

8516knicks wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
8516knicks wrote:
Troubling he let Mark Meadows walk... :o


Wrong



I see u missed the headline:
DOJ declines to charge Meadows and Scavino with contempt of Congress

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/03/politics/justice-department-declines-charge-meadows-scavino-january-6/index.html
CNN)The Department of Justice has informed the House select committee investigating the January 6, 2021, insurrection that it will not indict two former Trump White House officials found in contempt by the committee.


I'm trying to spare Wingo here. Use your head. Put 2 + 2 together. The DOJ rung up Bannon to set an example. They did not do the same to Meadows for contempt of Congress because he is at the center of the Jan. 6 investigation and he is too valuable to waste on smaller charges. It's so obvious. Please look deeper into it
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Re: OT: 4 Cops Arrested in Breonna Taylor murder 

Post#25 » by nedleeds » Tue Aug 9, 2022 7:04 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Authoritarians rarely just own the boot on the neck. They have to make it the others fault and then "clean up the problem"


We have the most authoritarian regimes on record with respect to personal privacy. This all starts with an end to qualified immunity which neither useless party seems interested in. End the DEA, end the FBI war on drugs and most of all END THE KICK BACKS FROM THE DRUG WAR TO THE LOCAL COPS. These local cops aren't doing this because it's fun they put innocents like Taylor at risk because it's a core part of their budget.

Throw in 1033, which basically takes federal money and arms local police to "fiGhT thE wAR oN druGs!", which translates as buy military gear and vehicles.

And the grand daddy of all the racially biased legislation still on the books, CCCA 1984. This is a bill with essentially no popular support either from liberals or conservatives. But endures through every regime, democrat or republican. A bill authored by **** Strom Thurmond and Joe Biden. 85% of the proceeds of federal asset forfeiture go to agencies that police communities that are majority people of color. All to siphon tax free drug money back into the giant government toilet.

https://engage.drugpolicy.org/secure/end-police-militarization-fueled-drug-war

https://drugpolicy.org/issues/policing
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Re: OT: 4 Cops Arrested in Breonna Taylor murder 

Post#26 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Aug 9, 2022 8:07 pm

nedleeds wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Authoritarians rarely just own the boot on the neck. They have to make it the others fault and then "clean up the problem"


We have the most authoritarian regimes on record with respect to personal privacy. This all starts with an end to qualified immunity which neither useless party seems interested in. End the DEA, end the FBI war on drugs and most of all END THE KICK BACKS FROM THE DRUG WAR TO THE LOCAL COPS. These local cops aren't doing this because it's fun they put innocents like Taylor at risk because it's a core part of their budget.

Throw in 1033, which basically takes federal money and arms local police to "fiGhT thE wAR oN druGs!", which translates as buy military gear and vehicles.

And the grand daddy of all the racially biased legislation still on the books, CCCA 1984. This is a bill with essentially no popular support either from liberals or conservatives. But endures through every regime, democrat or republican. A bill authored by **** Strom Thurmond and Joe Biden. 85% of the proceeds of federal asset forfeiture go to agencies that police communities that are majority people of color. All to siphon tax free drug money back into the giant government toilet.

https://engage.drugpolicy.org/secure/end-police-militarization-fueled-drug-war

https://drugpolicy.org/issues/policing


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Re: OT: 4 Cops Arrested in Breonna Taylor murder 

Post#27 » by nedleeds » Tue Aug 9, 2022 8:11 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Authoritarians rarely just own the boot on the neck. They have to make it the others fault and then "clean up the problem"


We have the most authoritarian regimes on record with respect to personal privacy. This all starts with an end to qualified immunity which neither useless party seems interested in. End the DEA, end the FBI war on drugs and most of all END THE KICK BACKS FROM THE DRUG WAR TO THE LOCAL COPS. These local cops aren't doing this because it's fun they put innocents like Taylor at risk because it's a core part of their budget.

Throw in 1033, which basically takes federal money and arms local police to "fiGhT thE wAR oN druGs!", which translates as buy military gear and vehicles.

And the grand daddy of all the racially biased legislation still on the books, CCCA 1984. This is a bill with essentially no popular support either from liberals or conservatives. But endures through every regime, democrat or republican. A bill authored by **** Strom Thurmond and Joe Biden. 85% of the proceeds of federal asset forfeiture go to agencies that police communities that are majority people of color. All to siphon tax free drug money back into the giant government toilet.

https://engage.drugpolicy.org/secure/end-police-militarization-fueled-drug-war

https://drugpolicy.org/issues/policing


People love their law and order!


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Post#28 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Aug 9, 2022 8:33 pm

nedleeds wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
We have the most authoritarian regimes on record with respect to personal privacy. This all starts with an end to qualified immunity which neither useless party seems interested in. End the DEA, end the FBI war on drugs and most of all END THE KICK BACKS FROM THE DRUG WAR TO THE LOCAL COPS. These local cops aren't doing this because it's fun they put innocents like Taylor at risk because it's a core part of their budget.

Throw in 1033, which basically takes federal money and arms local police to "fiGhT thE wAR oN druGs!", which translates as buy military gear and vehicles.

And the grand daddy of all the racially biased legislation still on the books, CCCA 1984. This is a bill with essentially no popular support either from liberals or conservatives. But endures through every regime, democrat or republican. A bill authored by **** Strom Thurmond and Joe Biden. 85% of the proceeds of federal asset forfeiture go to agencies that police communities that are majority people of color. All to siphon tax free drug money back into the giant government toilet.

https://engage.drugpolicy.org/secure/end-police-militarization-fueled-drug-war

https://drugpolicy.org/issues/policing


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Re: OT: 4 Cops Arrested in Breonna Taylor murder 

Post#29 » by nedleeds » Tue Aug 9, 2022 8:39 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
People love their law and order!


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The only thing government loves is more government.


IBTL

Here comes the libertarian bro bullsh*t

The Lolbertarians have been nowhere to be found while the states continue to obliterate the constitution with all the above and more.

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At this point I'd give Andrew Yang a better chance as a 3rd Party than the Libertarians.

https://www.forwardparty.com/merger_splash?splash=1
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Post#30 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Aug 9, 2022 8:41 pm

nedleeds wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
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The only thing government loves is more government.


IBTL

Here comes the libertarian bro bullsh*t

The Lolbertarians have been nowhere to be found while the states continue to obliterate the constitution with all the above and more.

Image

At this point I'd give Andrew Yang a better chance as a 3rd Party than the Libertarians.

https://www.forwardparty.com/merger_splash?splash=1


He'd just be more government. Bad.
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Post#31 » by nedleeds » Tue Aug 9, 2022 8:48 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
IBTL

Here comes the libertarian bro bullsh*t

The Lolbertarians have been nowhere to be found while the states continue to obliterate the constitution with all the above and more.

Image

At this point I'd give Andrew Yang a better chance as a 3rd Party than the Libertarians.

https://www.forwardparty.com/merger_splash?splash=1


He'd just be more government. Bad.


Maybe, but the Pubs and Crats are two sides of the same coin. Republicans had control of everything and for a bunch of supposed 2nd amendment advocates they never dissolved the ATF, Dems have had control multiple times and doubled down on the un-constitutional drug war and the war on personal freedom. They are two parasites feeding off each other. Yang is a bit of a whiner, but a real threat from a rational 3rd party as minute a chance as they may have of being competitive with no media, no money, no political currency would be good to see. This past election was the greatest example of giant douche vs. turd sandwich I've ever seen in my lifetime.
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Post#32 » by Pointgod » Tue Aug 9, 2022 9:03 pm

Just remember this when people try to tell you voting doesn’t matter. These cops would be seeing zero charges under Trump’s Department of Justice.
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Post#33 » by nedleeds » Tue Aug 9, 2022 9:39 pm

I'm old enough to remember when this bill died in a split congress.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/s3955
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Re: OT: 4 Cops Arrested in Breonna Taylor murder 

Post#34 » by 8516knicks » Tue Aug 9, 2022 11:25 pm

Wasn't me who ruined it for Wingo!!! :lol:
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Post#35 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:02 am

Pointgod wrote:Just remember this when people try to tell you voting doesn’t matter. These cops would be seeing zero charges under Trump’s Department of Justice.


Right … and the biggy that people seem to forget on voting day: JUDGES
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Post#36 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:03 am

8516knicks wrote:Wasn't me who ruined it for Wingo!!! :lol:


IT’S MY DAMN THREAD! :lol:
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Post#37 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:17 am

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Pointgod wrote:Just remember this when people try to tell you voting doesn’t matter. These cops would be seeing zero charges under Trump’s Department of Justice.


Right … and the biggy that people seem to forget on voting day: JUDGES


Lots of woman of color have been appointed judges under Biden. It's a promise he has kept
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Post#38 » by Pointgod » Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:45 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Pointgod wrote:Just remember this when people try to tell you voting doesn’t matter. These cops would be seeing zero charges under Trump’s Department of Justice.


Right … and the biggy that people seem to forget on voting day: JUDGES


Lots of woman of color have been appointed judges under Biden. It's a promise he has kept


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Post#39 » by 8516knicks » Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:34 am

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8516knicks wrote:Wasn't me who ruined it for Wingo!!! :lol:


IT’S MY DAMN THREAD! :lol:



Don't fret. It's getting to be time for another right wing mass shooting to surface and switch the conversation anyway. :curse: :evil:

That or the recent rumor you-know-who helped sell nuke tech to the Saudis --

Westinghouse was acquired by a subsidiary of Brookfield Asset Management in early 2018.

Brookfield took over a lease of Kushner’s troubled 666 Fifth Avenue office tower. Representatives for Kushner did not immediately respond to CNN’s request for comment.

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Wasn't Brookfield the secret cabal outfit in Robert Ludlum's Borne novels? It was something similar.
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Post#40 » by 8516knicks » Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:36 am

nedleeds wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
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The only thing government loves is more government.


IBTL

Here comes the libertarian bro bullsh*t

The Lolbertarians have been nowhere to be found while the states continue to obliterate the constitution with all the above and more.

Image

At this point I'd give Andrew Yang a better chance as a 3rd Party than the Libertarians.

https://www.forwardparty.com/merger_splash?splash=1


Trying to figure out who is in the pic with Biden? Is it Ed Asner??? :o

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