Does Tom Thibodeau deserve an apology?

[robillionaire]

No

Jalen Brunson is just that good he's able to overcome Thibs.

Cool story.
Playoffs and 4th seed without Brunson .

And winning record this year in 11 games without him

[robillionaire]

He deserves an apology because he started coaching better? No. If you are bad at your job and then over time become better you don’t get an apology for being bad earlier.

If anything he deserves recognition for coaching better, and not leaning on his worst instincts too heavily as we make a push to the playoffs (vets over youth, short rotation, heavy minutes every game for Randle with Obi on the bench).

The common critique of Thibs was all earned through a repetition of his mistakes. Even he thought he was about to fired at one point.

And if he was it would have been a terrible move that destroyed the season

And he does run a short rotation and Randle has the most minutes in the NBA and Toppin barely sees the floor and the short rotation has been very successful than the one earlier in the season and Randle is an all-star.

He shut down Fournier despite the FO gave big money to him, Rose who has been his guy, and Cam who is bad at basketball. Those were all great moves! You usually take 20 games or so to see what you have before you make a huge adjustment. Plus grimes was injured to start the season.

Hart was also his guy and look how that’s working out, 12-3 since the trade

[Meat]

Coaches always want credit for shite they supposed to do

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[8516knicks]

I'll say muted apology at times. But he has some irritating habits (like playing guys into the ground). And being rather unimaginative and slow reacting for game strategy. But, hey, we're winning. So he's at least merited parole!

[nykballa2k4]

And for what it's worth I voted 2.

He is a good coach but not a great coach. At times a terrible absolute brain dead coach. That comes from his stubborn nature

Gift is a curse.

[nykballa2k4]

Coaches always want credit for shite they supposed to do

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[E-Balla]

i think he gets teams to fight harder for him than most coaches are able to in the regular season. but in the playoffs every team plays hard. so people say he can't win in the playoffs but that's because he's being judged against his own regular season records where he has teams overachieving. he's not a brilliant x & o's guy but most coaches aren't.

Correction, he's not a brilliant x and o's guy on offense. Defensively he's the most influential coach of the 2010s.

Thibs is a top 10 coach. Say what you will about playoff success but we're still holding it against him that he couldn't beat a squad that made the Conference Finals with a team that had a 20.5 O/U in Vegas during the preseason.

We're used to watching teams being under prepared and we finally have a coach that has us prepared to compete every night for the last 3 years and that is known to run the toughest practices in the league (which is probably why our young guys are developing so much). I said it when we passed on Thibs in 2018 he'd be out best coach since the last coach he was an assistant for and that's exactly what he has proven himself to be so far. This isn't Woodson succeeding because he has talented rosters. This isn't D'Antoni having mega unbalanced squads because he isn't properly utilizing guys. This is Thibs using the exact rotations and gameplans more astute fans have wanted in conjuncture with a front office that outside of Cam Reddish has picked players that fit the team culture that comes with Thibs.

[KnixtapeH20]

He deserves an apology because he started coaching better? No. If you are bad at your job and then over time become better you don’t get an apology for being bad earlier.

If anything he deserves recognition for coaching better, and not leaning on his worst instincts too heavily as we make a push to the playoffs (vets over youth, short rotation, heavy minutes every game for Randle with Obi on the bench).

The common critique of Thibs was all earned through a repetition of his mistakes. Even he thought he was about to fired at one point.

Well said war

[robillionaire]

i think he gets teams to fight harder for him than most coaches are able to in the regular season. but in the playoffs every team plays hard. so people say he can't win in the playoffs but that's because he's being judged against his own regular season records where he has teams overachieving. he's not a brilliant x & o's guy but most coaches aren't.

Correction, he's not a brilliant x and o's guy on offense. Defensively he's the most influential coach of the 2010s.

Thibs is a top 10 coach. Say what you will about playoff success but we're still holding it against him that he couldn't beat a squad that made the Conference Finals with a team that had a 20.5 O/U in Vegas during the preseason.

We're used to watching teams being under prepared and we finally have a coach that has us prepared to compete every night for the last 3 years and that is known to run the toughest practices in the league (which is probably why our young guys are developing so much). I said it when we passed on Thibs in 2018 he'd be out best coach since the last coach he was an assistant for and that's exactly what he has proven himself to be so far. This isn't Woodson succeeding because he has talented rosters. This isn't D'Antoni having mega unbalanced squads because he isn't properly utilizing guys. This is Thibs using the exact rotations and gameplans more astute fans have wanted in conjuncture with a front office that outside of Cam Reddish has picked players that fit the team culture that comes with Thibs.

Good post, I’d add Fournier and Kemba Walker to the last bit although with Kemba it was maybe more about being washed from injuries. Fournier is just a 4 year 80 million albatross who doesn’t even play in year 2 of the deal now. At least year 4 is a team option

[E-Balla]

i think he gets teams to fight harder for him than most coaches are able to in the regular season. but in the playoffs every team plays hard. so people say he can't win in the playoffs but that's because he's being judged against his own regular season records where he has teams overachieving. he's not a brilliant x & o's guy but most coaches aren't.

Correction, he's not a brilliant x and o's guy on offense. Defensively he's the most influential coach of the 2010s.

Thibs is a top 10 coach. Say what you will about playoff success but we're still holding it against him that he couldn't beat a squad that made the Conference Finals with a team that had a 20.5 O/U in Vegas during the preseason.

We're used to watching teams being under prepared and we finally have a coach that has us prepared to compete every night for the last 3 years and that is known to run the toughest practices in the league (which is probably why our young guys are developing so much). I said it when we passed on Thibs in 2018 he'd be out best coach since the last coach he was an assistant for and that's exactly what he has proven himself to be so far. This isn't Woodson succeeding because he has talented rosters. This isn't D'Antoni having mega unbalanced squads because he isn't properly utilizing guys. This is Thibs using the exact rotations and gameplans more astute fans have wanted in conjuncture with a front office that outside of Cam Reddish has picked players that fit the team culture that comes with Thibs.

Good post, I’d add Fournier and Kemba Walker to the last bit although with Kemba it was maybe more about being washed from injuries. Fournier is just a 4 year 80 million albatross who doesn’t even play in year 2 of the deal now. At least year 4 is a team option

The vet acquisitions have always been different. Those are as much of a cultural/lockerroom pickup as an on the court one. For example Grimes has named four guys when talking about his improvement this year; Penny Hardaway (same agent), Allan Houston, Kemba, and Evan Fournier. And Kemba's professionalism showed when he fell out the lineup. Now Fournier is handling his benching well as well. Rose is too. These aren't there usual NY overpaid washed vets.

Those guys might've not fit that Thibs was doing on the floor, but they fit in the team culture well.

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[robillionaire]

Correction, he's not a brilliant x and o's guy on offense. Defensively he's the most influential coach of the 2010s.

Thibs is a top 10 coach. Say what you will about playoff success but we're still holding it against him that he couldn't beat a squad that made the Conference Finals with a team that had a 20.5 O/U in Vegas during the preseason.

We're used to watching teams being under prepared and we finally have a coach that has us prepared to compete every night for the last 3 years and that is known to run the toughest practices in the league (which is probably why our young guys are developing so much). I said it when we passed on Thibs in 2018 he'd be out best coach since the last coach he was an assistant for and that's exactly what he has proven himself to be so far. This isn't Woodson succeeding because he has talented rosters. This isn't D'Antoni having mega unbalanced squads because he isn't properly utilizing guys. This is Thibs using the exact rotations and gameplans more astute fans have wanted in conjuncture with a front office that outside of Cam Reddish has picked players that fit the team culture that comes with Thibs.

Good post, I’d add Fournier and Kemba Walker to the last bit although with Kemba it was maybe more about being washed from injuries. Fournier is just a 4 year 80 million albatross who doesn’t even play in year 2 of the deal now. At least year 4 is a team option

The vet acquisitions have always been different. Those are as much of a cultural/lockerroom pickup as an on the court one. For example Grimes has named four guys when talking about his improvement this year; Penny Hardaway (same agent), Allan Houston, Kemba, and Evan Fournier. And Kemba's professionalism showed when he fell out the lineup. Now Fournier is handling his benching well as well. Rose is too. These aren't there usual NY overpaid washed vets.

Those guys might've not fit that Thibs was doing on the floor, but they fit in the team culture well.

Watch on YouTube

With Kemba I remember he complained about getting benched when Thibs took him out of the rotation. Then we had an injury so we had to play him again and he had that 44pt game and threw him under the bus for not playing him. Then he broke down again.

Thibs took a lot of criticism for benching Kemba, yet another thing he was proven right about because he was done.

[iLLmatic860]

Thibs is kind of like the perfect coach for the Knicks. He really don't give a **** about anything but basketball. Hes fully committed to winning. Gotta applaud him for that. Hes setting the foundation.

[Capn'O]

i think he gets teams to fight harder for him than most coaches are able to in the regular season. but in the playoffs every team plays hard. so people say he can't win in the playoffs but that's because he's being judged against his own regular season records where he has teams overachieving. he's not a brilliant x & o's guy but most coaches aren't.

Correction, he's not a brilliant x and o's guy on offense. Defensively he's the most influential coach of the 2010s.

Thibs is a top 10 coach. Say what you will about playoff success but we're still holding it against him that he couldn't beat a squad that made the Conference Finals with a team that had a 20.5 O/U in Vegas during the preseason.

We're used to watching teams being under prepared and we finally have a coach that has us prepared to compete every night for the last 3 years and that is known to run the toughest practices in the league (which is probably why our young guys are developing so much). I said it when we passed on Thibs in 2018 he'd be out best coach since the last coach he was an assistant for and that's exactly what he has proven himself to be so far. This isn't Woodson succeeding because he has talented rosters. This isn't D'Antoni having mega unbalanced squads because he isn't properly utilizing guys. This is Thibs using the exact rotations and gameplans more astute fans have wanted in conjuncture with a front office that outside of Cam Reddish has picked players that fit the team culture that comes with Thibs.

I'm still stunned that he actually moved Evan and Rose to the bench. After how many years of the org giving preference to seniority it's very refreshing. No coincidence, the team is getting back on its feet as they've begun to prioritize development. This is everything I've been asking for. I can just enjoy the games now.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Thibs put Chanel into retirement...we should put some respeck on his name.

[Gravy]

Fans here said this was supposed to be the 12th talented roster in the east, so Thibs is elite to have them playing this well. Tell me which NBA coaches are better than Thibs and whats their record and do they have a better roster than the Knicks.

The guy who got a raw deal here was Fizdale, he was told to win with a starting backcourt of Frank and rookie RJ. The bench was DSJ, Knox, Trier, and Dotson. Most coaches are as good as their roster.

[robillionaire]

Fans here said this was supposed to be the 12th talented roster in the east, so Thibs is elite to have them playing this well. Tell me which NBA coaches are better than Thibs and whats their record and do they have a better roster than the Knicks.

The guy who got a raw deal here was Fizdale, he was told to win with a starting backcourt of Frank and rookie RJ. The bench was DSJ, Knox, Trier, and Dotson. Most coaches are as good as their roster.

agreed on 1st point

As far as fizdale goes he got fired in december when we were 4-18 and interim coach mike miller finished it out 17-27 so I think even with the terrible roster Fizdale was pretty bad

[thebuzzardman]

No

Jalen Brunson is just that good he's able to overcome Thibs.

This

[Spot31]

Fans here said this was supposed to be the 12th talented roster in the east, so Thibs is elite to have them playing this well. Tell me which NBA coaches are better than Thibs and whats their record and do they have a better roster than the Knicks.

The guy who got a raw deal here was Fizdale, he was told to win with a starting backcourt of Frank and rookie RJ. The bench was DSJ, Knox, Trier, and Dotson. Most coaches are as good as their roster.

I love the players on this team but we are lottery bound without Thibodeau.

[duetta]

Does Leon Rose deserve an apology?

[BKlutch]

Does Leon Rose deserve an apology?

What for? He got us Brunson, Hart, and iHart this year, but he didn't get us the 2nd coming of Michael Jordan.