[WOJ] Knicks Extend Hart for 4/81

[ctorres]

Are we gonna pay everybody and trade a bunch of these guys for a star or two? I wonder if there is still a chance we make a trade for a Paul George or even a James Harden. Signing a bunch of guys to $20m/yr contracts allows you to trade them for guys making $40-60m/yr

Or maybe they're giving this roster one more year to make a run before making major changes.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Are we gonna pay everybody and trade a bunch of these guys for a star or two? I wonder if there is still a chance we make a trade for a Paul George or even a James Harden. Signing a bunch of guys to $20m/yr contracts allows you to trade them for guys making $40-60m/yr

Or maybe they're giving this roster one more year to make a run before making major changes.

Nobody is going to want Hart or DDV at the numbers they're at, any trade we make for a star is going to be RJ, Grimes, IQ and picks, we have basically nothing else other than that.

[Fat Kat]

Dillon Brooks: 4/$86 Million

[Knicksfan1992]

we plan on operating as an above the cap team for the foreseeable future so the $$$ don't really matter. By not opting out he helped us bring in Donte.

I don't really like this move if this is the team we move forward with. We don't have enough talent.

However, if we do lose significant depth b/c we do address the talent issue (i.e. Joel Embiid, Doncic ), then any coach would like Donte and Hart as guard/forwards off the bench - even at this price point, especially considering the above post and rising cap.

Gotta imagine your 2nd paragraph is what is relevant here. Knicks have made it no secret through the media that they are star hunting.

FO has done a good job at building depth at the off guard and wing positions without burning up too many assets. These seem to be the most important spots in modern NBA team construction to have depth when trying to build a contender around stars.

So let's say the Knicks ended up trading IQ + RJ for a star upgrade down the line.

They'd still have

Grimes
Hart
DDV
McBride

as off guards and wings to flank their eventual star that they pair next to Brunson. It's easy to envision those guys being able to play high level playoff basketball off of 2 stars pretty easily.

Just a matter of the Knicks making the right next big move.

[Adelheid]

he better practice his 3ball...thats a bit much dough even for his calibre of play

perhaps the contract is incentive laden - thats the fad now anyways

[NoDopeOnSundays]

that's kinda on the high end for him. there's no way iq is taking less than this.

I think IQ's days are numbered.

[god shammgod]

that's kinda on the high end for him. there's no way iq is taking less than this.

I think IQ's days are numbered.

maybe if the star trade emerges this year but if not they're gonna have to pay him rather than lose him for nothing.

knicks better hurry up and find something though because they're only gonna have grimes on a rookie scale deal and a bunch of picks that aint gonna be much. they had 4 rookie scale players last summer. now they have 2.

edit - just saw this in another thread. make that 1 rookie scale player.

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knicks assets starting to look like a 2 pack of ass

[RHODEY]

Are we gonna pay everybody and trade a bunch of these guys for a star or two?

That seems to be the plan.

I wonder if there is still a chance we make a trade for a Paul George

Maybe....

or even a James Harden.

I hope not.

Or maybe they're giving this roster one more year to make a run before making major changes.

If we go that route I'm guessing one or even 2 of (IQ,GRIMES, DiVENCZO, HART) would getting getting reduced minutes..assuming everyone is healthy.

[F N 11]

Yay we keeping our good players.

[robillionaire]

I’m good with it

[Fat Kat]

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[Capn'O]

that's kinda on the high end for him. there's no way iq is taking less than this.

I think IQ's days are numbered.

maybe if the star trade emerges this year but if not they're gonna have to pay him rather than lose him for nothing.

knicks better hurry up and find something though because they're only gonna have grimes on a rookie scale deal and a bunch of picks that aint gonna be much. they had 4 rookie scale players last summer. now they have 2.

edit - just saw this in another thread. make that 1 rookie scale player.

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knicks assets starting to look like a 2 pack of ass

Could be a lateral move too. We have a ton of 2s and 3s.

[god shammgod]

I think IQ's days are numbered.

maybe if the star trade emerges this year but if not they're gonna have to pay him rather than lose him for nothing.

knicks better hurry up and find something though because they're only gonna have grimes on a rookie scale deal and a bunch of picks that aint gonna be much. they had 4 rookie scale players last summer. now they have 2.

edit - just saw this in another thread. make that 1 rookie scale player.

Read on Twitter

knicks assets starting to look like a 2 pack of ass

Could be a lateral move too. We have a ton of 2s and 3s.

they're all kind of short

[SelbyCobra]

Because he opted in for this coming year, the Hart contract extension doesn't kick in until 2024. The projected cap in 2024 is just short of $150M, I believe. That makes this a 13.5% contract, which is a very, very good deal for the Knicks if Hart is simply a positive contributor. If he's more, then it becomes a steal.

Other deals in recent history that Hart's deal is slightly under in terms of cap impact:

2014, Lance Stephenson (IND), 3/$27M - 14.3%
2016, Eric Gordon (HOU), 4/$53M - 14.1%
2017, Mason Plumlee (DEN), 3/$41M - 13.8%
2019, Bobby Portis (NYK), 2/$31M - 14.2%

To put it in perspective, Fournier's contract with the Knicks was a noticeably more burdensome 16.2% deal, Derrick Rose's Knicks contract from 2021 was a very similar deal at 12.9%, and the 4/$65M the Kings gave to Huerter in 2022 is even more comparable at 13.1%.

[RHODEY]

I think IQ's days are numbered.

maybe if the star trade emerges this year but if not they're gonna have to pay him rather than lose him for nothing.

knicks better hurry up and find something though because they're only gonna have grimes on a rookie scale deal and a bunch of picks that aint gonna be much. they had 4 rookie scale players last summer. now they have 2.

edit - just saw this in another thread. make that 1 rookie scale player.

Read on Twitter

knicks assets starting to look like a 2 pack of ass

Could be a lateral move too. We have a ton of 2s and 3s.

And most of them are 6'4"or below.

[nedleeds]

1/2 a decade of 28 year old Josh Hart ladies and gentleman.

Young Sam Rose gets a new lambo and we now have

A roster of seven players under contract for a combined $129,232,268 (130) - Brunson, Barrett, Hart, Randle, Robinson, Donte and Grimes.

IQ resigns at 18-20 brings the payroll to ~$150 the super **** you apron is $190.

For a team without a top 10 player on the roster.

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[Guano]

that's kinda on the high end for him. there's no way iq is taking less than this.

I think IQ's days are numbered.

maybe if the star trade emerges this year but if not they're gonna have to pay him rather than lose him for nothing.

knicks better hurry up and find something though because they're only gonna have grimes on a rookie scale deal and a bunch of picks that aint gonna be much. they had 4 rookie scale players last summer. now they have 2.

edit - just saw this in another thread. make that 1 rookie scale player.

Read on Twitter

knicks assets starting to look like a 2 pack of ass

I'm just glad it looks like we're keeping iq

[Zenzibar]

Hopefully retires a Knick.

This bench unit might be really fun to watch

IQ
DDV
Hart
RJ
Hartenstein

Exactly

I would argue it's the 1st or second best bench in recent Knicks history.

This backcourt depth can't get enough ferocious with the IQ, Grimes, Brunson, JHart and DD additions.
We're a backup 4 away from being in that scary team area code.

[Guano]

Hopefully retires a Knick.

This bench unit might be really fun to watch

IQ
DDV
Hart
RJ
Hartenstein

Exactly

I would argue it's the 1st or second best bench in recent Knicks history.

This backcourt depth can't get enough ferocious with the IQ, Grimes, Brunson, JHart and DD additions.
We're a backup 4 away from being in that scary team area code.

Scary how they all turned into ghost during the playoffs

[j4remi]

Because he opted in for this coming year, the Hart contract extension doesn't kick in until 2024. The projected cap in 2024 is just short of $150M, I believe. That makes this a 13.5% contract, which is a very, very good deal for the Knicks if Hart is simply a positive contributor. If he's more, then it becomes a steal.

Other deals in recent history that Hart's deal is slightly under in terms of cap impact:

2014, Lance Stephenson (IND), 3/$27M - 14.3%
2016, Eric Gordon (HOU), 4/$53M - 14.1%
2017, Mason Plumlee (DEN), 3/$41M - 13.8%
2019, Bobby Portis (NYK), 2/$31M - 14.2%

To put it in perspective, Fournier's contract with the Knicks was a noticeably more burdensome 16.2% deal, Derrick Rose's Knicks contract from 2021 was a very similar deal at 12.9%, and the 4/$65M the Kings gave to Huerter in 2022 is even more comparable at 13.1%.

Thanks for the breakdown on this.