OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2

[mpharris36]

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everyone calm down

[MrDollarBills]

Expecting some team to sign him off our PS

If that happens, I hope Joe Schoen knows how to fight because I'm going to find him and tell him to square up.

We potentially need to cut someone to retain Pugh, because he can refuse to go back to the PS. It shouldn't be a problem though, since I know at least 2-3 people on our O Line who aren't NFL players.

Exactly.

Aside from AT, JMS, and Bredeson, I could care less. They all should feel uncomfortable.

[MrDollarBills]

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everyone calm down

[GONYK]

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[Ghetto Gospel]

barnwell has 3 players on our team worth 1 first-round pick or more. not sure i think kayvon getting us a first though

Spoiler:

One first-round pick and change: OT Andrew Thomas. The best draft pick of the Dave Gettleman era, Thomas has grown even more valuable as the Giants have failed to protect their quarterbacks in his absence. Thomas, the No. 4 overall pick in the 2020 draft, gets more help than most left tackles when he's on the field, but he is still a valuable young player at a premium position.

One first-round pick: OLB Kayvon Thibodeaux, CB Deonte Banks. Thibodeaux already has matched his 2022 season-long total with four sacks through the first six games. His 13 initial pressures tie the second-year defender with Josh Sweat, Javon Hargrave and Trey Hendrickson, although it helps that the Giants have faced the fourth-most passes of any team so far. Thibodeaux is on pace to finish with 11 sacks and 37 knockdowns; if he gets there, he'll be up with Thomas as a more valuable player for New York.

Just about nothing has gone right for coach Brian Daboll & Co. this season, but the early returns on Banks are promising. He has played about 80% of the defensive snaps and allowed an 84.1 passer rating in coverage, which is 10 points below the rating the team allowed. The first-round pick has had hiccups, but by the standards of rookie cornerbacks, he's off to a solid start.

Missing out: The other various top-10 picks don't come close here. QB Daniel Jones' contract is already underwater, RB Saquon Barkley is a free agent after the season, and OT Evan Neal has been a replacement-level right tackle. Neal might not go in the first two rounds if teams could re-draft the 2022 class right now.

DTs Dexter Lawrence and Leonard Williams are very good against the run, but they're also on mammoth contracts and don't have the consistent pass-rushing success that usually comes along with defensive linemen who are dealt for first-round picks. S Xavier McKinney is solid and is asked to do a lot in Don Martindale's blitz-happy system, but it seems telling that the Giants aren't desperate to extend the pending free agent.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/38682412/nfl-trade-tiers-all-32-teams-2023-players-worth-first-round-pick-contract-value

[DOT]

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Tonight is the one time I won't complain if everything is screens and quick passes lol

Also, I don't know about how y'all feel about Evan Engram, but this was a nice read: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38681893/how-tight-end-evan-engram-found-home-jacksonville-jaguars-new-york-giants

Dude's been real good for us, but I get why y'all let him go.

[MrDollarBills]

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Must be nice

[Ghetto Gospel]

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i mean.. definitely gets my attention

[KOA]

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i mean.. definitely gets my attention

Sample size is actually even smaller since 3 of those 5 games were in his freshman year, 1 his sophomore year, and 1 this current year.

[DOT]

To me, it says Caleb is more in the Bryce Young, Kyler Murray tier of #1 overall picks than in the Trevor Lawrence, Andrew Luck tier.

[mpharris36]

To me, it says Caleb is more in the Bryce Young, Kyler Murray tier of #1 overall picks than in the Trevor Lawrence, Andrew Luck tier.

that doesn't sound promising....

[MrDollarBills]

To me, it says Caleb is more in the Bryce Young, Kyler Murray tier of #1 overall picks than in the Trevor Lawrence, Andrew Luck tier.

that doesn't sound promising....

Not at all.

[DOT]

To me, it says Caleb is more in the Bryce Young, Kyler Murray tier of #1 overall picks than in the Trevor Lawrence, Andrew Luck tier.

that doesn't sound promising....

Not at all.

It's not that he's bad, it's that he isn't situation-proof

Like, it depends on the team drafting 1st overall. He's still well worth that #1 overall pick because he has the potential to be a franchise guy, but he has a lot of red flags that means the team can't just throw him out there with no plan, he needs to be developed.

[MrDollarBills]

that doesn't sound promising....

Not at all.

It's not that he's bad, it's that he isn't situation-proof

Like, it depends on the team drafting 1st overall. He's still well worth that #1 overall pick because he has the potential to be a franchise guy, but he has a lot of red flags that means the team can't just throw him out there with no plan, he needs to be developed.

What a great opportunity. That means he came come to New York and sit behind Danny for a year instead of getting shell shocked into submission behind our offensive line

[Spree2Houston]

Drake Maye will be the better QB

[cgmw]

I have no logical reason to predict this, but I bet the Giants upset the Washington Football Team on their way to winning just enough second half games to draft maybe 8th overall.

[MrDollarBills]

I have no logical reason to predict this, but I bet the Giants upset the Washington Football Team on their way to winning just enough second half games to draft maybe 8th overall.

If that happens I won't be upset. It would be reassuring to see Daboll right the ship in some manner.

[Synciere]

I have no logical reason to predict this, but I bet the Giants upset the Washington Football Team on their way to winning just enough second half games to draft maybe 8th overall.

If that happens I won't be upset. It would be reassuring to see Daboll right the ship in some manner.

Redskins are the only team we’ve had any success against in the past decade. We’ll see, but I’m thinking this is a tank win waiting to happen.

[Ghetto Gospel]

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i mean.. definitely gets my attention

Sample size is actually even smaller since 3 of those 5 games were in his freshman year, 1 his sophomore year, and 1 this current year.

idk he looked pretty bad against ND last week and then got outplayed by the utah backup qb last night. it's not like USC lacks talent either.

it's just an observation, you still have to take him at #1 i'm pretty sure

[Ghetto Gospel]

i will say though, it's kinda weird whenever i see giants fans praying on this caleb williams downfall.

it doesn't make daniel jones look any better, and if anything we should hope he's better cause we legitimately have a shot to get him