Around The NBA - Regular Season version (Harden traded...now what?)

[god shammgod]

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I knew it... they will try to package whatever draft capital to get an All-Star level player. I could see Lavine or DeRozen being available if sh.it hits the fan.

I'm afraid that it will be enough for Embiid to stay where he's at. Maxey is rapidly rising, Embiid is a top 10 player and you acquire an All Star. Why wouldn't he want to stay?

we were never getting embiid anyway

[Jeffrey]

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I knew it... they will try to package whatever draft capital to get an All-Star level player. I could see Lavine or DeRozen being available if sh.it hits the fan.

I'm afraid that it will be enough for Embiid to stay where he's at. Maxey is rapidly rising, Embiid is a top 10 player and you acquire an All Star. Why wouldn't he want to stay?

we were never getting embiid anyway

KAT it is.

[Jalen Bluntson]

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I would go OG if I were them. They can find random 3PT bombers.

What does their war chest look like going forward? Cap space/picks/players? What are they shipping out in trade?

[8516knicks]

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[j4remi]

Since someone brought up Duren, I think we should re-litigate the 2022 draft night

We originally had the 11th pick, we traded it for 3 future 1sts, all conditional, two of which haven't transferred, the other was the 27th pick in 2023. So far, not great especially because the other 2 firsts are Washington and Detroit picks, both heavily protected

We then traded the pick which ended up 27th in 2023 (became Nick Smith Jr., too early to judge anyone here) along with 3 future 2nds which became the 39th, 41st, and 53rd picks for the 13th pick

So far, we sent out the 11th pick, a future 39th, 41st, and 53rd pick for 13 and two future heavily protected 1sts

We then traded pick 13 for Milwaukee's 2025 pick (protected 1-4) and to get rid of 1 year, 9 million dollars of Kemba's salary

So to sum up, we traded the 11th pick, a future 39th, 41st, and 53rd pick, and a 1 year, 9 million dollar contract for Detroit and Washington's 1sts top 10 protected for at least 3 more years and Milwaukee's 2025 first, top 4 protected (and if it is in the top 4, it goes to Nola and we get nothing)

It shouldn't be Jalen Duren we're talking about, we also missed out on Jalen Williams, Mark Williams, AJ Griffin, and Tari Eason to name a few. All would be key rotation guys

And before we get into the "we had to trade a 1st to get rid of Kemba's salary to sign Brunson, Leon is elite!" Leon is the one who gave Kemba that contract in the first place, same with Noel, Rose, Burks, Fournier, Hart, and DiVincenzo.

I didn't like the two year deals for Noel Rose Burks. Fournier was a guy I wanted to trade for when it only cost a 2nd, Knicks said no, then gave him that ridiculous deal SMH. Kemba I'll take the L on. He was horrific

The two-year deals for Rose, Noel, and Burks weren't even really a problem if Leon dealt those guys when there was interest at the trade deadline. All three had rumored offers of second-round picks and Leon held out for more value. Kemba, the extra year was a massive mistake.

But I still don't think it's fair to use that as an excuse to ignore that the draft night trades ended up creating the cap space to sign Jalen Brunson and Isaiah Hartenstein. Trading the 11th pick and some seconds for multiple protected picks that may or may not convey looks awful...but throw in that it produced cap space that wound up being one of the best Knicks' FA signings ever and yeah...Leon did a good thing.

The prior moves were bad, and hanging on to those contracts too long was terrible (and seems like a pattern with Leon), but whether it wound up being Duren or any number of other players people like, none of them would have been better than ending draft night in a position to sign Jalen Brunson.

[god shammgod]

I knew it... they will try to package whatever draft capital to get an All-Star level player. I could see Lavine or DeRozen being available if sh.it hits the fan.

I'm afraid that it will be enough for Embiid to stay where he's at. Maxey is rapidly rising, Embiid is a top 10 player and you acquire an All Star. Why wouldn't he want to stay?

we were never getting embiid anyway

KAT it is.

no

[god shammgod]

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I would go OG if I were them. They can find random 3PT bombers.

What does their war chest look like going forward? Cap space/picks/players? What are they shipping out in trade?

they don't have their own picks in 2025 or 2027 from the ben simmons/harden trade. this trade allows them now to trade up to 3 1sts i think because you just have to have a pick every other year, it doesn't have to be your own. now they have 2 first in both 2026/2028 so they can trade 26/28/30. they can't trade 32 because you can only trade up to 7 years in the future.

[Wildcat]

Knicks holding the bag again, huh? Not that I wanted Harden here, but this trade was made for flexibility. Suddenly NYK's flexibility doesn't look all that inciting. Seems like the front office is playing checkers again.

[god shammgod]

Knicks holding the bag again, huh? Not that I wanted Harden here, but this trade was made for flexibility. Suddenly NYK's flexibility doesn't look all that inciting. Seems like the front office is playing checkers again.

the knicks are operating from a position of weakness because they don't have the top player to build around. it's much easier to get the secondary stars like we've seen in milwauke, twice, and will likely see in philly twice. if the knicks trade for these guys they're aren't likely to be good enough after and may not have enough assets left for the big star (who they're likely never getting anyway). this is probably just a bad plan.

[DaGawd]

Knicks holding the bag again, huh? Not that I wanted Harden here, but this trade was made for flexibility. Suddenly NYK's flexibility doesn't look all that inciting. Seems like the front office is playing checkers again.

knicks clearly holding out hoping to trade for an mvp candidate.. only issue is that really feels like pie in the sky right now more than ever, the most attainable guy might be donovan mitchell at some point. i do not think we’re getting embiid

[KnicksGadfly]

Knicks holding the bag again, huh? Not that I wanted Harden here, but this trade was made for flexibility. Suddenly NYK's flexibility doesn't look all that inciting. Seems like the front office is playing checkers again.

If you didn’t want Harden, then what would you want the Knicks to do in this instance?

[Oscirus]

Knicks holding the bag again, huh? Not that I wanted Harden here, but this trade was made for flexibility. Suddenly NYK's flexibility doesn't look all that inciting. Seems like the front office is playing checkers again.

we have fake flexibility. you want flexibility, look at the pelicans or the thunder

[mpharris36]

Knicks holding the bag again, huh? Not that I wanted Harden here, but this trade was made for flexibility. Suddenly NYK's flexibility doesn't look all that inciting. Seems like the front office is playing checkers again.

the knicks are operating from a position of weakness because they don't have the top player to build around. it's much easier to get the secondary stars like we've seen in milwauke, twice, and will likely see in philly twice. if the knicks trade for these guys they're aren't likely to be good enough after and may not have enough assets left for the big star (who they're likely never getting anyway). this is probably just a bad plan.

we all know where this plan leads. We end up trading for that secondary star...Donovan Mitchell because he wants to come here. And it will bring excitement because Mitchell is a really good player. But the fit will be clunky and its a move that doesn't really put us over the top...but its keep us relevant and really good for a while and I think thats all they are really trying to achieve.

[god shammgod]

Knicks holding the bag again, huh? Not that I wanted Harden here, but this trade was made for flexibility. Suddenly NYK's flexibility doesn't look all that inciting. Seems like the front office is playing checkers again.

the knicks are operating from a position of weakness because they don't have the top player to build around. it's much easier to get the secondary stars like we've seen in milwauke, twice, and will likely see in philly twice. if the knicks trade for these guys they're aren't likely to be good enough after and may not have enough assets left for the big star (who they're likely never getting anyway). this is probably just a bad plan.

we all know where this plan leads. We end up trading for that secondary star...Donovan Mitchell because he wants to come here. And it will bring excitement because Mitchell is a really good player. But the fit will be clunky and its a move that doesn't really put us over the top...but its keep us relevant and really good for a while and I think thats all they are really trying to achieve.

yep. and after being a joke franchise for so long it's hard to argue that they should have bottomed out for another 3 or 4 years. because even if you pick well you might not draft a wemby. there isn't one of those guys in every class. and you won't always pick 1st when there is.

[DaGawd]

the knicks are operating from a position of weakness because they don't have the top player to build around. it's much easier to get the secondary stars like we've seen in milwauke, twice, and will likely see in philly twice. if the knicks trade for these guys they're aren't likely to be good enough after and may not have enough assets left for the big star (who they're likely never getting anyway). this is probably just a bad plan.

we all know where this plan leads. We end up trading for that secondary star...Donovan Mitchell because he wants to come here. And it will bring excitement because Mitchell is a really good player. But the fit will be clunky and its a move that doesn't really put us over the top...but its keep us relevant and really good for a while and I think thats all they are really trying to achieve.

yep. and after being a joke franchise for so long it's hard to argue that they should have bottomed out for another 3 or 4 years. because even if you pick well you might not draft a wemby. there isn't one of those guys in every class. and you won't always pick 1st when there is.

basically yep, i know folks romanticize the idea of tanking and that leading to drafting a young superstar that stays with the franchise for their entire career and becomes a legend and that all sounds nice and good but it rarely turns out that way most times. you have to really get struck my lightning type lucky. at least being good and entertaining for a few prolonged years might get the loser stench of this organization put behind us and younger stars might start looking at us as an option down the road

[Capn'O]

and it was very obvious kemba was finished before we got him. the guaranteed 2nd year on the deal was ridiculous.

Me and you fought this board when they all thought kemba had plenty left in the tank

who was that one guy who wanted to box people who thought kemba was washed ?

Was that Dick?

[mpharris36]

the knicks are operating from a position of weakness because they don't have the top player to build around. it's much easier to get the secondary stars like we've seen in milwauke, twice, and will likely see in philly twice. if the knicks trade for these guys they're aren't likely to be good enough after and may not have enough assets left for the big star (who they're likely never getting anyway). this is probably just a bad plan.

we all know where this plan leads. We end up trading for that secondary star...Donovan Mitchell because he wants to come here. And it will bring excitement because Mitchell is a really good player. But the fit will be clunky and its a move that doesn't really put us over the top...but its keep us relevant and really good for a while and I think thats all they are really trying to achieve.

yep. and after being a joke franchise for so long it's hard to argue that they should have bottomed out for another 3 or 4 years. because even if you pick well you might not draft a wemby. there isn't one of those guys in every class. and you won't always pick 1st when there is.

yeah I mean I get not wanting to tank. We simply can't operate the same way OKC operates. We are in NY and MSG is an attraction even for non knicks fans.

The FO has to basically be in step the owner view. They were brought in to operate this way and hopefully use there connections to bring in a star. We were obviously hoping that player would be a top player that could lead you to a championship but as you said you generally can trade for those secondary stars....but it seems very rare when the

Giannis
Luka
Embiid
Tatum

type guys move. Its from that next list.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I would go OG if I were them. They can find random 3PT bombers.

What does their war chest look like going forward? Cap space/picks/players? What are they shipping out in trade?

they don't have their own picks in 2025 or 2027 from the ben simmons/harden trade. this trade allows them now to trade up to 3 1sts i think because you just have to have a pick every other year, it doesn't have to be your own. now they have 2 first in both 2026/2028 so they can trade 26/28/30. they can't trade 32 because you can only trade up to 7 years in the future.

So this trade frees up their picks. Gotta check that roster to see what they can add to it. Is it safe to assume they want Maxey/Tobias/Embiid as the big 3? Maybe they trade us Tobias for buzz and Randle!

[Chanel Bomber]

Knicks holding the bag again, huh? Not that I wanted Harden here, but this trade was made for flexibility. Suddenly NYK's flexibility doesn't look all that inciting. Seems like the front office is playing checkers again.

the knicks are operating from a position of weakness because they don't have the top player to build around. it's much easier to get the secondary stars like we've seen in milwauke, twice, and will likely see in philly twice. if the knicks trade for these guys they're aren't likely to be good enough after and may not have enough assets left for the big star (who they're likely never getting anyway). this is probably just a bad plan.

Mitchell also would've been a more palatable asset for another star than young players with diminishing value. Picks renew with time so you could have included some a couple years in if the Brunson-Mitchell backcourt didn't pan out.

The best path forward for the Knicks is to trade as many players for picks as possible (except Brunson I suppose and possibly IQ) so they can have an offer that beats the field when the time comes. Because that's not the case right now. Worst-case scenario you get more stabs at the draft. Sell, sell, sell.

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I would go OG if I were them. They can find random 3PT bombers.

What does their war chest look like going forward? Cap space/picks/players? What are they shipping out in trade?

That Clippers '28 1st unprotected is a massive trade chip, and they will have 67m in cap this summer minus any cap holds. Maxey is an RFA