The case for a linup change: Enter Mr. Grimes

[TKKnicks1]

Send Grimes packing for Murray. DDiv 6th man.

[Clyde_Style]

Time for a Jeremy Linup change

[HarthorneWingo]

Donte is playing great with the starters and the chemistry is really good. Grimes is playing better off the bench. I would just leave the starters as is. Donte’s ball handling helps the starters too. If we replace with Grimes we only have 2 starters that basically dribble and handle.

This is how I see it too. We can get Grimes more minutes without a problem now with IQ gone. I like the way Donte's been playing with the starters.

WHY ARE THESE GUYS ALWAYS TRYING TO FIX THINGS THAT AIN'T BROKEN!!!!

[NYKinMIA]

EPMD!! STRICTLY SNAPPING NECKS!!

I seen you asking for music so there it is

That's my era right there. They were good for the time but, I wasn't a huge fan. I was a big fan of Rakim/De La Soul/Cool G Rap/Big Daddy Kane/KRS-1/Public Enemy/Slick Rick/3rd Bass/K Solo/LL Back in those days. Nice and Smooth. Beastie Boys. It was a wild time to be alive. The crack/AIDS epidemics were in full swing. Then we shifted into the gang wars and West Coast rap started making noise. Cypress Hill/NWA/Dre/Snoop/Ice Cube solo albums. Then I stopped keeping up.

well damn, that looks like it could be my list. I don't listen to what passes for hip hop these days either.

not sure why I got the impression you were a younger fella, clearly you're not

[Jalen Bluntson]

I seen you asking for music so there it is

That's my era right there. They were good for the time but, I wasn't a huge fan. I was a big fan of Rakim/De La Soul/Cool G Rap/Big Daddy Kane/KRS-1/Public Enemy/Slick Rick/3rd Bass/K Solo/LL Back in those days. Nice and Smooth. Beastie Boys. It was a wild time to be alive. The crack/AIDS epidemics were in full swing. Then we shifted into the gang wars and West Coast rap started making noise. Cypress Hill/NWA/Dre/Snoop/Ice Cube solo albums. Then I stopped keeping up.

well damn, that looks like it could be my list. I don't listen to what passes for hip hop these days either.

not sure why I got the impression you were a younger fella, clearly you're not

I'm somewhere around 21 I just stopped counting a long time ago! I MAY GROW OLD BUT I WILL NEVER GROW UP!!!

[DrCoach]

Have you watched the last 6 games ?

[Knicks Byke]

lineup change after going 5-1

[8516knicks]

Watch on YouTube

[dakomish23]

Grimes started playing better the second he was removed from the ISO ball.

starter 22.9 MPG
5.9 PPG 1.3 RPG 1.2 APG
36% on 5.7 FGA
35% on 4.7 3PA
67% on 0.2 FTA

bench 17.3 MPG
8.3 PPG 2.1 RPG 1.1 APG
45% on 6.5 FGA
44% on 4.7 3PA
62% on 0.5 FTA

DDV is completely content to shoot open 3s as a release valve off kick outs f and cut off the ball occasionally, and has thrived in this role.

starter 23.3 MPG
13.8 PPG 3.5 RPG 2.3 APG
53% on 9.2 FGA
48% on 7.0 3PA
84% on 1.0 FTA

bench 19.6 MPG
7.9 PPG 2.7 RPG 1.7 APG
38% on 6.9 FGA
39% on 4.7 3PA
68% on 0.7 FTA

Both guys have benefited greatly from the swap. And you want to undo that?

[Synciere]

I think Sol just like Grimes and wants him back in the starting lineup. The numbers and eye test show the move has been great for the team. There is no case for that switch.

[sol537]

I think both guys have benefited from us shedding two ball hogs and replacing them with one ball over. A team can have only so many ball hogs. I think Grimes in the SL gives us a higher ceiling long term due to his great guard defense next to OG’s great wing defense.

[cgf]

Grimes started playing better the second he was removed from the ISO ball.

starter 22.9 MPG
5.9 PPG 1.3 RPG 1.2 APG
36% on 5.7 FGA
35% on 4.7 3PA
67% on 0.2 FTA

bench 17.3 MPG
8.3 PPG 2.1 RPG 1.1 APG
45% on 6.5 FGA
44% on 4.7 3PA
62% on 0.5 FTA

DDV is completely content to shoot open 3s as a release valve off kick outs f and cut off the ball occasionally, and has thrived in this role.

starter 23.3 MPG
13.8 PPG 3.5 RPG 2.3 APG
53% on 9.2 FGA
48% on 7.0 3PA
84% on 1.0 FTA

bench 19.6 MPG
7.9 PPG 2.7 RPG 1.7 APG
38% on 6.9 FGA
39% on 4.7 3PA
68% on 0.7 FTA

Both guys have benefited greatly from the swap. And you want to undo that?

But we've seen Grimes with the starters, so we know he doesn't need to be removed from them to shoot well.

Again there's no need to rush it, so we should let Grimes continue building his mojo with the bench unit...especially with DDV on this heater...but Grimes is still a significantly better defender while DDV is the better playmaker.

[dakomish23]

Grimes started playing better the second he was removed from the ISO ball.

starter 22.9 MPG
5.9 PPG 1.3 RPG 1.2 APG
36% on 5.7 FGA
35% on 4.7 3PA
67% on 0.2 FTA

bench 17.3 MPG
8.3 PPG 2.1 RPG 1.1 APG
45% on 6.5 FGA
44% on 4.7 3PA
62% on 0.5 FTA

DDV is completely content to shoot open 3s as a release valve off kick outs f and cut off the ball occasionally, and has thrived in this role.

starter 23.3 MPG
13.8 PPG 3.5 RPG 2.3 APG
53% on 9.2 FGA
48% on 7.0 3PA
84% on 1.0 FTA

bench 19.6 MPG
7.9 PPG 2.7 RPG 1.7 APG
38% on 6.9 FGA
39% on 4.7 3PA
68% on 0.7 FTA

Both guys have benefited greatly from the swap. And you want to undo that?

But we've seen Grimes with the starters, so we know he doesn't need to be removed from them to shoot well.

Again there's no need to rush it, so we should let Grimes continue building his mojo with the bench unit...especially with DDV on this heater...but Grimes is still a significantly better defender while DDV is the better playmaker.

We saw the exact opposite this year

[cgf]

Grimes started playing better the second he was removed from the ISO ball.

starter 22.9 MPG
5.9 PPG 1.3 RPG 1.2 APG
36% on 5.7 FGA
35% on 4.7 3PA
67% on 0.2 FTA

bench 17.3 MPG
8.3 PPG 2.1 RPG 1.1 APG
45% on 6.5 FGA
44% on 4.7 3PA
62% on 0.5 FTA

DDV is completely content to shoot open 3s as a release valve off kick outs f and cut off the ball occasionally, and has thrived in this role.

starter 23.3 MPG
13.8 PPG 3.5 RPG 2.3 APG
53% on 9.2 FGA
48% on 7.0 3PA
84% on 1.0 FTA

bench 19.6 MPG
7.9 PPG 2.7 RPG 1.7 APG
38% on 6.9 FGA
39% on 4.7 3PA
68% on 0.7 FTA

Both guys have benefited greatly from the swap. And you want to undo that?

But we've seen Grimes with the starters, so we know he doesn't need to be removed from them to shoot well.

Again there's no need to rush it, so we should let Grimes continue building his mojo with the bench unit...especially with DDV on this heater...but Grimes is still a significantly better defender while DDV is the better playmaker.

We saw the exact opposite this year

I'm sorry for not following, but which part are you referring to? That Grimes shot well with the starters last season; 38.6 3pt% as starter v 37.5% off the bench? That DDV was the better playmaker; 9.6ast% for Grimes v 17.6% for DDV last season? Or that Grimes was a significantly better defender than DDV?

I dunno, I just feel like we've seen with Brunson out that McBride-DiVincenzo move the ball & create better than McBride-Grimes do. So I think putting Deuce & DDV out there with Julius when Jalen sits is our best bet at surviving those minutes with the roster as currently constructed. I'm less concerned with surviving the Brunson but no Randle minutes.

Maybe the Randle but no Brunson lineup should be McBride - DiVincenzo - Hart/Grimes - Randle - Hartenstein? Maximize our ball handlers around Julius with the Deuce-DDV backcourt and Hart's ball handling in transition, or the on-ball skills that you and I see in Grimes*


*my bad in advance if I'm mixing you up with J4remi

[thebuzzardman]

Should send him to the G-League so he can learn to not be afraid.

[moocow007]

Should send him to the G-League so he can learn to not be afraid.

But you're honestly onto something IMO. With IQ (and RJ) gone in the OG 2 for 1 it's real hard to use the "there's just no shots available" argument. This is especially so considering OG would rank 3rd on the shot attempts per game on most nights of these 3 guys. So if there's any time for someone, anyone, to step up and show what they got (offensively) now is the time. And yet, the bench really hasn't. This probably is why the Knicks are rumored to be looking at guys like a Jordan Clarkson and the like that can actually do that off the bench in a "not for a star" move. I think the audition was there (as quick as it may have been) and the in house options (to take over that IQ role) has been found lacking. Kind of brings back memories of Frank Ntilikina. It started with all these "excuses" why he's not able to produce (with the ball). Then when they almost cleared the way for him to take that expanded role, he seemed uncomfortable doing so. Much like Sparta, this is the NBA. You need to take the bull by the horn when the opening is given. You cannot be on your heels looking to be handed stuff and cajoled.

[dakomish23]

Don’t change anything

[sol537]

Maybe I was a bit hasty...

DDV has exceeded expectations and riffs off Brunson so well... Grimes is finding a nice groove off the bench as a 3&D beast....

[G_K_F]

Maybe I was a bit hasty...

DDV has exceeded expectations and riffs off Brunson so well... Grimes is finding a nice groove off the bench as a 3&D beast....

Grimes is anything but a beast.

[8516knicks]

Maybe I was a bit hasty...

DDV has exceeded expectations and riffs off Brunson so well... Grimes is finding a nice groove off the bench as a 3&D beast....

Understatement of the year.