NYK roster compared to BOS and PHI

[god shammgod]

Boston has the edge talent wise but, Philly is not better. Everyone won't be healthy on that old washed roster. Neither team is deeper at all.

they're washed ? maxey is a younger star than anyone we got and embiid was the mvp last year.

find any list of player rankings from any reputable place and embiid will be the number one player on the list from us or the sixers, brunson will be 2nd and then both maxey & paul george will be next before kat and mikal.

There is a lot more question marks about the sixers on how they are going to fit though. Embiid and Maxey are the clear #1 and #2 options in terms of usage. If PG going to thrive in a 3rd banana role.

I think Mikal and OG while not as talented as PG are way more comfortable fitting into that 3rd role than PG will be.

i don't really think that will be a problem. health is their concern. and seeding because it seems they plan to rest guys a lot. they're gonna probably have to win all their series on the road after round 1.

basically the sixers won that series last year when embiid was on the floor. it was when he rested that they completely fell apart. if you have both maxey and pg playing when he's on the bench you should do better in those minutes.

[sol537]

And I could see a playoff series where Mikal and OG outplay PG13 or at least match him... and KAT matches Embiid. It's entirely possible IMO.

[El Poochio]

Yeah people sleep on Sixers if they are healthy, they would be dangerous. Doubt they will be healthy though

[Context]

Philly has to prove to us that they can beat us- period...
As far as Boston....we have to prove we can beat them- now- with that said as far as im concerned we improved as a team
and if I were the Celtics I wouldnt take us for granted.

I dont see how they can stop us offensively- our bench might be better...the question is - is our defense better...im not sure...

[mpharris36]

they're washed ? maxey is a younger star than anyone we got and embiid was the mvp last year.

find any list of player rankings from any reputable place and embiid will be the number one player on the list from us or the sixers, brunson will be 2nd and then both maxey & paul george will be next before kat and mikal.

There is a lot more question marks about the sixers on how they are going to fit though. Embiid and Maxey are the clear #1 and #2 options in terms of usage. If PG going to thrive in a 3rd banana role.

I think Mikal and OG while not as talented as PG are way more comfortable fitting into that 3rd role than PG will be.

i don't really think that will be a problem. health is their concern. and seeding because it seems they plan to rest guys a lot. they're gonna probably have to win all their series on the road after round 1.

basically the sixers won that series last year when embiid was on the floor. it was when he rested that they completely fell apart. if you have both maxey and pg playing when he's on the bench you should do better in those minutes.

yeah and we didn't have Randle in that series...which now has turned into KAT and then we also acquired Mikal. So its not like we didn't get better.

You were in the around the NBA threads clowning on Playoff P ...he's now 35 years old and he's going to be the difference maker in our series? I doubt it...

We all the resting and potential injuries they better be prepared to make it through the play in...while we will be competing with BOS for the #1 seed.

[Context]

the burden of proof is on Philly...we beat them and we weren't at full strength.

Embiid is efficient and consistent at being less than 100%, missing a bunch of games and always being injured. When are some of you going to realize this is "Embiid".

Besides, you're a Knick fan...why do you feel the need to be so optimistic about a supposed great player who has more flagrant fouls than Draymond Green "lifetime"?

where does this self hate come from?

I'm not trying to be rude either...its a serious question...

If you want to give the benefit of doubt to a team - give it to Boston- that's more than fair...

[jvsimonetti0514]

Not really worried about Philly TBH. We’ve seen Brunson close in the playoffs and Embiid fell apart down the stretch of every one of those games. Maxey had to hit a miracle shot for them to win 2 games against us. PG13 has had countless playoff flops and he’s old. Maybe the fusions dance of 2 choke artists will make a competent playoff closer but im skeptical.

Boston terrifies me though. A ton of metrics have them as one of the greatest teams of all time. When I say a ton of metrics I think it was just net rating but still matters We were like 15 games behind them as the second seed. When they’re healthy, they have a starting 5 that all can create their own shot. No other team has what they have. It’s really going to take everything we have to beat that team.

[mpharris36]

Not really worried about Philly TBH. We’ve seen Brunson close in the playoffs and Embiid fell apart down the stretch of every one of those games. Maxey had to hit a miracle shot for them to win 2 games against us. PG13 has had countless playoff flops and he’s old. Maybe the fusions dance of 2 choke artists will make a competent playoff closer but im skeptical.

Boston terrifies me though. A ton of metrics have them as one of the greatest teams of all time. When I say a ton of metrics I think it was just net rating but still matters We were like 15 games behind them as the second seed. When they’re healthy, they have a starting 5 that all can create their own shot. No other team has what they have. It’s really going to take everything we have to beat that team.

Agree on Philly...Embiid is an animal but they are going to treat him with kid gloves throughout the season. And then the expectation he just ramps it up to play over 40 minutes a night in the playoffs effectively? Doubt it.

BOS is tough...the one thing I think we can rely on...late and tight I trust Brunson more than I do Tatum...in terms of effectiveness and shot selection.

[RHODEY]

IMO of course...

NYK vs. Boston

Top Dog: Brunson > Tatum
Second Banana: KAT = Brown
Third Wheel: Mikal = Jrue
Fourth Fulcrum: OG = KP
Fifth Starter: Hart < White
Bench: Miles, Precious, Payne = Hortford, Hauser, Pritchard

*These two teams are closer than people think. BOS gets the edge for now due to experience and slight defensive edge

NYK vs. PHI

Top Dog: Brunson > Maxey
Second Banana: KAT = Embiid
Third Wheel: Mikal = PG13
Fourth Fulcrum: OG > Oubre
Fifth Starter: Hart > Martin
Bench: Miles Precious, Payne > Lowry, Gordon, Drummond

*I give the edge to NYK if both teams are healthy. It's close, but we got the edge in overall talent IMO, especially considering PG13's age and Embiid's health.

Agree, disagree?

I go by position
Brunson>Jrue
KAT>KP
OG<TATUM but can be locked down
Mikal<Brown>but can be locked down
Hart=White
Bench: Miles, Precious, Payne > Hortford, Hauser, Pritchard

[RHODEY]

Philly has to prove to us that they can beat us- period...
As far as Boston....we have to prove we can beat them- now- with that said as far as im concerned we improved as a team
and if I were the Celtics I wouldnt take us for granted.

I dont see how they can stop us offensively- our bench might be better...the question is - is our defense better...im not sure...

I think our defense is potentially better on paper. It might take time to gel and Mitch to return. KP when he comes back cant rest on defense....Towns will pull him away just like he used to pull our center away.

[WargamesX]

Not really worried about Philly TBH. We’ve seen Brunson close in the playoffs and Embiid fell apart down the stretch of every one of those games. Maxey had to hit a miracle shot for them to win 2 games against us. PG13 has had countless playoff flops and he’s old. Maybe the fusions dance of 2 choke artists will make a competent playoff closer but im skeptical.

Boston terrifies me though. A ton of metrics have them as one of the greatest teams of all time. When I say a ton of metrics I think it was just net rating but still matters We were like 15 games behind them as the second seed. When they’re healthy, they have a starting 5 that all can create their own shot. No other team has what they have. It’s really going to take everything we have to beat that team.

Agree on Philly...Embiid is an animal but they are going to treat him with kid gloves throughout the season. And then the expectation he just ramps it up to play over 40 minutes a night in the playoffs effectively? Doubt it.

BOS is tough...the one thing I think we can rely on...late and tight I trust Brunson more than I do Tatum...in terms of effectiveness and shot selection.

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I also think low key having Mitch as a backup defensive center to get stops whenever KAT sits.... is a cheat code, and even moving him to starting center and KAT to PF really changes the math of that matchup.... but we got to see if Mitch is even here this playoffs because they might trade him for another really good piece.

[god shammgod]

There is a lot more question marks about the sixers on how they are going to fit though. Embiid and Maxey are the clear #1 and #2 options in terms of usage. If PG going to thrive in a 3rd banana role.

I think Mikal and OG while not as talented as PG are way more comfortable fitting into that 3rd role than PG will be.

i don't really think that will be a problem. health is their concern. and seeding because it seems they plan to rest guys a lot. they're gonna probably have to win all their series on the road after round 1.

basically the sixers won that series last year when embiid was on the floor. it was when he rested that they completely fell apart. if you have both maxey and pg playing when he's on the bench you should do better in those minutes.

yeah and we didn't have Randle in that series...which now has turned into KAT and then we also acquired Mikal. So its not like we didn't get better.

You were in the around the NBA threads clowning on Playoff P ...he's now 35 years old and he's going to be the difference maker in our series? I doubt it...

We all the resting and potential injuries they better be prepared to make it through the play in...while we will be competing with BOS for the #1 seed.

he's the 3rd option now though. he won't be the guy with ball at the end of the game.

and we'll have to see if we can stay healthy too

[mpharris36]

i don't really think that will be a problem. health is their concern. and seeding because it seems they plan to rest guys a lot. they're gonna probably have to win all their series on the road after round 1.

basically the sixers won that series last year when embiid was on the floor. it was when he rested that they completely fell apart. if you have both maxey and pg playing when he's on the bench you should do better in those minutes.

yeah and we didn't have Randle in that series...which now has turned into KAT and then we also acquired Mikal. So its not like we didn't get better.

You were in the around the NBA threads clowning on Playoff P ...he's now 35 years old and he's going to be the difference maker in our series? I doubt it...

We all the resting and potential injuries they better be prepared to make it through the play in...while we will be competing with BOS for the #1 seed.

he's the 3rd option now though. he won't be the guy with ball at the end of the game.

and we'll have to see if we can stay healthy too

this is true. I just think we are capable of surviving and injury or two more than Philly.

LIke if Embiid isn't healthy they have no chance. If PG isn't healthy they aren't basically the same team as last year.

For us Brunson/Mikal/Hart are all durable players. Thats 3/5 of our rotation. OG/KAT/Mitch are our injury concerns. I think KAT's injuries are less degenerative and more bad luck.

OG is certainly an injury concern especially for what he provides.

[moocow007]

The Knicks beat the Sixers without Randle and with Embiid taking out Robinson with that leg grab. So assuming that everyone is healthy (both sides) it PG13 really better than both KAT and Mikal Bridges (minus DDV)? Boston OTOH has already proven that they are a great TEAM that also has 2 great players on it.

[The KnicksFix]

I think we are looking at it differently OP.
What we should be looking at is matchups, for instance

OG will shut down Tatum, you know he will get that assignment, and on the defensive end OG wins
Mikal will neutralize Brown too, not as much as OG can to Tatum, but still enough
Josh Hart will line up against Jrue, and that is about as good of a defense you can have on jrue
Brunson/ White and KP/ Kat are two matchups defensively for us that are a push

I still think just based on the defensive versatility, Ny is better than Boston

[jvsimonetti0514]

2 seasons ago Kat missed most of the season with a calf injury. Does anyone know why he missed most of 2019-2020?

[El Poochio]

Celtics have a weak link too, if KP isnt healthy they are relying on 40 year old Horford to bail them out again

[Jalen Bluntson]

if everyone is healthy, both boston and philly have a better top 3 than us. we have the worst depth too.

Boston has the edge talent wise but, Philly is not better. Everyone won't be healthy on that old washed roster. Neither team is deeper at all.

they're washed ? maxey is a younger star than anyone we got and embiid was the mvp last year.

find any list of player rankings from any reputable place and embiid will be the number one player on the list from us or the sixers, brunson will be 2nd and then both maxey & paul george will be next before kat and mikal.

They have two players who choke every year in the playoffs if they are even able to play. Maxey is a great young player. Oubre is decent. Caleb Martin? Not scared at all. The rest of that roster is Lowry/Gordon/Drummond (washed) and what? Yabusele?

Those places are as reputable as this place. We are a better team than Philly. No doubt about it. Propping up Embiid/PG is better done with crutches than praise. In no sane person would suggest Maxey or PG13 better than KAT.

[sol537]

I think we are looking at it differently OP.
What we should be looking at is matchups, for instance

OG will shut down Tatum, you know he will get that assignment, and on the defensive end OG wins
Mikal will neutralize Brown too, not as much as OG can to Tatum, but still enough
Josh Hart will line up against Jrue, and that is about as good of a defense you can have on jrue
Brunson/ White and KP/ Kat are two matchups defensively for us that are a push

I still think just based on the defensive versatility, Ny is better than Boston

Against Boston, I would force Tatum to try to play 1-on-1 hero ball and stay at home on the shooters. I'd also try to force White to dribble create more and make KP try to put it on the ground (no open face up jumpers... his specialty).

[god shammgod]

Boston has the edge talent wise but, Philly is not better. Everyone won't be healthy on that old washed roster. Neither team is deeper at all.

they're washed ? maxey is a younger star than anyone we got and embiid was the mvp last year.

find any list of player rankings from any reputable place and embiid will be the number one player on the list from us or the sixers, brunson will be 2nd and then both maxey & paul george will be next before kat and mikal.

They have two players who choke every year in the playoffs if they are even able to play. Maxey is a great young player. Oubre is decent. Caleb Martin? Not scared at all. The rest of that roster is Lowry/Gordon/Drummond (washed) and what? Yabusele?

Those places are as reputable as this place. We are a better team than Philly. No doubt about it. Propping up Embiid/PG is better done with crutches than praise. In no sane person would suggest Maxey or PG13 better than KAT. :rofl:

every single person who judges these things professionally disagrees with you. all of them.