Who do you think should be the next Head Coach?

[The Lamma]

Just hand the next guy that walks by Madison Square Garden a one year contract. #InstantUpgrade

[Wildcat]

I mean the real issue is that the most important position on the floor defensively is Center (especially for a Thibs coached team) and that's where the Knicks are just currently the most injured. I think we'll look a lot better when we get Precious back and he could give us 15-25 minutes a night at both the 4 and 5 next to KAT. Obviously Mitch too although I think he'll eventually be traded for something.

KAT having to play C basically full time is really what's killing our defense.

Sims is unplayable and the only alternative right now is Hukporti. He is a late 2nd round pick and also bad defensively. Even if maybe he has a little more upside than Sims does I don't think it would change anything at least rotationally considering he's a pure 5.

There's a lot of evidence the Knicks have been more unlucky than bad but still the 3 point defense is concerning. However, I think it's more of a domino effect of not having reliable rim protection on the back end. Teams know if they can get people driving at KAT, then the Knicks are going to over help to compensate which allows the open 3's we've seen. On top of that, Mikal has been disappointing, especially, on defense. Part of the calculus for the Knicks to be good was that even if they took a hit on the backline defensively, their point of attack and wing defense could compensate a lot for it. Mikal's screen navigation has been bad and it's allowed guards to get in the paint way too often.

Also all coaches have a blind spot. Thibs blind spot is obviously trusting back end of rotation guys to do a job. But obviously he brings other positives to the table as a coach. Most Thibs teams are a slow burn anyway. Almost all of our seasons have started out this way and then the Knicks around December/January start to rip off wins. This forum doesn't do patience very well and this team just needs patience. They are still top 10 in Net Rating and the only team in the top 10 that is below .500. Most guys that the Knicks could get to replace him, who may be considered an upgrade, would be guys that have been out of head coaching for a long time (Jay Wright, JVG, etc.) or Top college guys who we have no idea if they translate to the pros. An assistant is not getting this job given what the expectations are.

While most cry that we are losing the math battle, it's not really based in any reality. We're a top 5 offensive team even with the flaws we know exist. Brunson hasn't truly gotten going and Mikal's shooting slump will eventually subside IMO although his form may have fuqqed his above the break 3 potential.

People are complaining Thibs is too old school to adapt but the Knicks the past two seasons have floated around the top 10 in 3 point FG frequency. I think it's more of a personnel issue than a coaching issue. Brunson prefers the mid range and driving. KAT prefers to post and drive rather than chuck threes. Mikal and OG almost exclusively shoot from the corners. Thibs needs to adapt a bit more but the personnel is the personnel at some point. I think the lowest hanging fruit is to get KAT and Brunson to get more 3's up, but then you may see some diminishing returns on their elite mid and post games. Getting Mikal to get more trigger happy would help too but the problem is he's been awful above the break. SO telling him to shoot more shots he's likely to miss seems like a bad idea.

I think getting Shamet or Ryan in there to just fire away for 10-15 minutes could help.

This is a lot of unorganized thoughts I had so I just put him in here

That's how I look at it as well. Too many times I see us overhelping for KAT and it leads to an open 3. Thibs teams traditionnaly has a rim protector at C but now we're trying to use all of our wings to help out KAT and it's made our defense so much worse than it has been ever. I'm honestly not even sure if the Knicks will play KAT at the 4 when Precious/Mitch comes back. KAT was saying a couple days ago he thinks hes better at the 5.

Mitch or Precious at the 4 might just work. Not a great comparison but think Camby next to Ewing. Just have Mitch be a secondary roaming defender, blocking shots, grabbing offense rebounds and bringing energy. The paint will still be wide open for Mitch to feast on the boards. Of course for all of this to work Thibs gotta get a little creative so none of it will probably happen.

I want a Precious/KAT lineup, but so far I haven't read anything about that ever being the plan.

[3toheadmelo]

Ima keep saying it but we gave Thibs an Anti Thibs roster. He's not the guy who's gonna adjust to his personnel. But he doesn't deserve all of the blame either imo. Still don't really like KAT long term at the 5 and Mikal just hasn't played defense in years. It's a tough situation all around in my eyes and I don't know how this is gonna be fixed.

I was thinking about this after last night's game and I get your point. This roster isn't a thibs roster. The cook and the ingredients aren't aligned.

This is the problem I see starting Mitch might make us better considering our coach but it's not maximizing our roster and limits our ability to contend.

Now we can debate if our team is a true contender with this roster if we had a coach that utilizing them to the best of their ability.

I guess I'm just ready to move on. I can't help think how ugly this sht is going to get when og goes down. And I'm sick of watching other teams get their shots right cause we give up so many wide open 3s cause Tommy is worried about the paint.

And idk who to hire. Like someone else said last night unless the season craters it's not happening until after a poor playoff performance.

I just hope he doesn't get an injury pass by being the cause of running guys into the ground.

I say blow this sht up for Giannis. At least he's a Thibs player and will allign with what Thibs wants from a big. It's still early but I just think this current core isn't doing anything special.

[3toheadmelo]

There's really no veteran coach that's an established winner out there you can replace Thibs with currently. You gotta blow up the core and get Thibs a roster that alligns with him.

[SelbyCobra]

Thibs is about to be 67 years old, second oldest in the NBA behind the guy who is in the GOAT conversation, Greg Popovich.

The only other coaches in the league even over 60 are Doc and Carlisle, both of whom have won a championship as a HC.

Meanwhile, the youngest coach in the NBA? Still Joe Mazulla.

Fully understanding the positive he brings to the table, I still can't believe they just gave Thibs a three year extension beyond this season. With all the great talent and roster building they've done,
the commitment to a man with his track record, at this age, is an ominous sign to me.

[Guano]

Ima keep saying it but we gave Thibs an Anti Thibs roster. He's not the guy who's gonna adjust to his personnel. But he doesn't deserve all of the blame either imo. Still don't really like KAT long term at the 5 and Mikal just hasn't played defense in years. It's a tough situation all around in my eyes and I don't know how this is gonna be fixed.

I was thinking about this after last night's game and I get your point. This roster isn't a thibs roster. The cook and the ingredients aren't aligned.

This is the problem I see starting Mitch might make us better considering our coach but it's not maximizing our roster and limits our ability to contend.

Now we can debate if our team is a true contender with this roster if we had a coach that utilizing them to the best of their ability.

I guess I'm just ready to move on. I can't help think how ugly this sht is going to get when og goes down. And I'm sick of watching other teams get their shots right cause we give up so many wide open 3s cause Tommy is worried about the paint.

And idk who to hire. Like someone else said last night unless the season craters it's not happening until after a poor playoff performance.

I just hope he doesn't get an injury pass by being the cause of running guys into the ground.

I say blow this sht up for Giannis. At least he's a Thibs player and will allign with what Thibs wants from a big. It's still early but I just think this current core isn't doing anything special.

Oooooooooor
fire thibs and hire your boy Monty Williams

[E-Balla]

Isiah Thomas. If we're going to continue to be dumb let's double down.

[sol537]

Ima keep saying it but we gave Thibs an Anti Thibs roster. He's not the guy who's gonna adjust to his personnel. But he doesn't deserve all of the blame either imo. Still don't really like KAT long term at the 5 and Mikal just hasn't played defense in years. It's a tough situation all around in my eyes and I don't know how this is gonna be fixed.

I was thinking about this after last night's game and I get your point. This roster isn't a thibs roster. The cook and the ingredients aren't aligned.

This is the problem I see starting Mitch might make us better considering our coach but it's not maximizing our roster and limits our ability to contend.

Now we can debate if our team is a true contender with this roster if we had a coach that utilizing them to the best of their ability.

I guess I'm just ready to move on. I can't help think how ugly this sht is going to get when og goes down. And I'm sick of watching other teams get their shots right cause we give up so many wide open 3s cause Tommy is worried about the paint.

And idk who to hire. Like someone else said last night unless the season craters it's not happening until after a poor playoff performance.

I just hope he doesn't get an injury pass by being the cause of running guys into the ground.

I say blow this sht up for Giannis. At least he's a Thibs player and will allign with what Thibs wants from a big. It's still early but I just think this current core isn't doing anything special.

KAT + Hart + WAS 1st + Dadiet + rights to Rokas + Four 2nd Rounders for Giannis + the corpse of Brooke Lopez

If we're keeping Thibs, then turn this into a Thibs roster... otherwise, can Thibs and bring in a modern coach.

[Kampuchea]

Too early to plan, by the time Thibs retires in 10 years we have no idea who the best coach available will be.

[Knick4Real]

How about this guy?
He might be available soon!

[JayTWill]

I wish we had changed the coach before we dramatically changed the roster. I'm not saying I want Randle back. I would have tried to clear him and Mitch's salary and bring back iHart and try to build on what they had last year with a new coach and a better strategy than "This guy or these guys take difficult shots all day and you guys play defense and crash the boards."

I really felt like we were at that Golden State Jackson/Kerr moment at the end of last season. Similar to Kerr I felt like Atkinson may have gained enough knowledge from his time around the league next to other great minds to elevate our group of guys even if they were not loaded with traditional on-ball star power similar to those non-Durant Warrior teams.

[3toheadmelo]

I was thinking about this after last night's game and I get your point. This roster isn't a thibs roster. The cook and the ingredients aren't aligned.

This is the problem I see starting Mitch might make us better considering our coach but it's not maximizing our roster and limits our ability to contend.

Now we can debate if our team is a true contender with this roster if we had a coach that utilizing them to the best of their ability.

I guess I'm just ready to move on. I can't help think how ugly this sht is going to get when og goes down. And I'm sick of watching other teams get their shots right cause we give up so many wide open 3s cause Tommy is worried about the paint.

And idk who to hire. Like someone else said last night unless the season craters it's not happening until after a poor playoff performance.

I just hope he doesn't get an injury pass by being the cause of running guys into the ground.

I say blow this sht up for Giannis. At least he's a Thibs player and will allign with what Thibs wants from a big. It's still early but I just think this current core isn't doing anything special.

Oooooooooor
fire thibs and hire your boy Monty Williams

KAT is gonna ask out when Monty lets Mikal do whatever he wants while KAT is begging for the ball being ignored the whole game like Ayton was

[Knick4Real]

I wish we had changed the coach before we dramatically changed the roster. I'm not saying I want Randle back. I would have tried to clear him and Mitch's salary and bring back iHart and try to build on what they had last year with a new coach and a better strategy than "This guy or these guys take difficult shots all day and you guys play defense and crash the boards."

I really felt like we were at that Golden State Jackson/Kerr moment at the end of last season. Similar to Kerr I felt like Atkinson may have gained enough knowledge from his time around the league next to other great minds to elevate our group of guys even if they were not loaded with traditional on-ball star power similar to those non-Durant Warrior teams.

We were hard capped at the amount we could offer iHart and OKC simply offered him more than we were allowed to do. So, what would you have done to bring him back that we didn't already do??

[JayTWill]

I wish we had changed the coach before we dramatically changed the roster. I'm not saying I want Randle back. I would have tried to clear him and Mitch's salary and bring back iHart and try to build on what they had last year with a new coach and a better strategy than "This guy or these guys take difficult shots all day and you guys play defense and crash the boards."

I really felt like we were at that Golden State Jackson/Kerr moment at the end of last season. Similar to Kerr I felt like Atkinson may have gained enough knowledge from his time around the league next to other great minds to elevate our group of guys even if they were not loaded with traditional on-ball star power similar to those non-Durant Warrior teams.

We were hard capped at the amount we could offer iHart and OKC simply offered him more than we were allowed to do. So, what would you have done to bring him back that we didn't already do??

I was under the impression that if the Knicks had cleared $20M, $30M or whatever amount under the cap that could use that on iHart as a free agent without being hard capped by the 175% amount on his previous contract. Maybe I was wrong about that. I don't know.

If that was possible I would have tried to sell off Randle and Mitch to a team like Detroit maybe involving another team for more capspace and whatever future draft or cheap assets the Knicks could get for those 2. I think it would have only left Brunson, Bogey, Hart, DDV, Deuce and Sims under contract. I forget what OG's caphold + the empty roster spot capholds to get to the minimum of 12 roster spots was so i'm not sure how much money exactly would have been available under the cap.

They would leave Brunson/DDV/Hart/OG/iHart/Deuce/Sims + MLE or Taxpayer MLE + a possible future draft asset from trading Randle and/or Mitch + Bogey's contract + all the draft assets available prior to the Mikal trade to work with. The Mikal trade still could have been done or maybe they could have overpaid for someone like Lauri and Kessler as a Randle and Mitch replacement. Maybe none of this was possible and I typed all of this for nothing. Just let me live in my fantasy.

[HarthorneWingo]

Rick Brunson!

Okay, seriously? Maybe Johnny Bryant? But we just signed Thibs to an extension. He's not going anywhere anytime soon.

[HarthorneWingo]

I was thinking about this after last night's game and I get your point. This roster isn't a thibs roster. The cook and the ingredients aren't aligned.

This is the problem I see starting Mitch might make us better considering our coach but it's not maximizing our roster and limits our ability to contend.

Now we can debate if our team is a true contender with this roster if we had a coach that utilizing them to the best of their ability.

I guess I'm just ready to move on. I can't help think how ugly this sht is going to get when og goes down. And I'm sick of watching other teams get their shots right cause we give up so many wide open 3s cause Tommy is worried about the paint.

And idk who to hire. Like someone else said last night unless the season craters it's not happening until after a poor playoff performance.

I just hope he doesn't get an injury pass by being the cause of running guys into the ground.

I say blow this sht up for Giannis. At least he's a Thibs player and will allign with what Thibs wants from a big. It's still early but I just think this current core isn't doing anything special.

Oooooooooor
fire thibs and hire your boy Monty Williams

I think you need to change your avatar to something for connected to your username.

[JayTWill]

Lets say the front office let go of Thibs this offseason what happens to Rick Brunson?

[NoLayupRule]

the sky is always falling here

we need depth, not new coaching

it would also help not to have OG playing PF

[Knicks Byke]

cmon bro.

[NoLayupRule]

9 games in

come on bro right back at cha