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Colin looked like he had tons of Sex his swag was off the roof even wanted to fight KAT
John killed us in 1st q, then Colin and Lauri killed us...
Even as we're rated among league leaders offensively, ppg and apg FG%, I'm not buying this offense... ball movement doesn't feel "sincere"... just doesn't feel organic... 3-4 players are stationary, 1-2 passes are made to "a scorer of this possession", be it OG, JB, Mikal... then he goes to work and other 4 guys just ball watching with minimal - non existent off ball movement, cutting, etc...
Can we somehow get Divo back?? I'm sure he at SG instead of Hart would solve our problems, just as I'm sure his struggles with Wolves will stop if he somehow comes back here
John killed us in 1st q, then Colin and Lauri killed us...
Even as we're rated among league leaders offensively, ppg and apg FG%, I'm not buying this offense... ball movement doesn't feel "sincere"... just doesn't feel organic... 3-4 players are stationary, 1-2 passes are made to "a scorer of this possession", be it OG, JB, Mikal... then he goes to work and other 4 guys just ball watching with minimal - non existent off ball movement, cutting, etc...
Can we somehow get Divo back?? I'm sure he at SG instead of Hart would solve our problems, just as I'm sure his struggles with Wolves will stop if he somehow comes back here
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SelbyCobra wrote:I've said it for a few seasons now, but when the shots aren't falling there's absolutely no structure for a Thibs coached group to fall back on to prop them back up. It's just, "go do that elementary stuff we practice and let your talent shine". Don't adjust, don't shift gears, just keep spamming what we always do, relying on the talent to break through.
Luckily for us this team is overflowing with talent, but nights like this are the reason why I don't feel confident with the way this team is coached, and why I worry about what happens against the best teams and coaches. If a 3-12 team can do this so repeatedly and relentlessly for 48 minutes, the best will meticulously exploit it.
You saved me from typing. I’ll come back to watch in February. I believe in the talent but the coaching will be our downfall.
Fire Thibs.
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There is so much blame to go around but what I can’t accept is Mikal taking .7 FTA per game and after 16 contests his season high is 22. It almost feels like in a game like this I was looking for him to shine bright but he looked like he belonged overseas
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I’ll probably get quoted a lot for this but I didn’t think the defense was that bad tonight. They weren’t great but they did force the Jazz to hit some tough shots tonight. If they made some shots they would have won tonight.
You can’t win games when Kat is airballing 3’s, Mikal bricking every shot he took and whatever Brunson was doing tonight. It wasn’t like the Jazz defended particularly well either. This was a game that they lost cuz they couldn’t hit any of their open looks and there was a lot of them.
You can’t win games when Kat is airballing 3’s, Mikal bricking every shot he took and whatever Brunson was doing tonight. It wasn’t like the Jazz defended particularly well either. This was a game that they lost cuz they couldn’t hit any of their open looks and there was a lot of them.
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thebuzzardman wrote:**** this team
You frustrated? It should be pretty-much accepted that the team will be up-and-down without consistency until Precious and Mitch are back.
You can’t win consistently when you’re relying on outscoring opponents. One off shooting night will equate to a loss if you’re not an above average team defensively.

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They would want Towns back and make you take Randle back like it never happened. Wolves we're MUCH better with KAT last season.GettinitDone wrote:Colin looked like he had tons of Sex his swag was off the roof even wanted to fight KAT
John killed us in 1st q, then Colin and Lauri killed us...
Even as we're rated among league leaders offensively, ppg and apg FG%, I'm not buying this offense... ball movement doesn't feel "sincere"... just doesn't feel organic... 3-4 players are stationary, 1-2 passes are made to "a scorer of this possession", be it OG, JB, Mikal... then he goes to work and other 4 guys just ball watching with minimal - non existent off ball movement, cutting, etc...
Can we somehow get Divo back?? I'm sure he at SG instead of Hart would solve our problems, just as I'm sure his struggles with Wolves will stop if he somehow comes back here
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Also just play dadiet! He’s been mostly good when he’s on the floor. Maybe our wings wouldn’t be bricking so many open looks if they had 10ish minutes a game to rest during the game.
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The league is made to be mediocre record wise. Very few teams are far from .500. Granted Utah is one of them but they came looking for a W.
Focused teams can beat anyone, but yeah Mikal Towns both bad and JB same. Is what it is I guess.
I don’t even get the rationale for drop coverage if the team can’t dribble drive but.
Focused teams can beat anyone, but yeah Mikal Towns both bad and JB same. Is what it is I guess.
I don’t even get the rationale for drop coverage if the team can’t dribble drive but.
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thebuzzardman wrote:**** this team
Well, that didn't take long
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TAKEAWAYS
1. Length - We will continue to have matchup issues against long teams on both ends. Getting back Mitch and/or Precious will help in terms of offensive boards and defensing the paint, but what we saw in this game is a breakdown in offensive strategy once we started getting rejected in the paint. You can counter that with ball movement, but our off-ball activity this game was generally weak even when we did rotate the ball.
2. Dadiet - In 3 minutes I had a revelation. This guy has more potential to become a 2-way stud than most guys in the rotation. One reason why comes to mind instantly: this kid has an intuitive knack for moving his feet and getting into good positions on both ends of the court. Dadiet is feeling like a future impact player.
3. OG - Guy is the MOST consistently impactful player on the team. Not Brunson, not KAT, not Hart, it's OG who almost every game shows up and delivers the goods on both ends of the court. It is perhaps not possible to say he's the most important player on the team, but after Hart he is the one who puts his stamp on the game with the greatest consistency. Hart usually does too, but OG is on another level that Josh will never reach which is no knock on Hart. It just means OG is the truth. Guy is a freaking phenomenon. I don't think that many people appreciate him as much as he deserves to be.
4. Thibs - Fatigue will continue to be a question surrounding our rotations. Fine, say Thibs is the best coach we've had in forever and I won't quibble with that. But let's be real here. Some nights guys on our bench get minutes and some nights they don't. Not sure what the plan is, but that's because I'm not entirely sure there is a plan. Anyway, I think KAT was dragging and he is a guy we need to stay relatively fresh, because fresh KAT = instant offense. He looked sluggish out there tonight.
1. Length - We will continue to have matchup issues against long teams on both ends. Getting back Mitch and/or Precious will help in terms of offensive boards and defensing the paint, but what we saw in this game is a breakdown in offensive strategy once we started getting rejected in the paint. You can counter that with ball movement, but our off-ball activity this game was generally weak even when we did rotate the ball.
2. Dadiet - In 3 minutes I had a revelation. This guy has more potential to become a 2-way stud than most guys in the rotation. One reason why comes to mind instantly: this kid has an intuitive knack for moving his feet and getting into good positions on both ends of the court. Dadiet is feeling like a future impact player.
3. OG - Guy is the MOST consistently impactful player on the team. Not Brunson, not KAT, not Hart, it's OG who almost every game shows up and delivers the goods on both ends of the court. It is perhaps not possible to say he's the most important player on the team, but after Hart he is the one who puts his stamp on the game with the greatest consistency. Hart usually does too, but OG is on another level that Josh will never reach which is no knock on Hart. It just means OG is the truth. Guy is a freaking phenomenon. I don't think that many people appreciate him as much as he deserves to be.
4. Thibs - Fatigue will continue to be a question surrounding our rotations. Fine, say Thibs is the best coach we've had in forever and I won't quibble with that. But let's be real here. Some nights guys on our bench get minutes and some nights they don't. Not sure what the plan is, but that's because I'm not entirely sure there is a plan. Anyway, I think KAT was dragging and he is a guy we need to stay relatively fresh, because fresh KAT = instant offense. He looked sluggish out there tonight.
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2010 wrote:Two offensive sequences killed us:
• We cut the lead down to 2 pts and had all the momentum. Knicks steal the ball and come down court on a 2-on-1 fast break. Brunson throws an alley to Mikal too late and off-line and Mikal missed what would’ve been a game-tying dunk
• Knicks cut the lead to 4 points and gain possession and are on the break, Mikal pulls up for a terrible 3 above the break (a shot he hasn’t been able to hit all season) and bricks it
That break was more like a 3 on 1. Sims was trailing. Then we sent them to the line like 3 or 4 times in a row.
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Bridges is pure ass.
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Clyde_Style wrote:TAKEAWAYS
1. Length - We will continue to have matchup issues against long teams on both ends. Getting back Mitch and/or Precious will help in terms of offensive boards and defensing the paint, but what we saw in this game is a breakdown in offensive strategy once we started getting rejected in the paint. You can counter that with ball movement, but our off-ball activity this game was generally weak even when we did rotate the ball.
2. Dadiet - In 3 minutes I had a revelation. This guy has more potential to become a 2-way stud than most guys in the rotation. One reason why comes to mind instantly: this kid has an intuitive knack for moving his feet and getting into good positions on both ends of the court. Dadiet is feeling like a future impact player.
3. OG - Guy is the MOST consistently impactful player on the team. Not Brunson, not KAT, not Hart, it's OG who almost every game shows up and delivers the goods on both ends of the court. It is perhaps not possible to say he's the most important player on the team, but after Hart he is the one who puts his stamp on the game with the greatest consistency. Hart usually does too, but OG is on another level that Josh will never reach which is no knock on Hart. It just means OG is the truth. Guy is a freaking phenomenon. I don't think that many people appreciate him as much as he deserves to be.
4. Thibs - Fatigue will continue to be a question surrounding our rotations. Fine, say Thibs is the best coach we've had in forever and I won't quibble with that. But let's be real here. Some nights guys on our bench get minutes and some nights they don't. Not sure what the plan is, but that's because I'm not entirely sure there is a plan. Anyway, I think KAT was dragging and he is a guy we need to stay relatively fresh, because fresh KAT = instant offense. He looked sluggish out there tonight.
Length and switching. Our offense falls apart when teams switch everything. We kept getting smalls against Kessler and they would do nothing with it.
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He’s not a dominant player but I have some faith in Mikal.
Still well within his adjustment period
Still well within his adjustment period
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This defense ain’t it
Thibs ain’t it
KAT at the 5 ain’t it (-28 on the day)
Hart at the 4 ain’t it (-31 on the day)
Maybe we can become legit when our 3 defenders return… maybe.
Thibs ain’t it
KAT at the 5 ain’t it (-28 on the day)
Hart at the 4 ain’t it (-31 on the day)
Maybe we can become legit when our 3 defenders return… maybe.
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KnicksGod wrote:He’s not a dominant player but I have some faith in Mikal.
Still well within his adjustment period

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2010 wrote:This team just isn’t built to be able to win when the starters don’t defend and 3 out of the 5 have a terrible shooting game (Brunson, Towns, and Bridges).
Also, we cut an 18 pt lead down to 2, then Brunson and Bridges started jacking up some terrible shots and allowed the lead to balloon again.
Last year with Mitch or IHart on the floor Post OG this teams defense was consistently dominant. And neither Randle or Divo were necessarily key pieces of that dominance.
Unless we fire Thibs, its looking more and more like we need that elite rim protector back badly .
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2010 wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:**** this team
You frustrated? It should be pretty-much accepted that the team will be up-and-down without consistency until Precious and Mitch are back.
You can’t win consistently when you’re relying on outscoring opponents. One off shooting night will equate to a loss if you’re not an above average team defensively.
A Thibs coached team is like a fish out of water without an elite rim protector.
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Glad I missed this one. On to the next one. I don't even care that we lost. Just waiting for my chicken and garlic sauce pork fried rice combo to be delivered. The hangover is real! Make it stop!














