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Re: Mid Season Report Cards 

Post#21 » by TheGreenArrow » Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:41 pm

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Re: Mid Season Report Cards 

Post#22 » by hundreth » Fri Feb 14, 2025 4:45 pm

The weak points of the season are KAT's defense and Thibs coaching, especially re: the 3pt line.

Everyone else has lived up to or exceeded expectations for their roles. I mean, we didn't expect KAT's defense to be good, but it has been abysmal and in many instances cancels out his offense completely.
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Re: Mid Season Report Cards 

Post#23 » by Luv those Knicks » Fri Feb 14, 2025 5:25 pm

robillionaire wrote:Here’s my honest one

Towns - A+
Brunson - A
Hart - A
Mikal - C (could be lower, this is ignoring the package. If I consider the package, D-)
OG - B (would be A but the injury)
Payne - C+
Shamet - F
Precious - C+ (lots of games missed with injury)
Rookies - N/A besides Dadiet he gets an F
Deuce - D+ (injury also a factor)
Sims - F
Ryan and other bench players - F
Mitch - F (back by December, good one, why weigh 320?)
Thibs - F+ (ran a modern offense better than people thought, actually started towns at the 5 so he could have a career year, good team record 4th best in NBA with new team and strategy to integrate, best record in 28 years etc.)


Fixed it for you.

I'd give Shamat a D or D-. Not quite an F. Sims maybe a C-. He's not great, but he is what he is. He played well enough to get traded. The return was so so, but other teams had light interest.

Deuce is closer to a C. Disappointing but not awful. Maybe I'm splitting hairs.
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Re: Mid Season Report Cards 

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Post#25 » by Enzo954 » Fri Feb 14, 2025 6:42 pm

Brunson - A
KAT - A
OG - B
Hart - B+
Bridges - B-
McBride - C
Payne - C
Precious - B+
Shamet - C
Ryan - F
Kolek - B+ When he gets to see the court
Dadiet - C- When he gets to see the court
Hukporti - B-
Mitch - N/A

Thibs - C
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Re: Mid Season Report Cards 

Post#26 » by Richard4444 » Fri Feb 14, 2025 6:46 pm

Brunson - A-
KAT - A
OG - B+
Hart - A+
Bridges - B-
McBride - B
Payne - B+
Precious - B
Shamet - C
Ryan - D+
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Re: Mid Season Report Cards 

Post#27 » by Jalen Bluntson » Fri Feb 14, 2025 6:47 pm

hundreth wrote:The weak points of the season are KAT's defense and Thibs coaching, especially re: the 3pt line.

Everyone else has lived up to or exceeded expectations for their roles. I mean, we didn't expect KAT's defense to be good, but it has been abysmal and in many instances cancels out his offense completely.


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Re: Mid Season Report Cards 

Post#28 » by mpharris36 » Fri Feb 14, 2025 6:55 pm

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hundreth wrote:The weak points of the season are KAT's defense and Thibs coaching, especially re: the 3pt line.

Everyone else has lived up to or exceeded expectations for their roles. I mean, we didn't expect KAT's defense to be good, but it has been abysmal and in many instances cancels out his offense completely.


Absolute nonsense.


considering he has a +8.8 NET rating (best out of all the knicks starters) this has to be one of the least backed up comments I have seen in a minute.
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Re: Mid Season Report Cards 

Post#29 » by Chanel Bomber » Fri Feb 14, 2025 7:04 pm

hundreth wrote:The weak points of the season are KAT's defense and Thibs coaching, especially re: the 3pt line.

Everyone else has lived up to or exceeded expectations for their roles. I mean, we didn't expect KAT's defense to be good, but it has been abysmal and in many instances cancels out his offense completely.

KAT has been the best player on the team.

His +8.8 net rating ranks first among starters. His EPM ranks first on the team.

The defensive "struggles" are completely overstated. He has the second-best defensive rating among starters behind OG. His defensive EPM is in the red but only by a slight margin. Teams barely score more against the Knicks per 100 possessions when he's on the court vs off. He's not a good defender by any stretch of the imagination, but he's not a liability either. There isn't really a pertinent piece of data that supports the notion that his defense is "abysmal" let alone that it "cancels out" his elite offensive impact.

The only question about KAT is does he make first team All-NBA and does he finish top 5 in MVP voting.
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Re: Mid Season Report Cards 

Post#30 » by Chanel Bomber » Fri Feb 14, 2025 7:12 pm

The notion that Thibs is doing a poor job coaching the team when the Knicks have been top 5 in net rating through most of the season and is literally in contention for best offense in NBA history is a bit of a reach to me.

Sure, I agree to a considerable extent with the minutes thing, particularly in the case of OG.

And the defense is perhaps too radical in leaving 3-point shooters open. But we have to acknowledge that protecting the paint is the top priority, as it remains the most efficient source of offense. And without a rim protector, our wing defenders have to collapse towards the paint in order to provide the help needed to protect the basket.

But he's a highly competent coach, who's running a high-powered offense, and coaching a defense that is holding up statistically despite having no rim protector, and one of the worst (though willing) defenders in the league in Brunson. My point is, our defense isn't great, but it could be a lot worse with some of our personnel. And while I agree with a lot of the complaints about the minutes, the team does lack depth.
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Re: Mid Season Report Cards 

Post#31 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Fri Feb 14, 2025 7:12 pm

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Re: Mid Season Report Cards 

Post#32 » by Chanel Bomber » Fri Feb 14, 2025 7:14 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:Mpharris-F- - - - - - -!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guano-C+!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nodope-D-!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3tothehead-F-!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jalen Bluntson-F- - - - -!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Buzzy-F- - -!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Context-A+!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kampuecha-F!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Iron mantis-C!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Walt Frazier-C+!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chanel Bomber-B-!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reign23-C-!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wildcat-C!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Capn0-B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nykballa2k4-D-!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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All that groveling, enabling and co-signing you do Guan0 and he gave you a C+ while ChaHell just waltz around this place with carefree Jeff Goldblum energy and he gets a B.

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Re: Mid Season Report Cards 

Post#33 » by Wildcat » Fri Feb 14, 2025 7:20 pm

KAT has surpassed my wildest expectation. Deuce has been my biggest disappointment.
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Post#34 » by Stannis » Fri Feb 14, 2025 7:21 pm

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Re: Mid Season Report Cards 

Post#35 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Fri Feb 14, 2025 7:25 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:Mpharris-F- - - - - - -!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guano-C+!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nodope-D-!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3tothehead-F-!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jalen Bluntson-F- - - - -!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Buzzy-F- - -!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Context-A+!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kampuecha-F!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Iron mantis-C!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Walt Frazier-C+!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chanel Bomber-B-!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reign23-C-!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wildcat-C!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Capn0-B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nykballa2k4-D-!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fat Kat-B+!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spree2Kawhi-C-!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Adelheid-B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
B8RcDeMktfxC-C+!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P2 in the coming days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



All that groveling, enabling and co-signing you do Guan0 and he gave you a C+ while ChaHell just waltz around this place with carefree Jeff Goldblum energy and he gets a B.




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Post#36 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Feb 14, 2025 7:27 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:The notion that Thibs is doing a poor job coaching the team when the Knicks have been top 5 in net rating through most of the season and is literally in contention for best offense in NBA history is a bit of a reach to me.

Sure, I agree to a considerable extent with the minutes thing, particularly in the case of OG.

And the defense is perhaps too radical in leaving 3-point shooters open. But we have to acknowledge that protecting the paint is the top priority, as it remains the most efficient source of offense. And without a rim protector, our wing defenders have to collapse towards the paint in order to provide the help needed to protect the basket.

But he's a highly competent coach, who's running a high-powered offense, and coaching a defense that is holding up statistically despite having no rim protector, and one of the worst (though willing) defenders in the league in Brunson. My point is, our defense isn't great, but it could be a lot worse with some of our personnel. And while I agree with a lot of the complaints about the minutes, the team does lack depth.

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Post#37 » by G_K_F » Fri Feb 14, 2025 7:29 pm

Brunson - A-
KAT - A
OG - B+
Hart - A+
Bridges - C
McBride - C
Payne - C-
Precious - B
Shamet - F
Ryan - F
Kolek - Incomplete
Dadiet - Incomplete
Hukporti - B-
Mitch - F

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Post#38 » by spree8 » Fri Feb 14, 2025 7:38 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:The notion that Thibs is doing a poor job coaching the team when the Knicks have been top 5 in net rating through most of the season and is literally in contention for best offense in NBA history is a bit of a reach to me.

Sure, I agree to a considerable extent with the minutes thing, particularly in the case of OG.

And the defense is perhaps too radical in leaving 3-point shooters open. But we have to acknowledge that protecting the paint is the top priority, as it remains the most efficient source of offense. And without a rim protector, our wing defenders have to collapse towards the paint in order to provide the help needed to protect the basket.

But he's a highly competent coach, who's running a high-powered offense, and coaching a defense that is holding up statistically despite having no rim protector, and one of the worst (though willing) defenders in the league in Brunson. My point is, our defense isn't great, but it could be a lot worse with some of our personnel. And while I agree with a lot of the complaints about the minutes, the team does lack depth.



You think our offensive success is more because of Thibs than the crazy talent we have on that end? I don’t see anything really creative being executed. Pretty basic stuff and KAT and Mikal aren’t really being maximized to their fullest ability… kinda crazy in KAT’s case considering how well he’s doing off sheer talent. And why are we forcing so many shots with the shot clock winding down under 3 seconds so often? It’s like all the time.

Defensively, he’s forcing a square peg in a round hole with KAT in the drop. Not switching anywhere near enough is causing guys to die on screens and our bigs getting killed in the drop, not to mention creating open 3’s for the opponent. The breakdown in communication, rotations, etc is killing us a lot on that end and costing our defenders too much energy and unnecessary contact.

Like you got a screen Mikal slams into, now he’s taken out of the play, ball handler and roller now attack the basket with KAT hesitating in drop, help defender rotates to assist, leaving a wide open 3 that the ball handler kicks out to. Just 1 scenario that happens too often. Another scenario, defender dies on the screen, KAT drops, gives ball handler wide open 3.

Being forced to watch Thibs stick to this kind of coverage is frustrating and that combined with uninspiring offense (that most of us know has potential to be much better) along with this phony reputation for preparedness despite preferring to protect the paint against a team like Boston who takes more 3’s than 2’s, gives him a below average grade imo.
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Post#39 » by G_K_F » Fri Feb 14, 2025 7:39 pm

Tom Thibodeau has reached a conference finals once in his career - 15 years ago in his rookie head coaching season.

He's a solid coach but he has no track record of great playoff success to get that type of respect.
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Post#40 » by Jalen Bluntson » Fri Feb 14, 2025 7:45 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:The notion that Thibs is doing a poor job coaching the team when the Knicks have been top 5 in net rating through most of the season and is literally in contention for best offense in NBA history is a bit of a reach to me.

Sure, I agree to a considerable extent with the minutes thing, particularly in the case of OG.

And the defense is perhaps too radical in leaving 3-point shooters open. But we have to acknowledge that protecting the paint is the top priority, as it remains the most efficient source of offense. And without a rim protector, our wing defenders have to collapse towards the paint in order to provide the help needed to protect the basket.

But he's a highly competent coach, who's running a high-powered offense, and coaching a defense that is holding up statistically despite having no rim protector, and one of the worst (though willing) defenders in the league in Brunson. My point is, our defense isn't great, but it could be a lot worse with some of our personnel. And while I agree with a lot of the complaints about the minutes, the team does lack depth.


The offense is basically figure it out as you go. If we didn't have elite offensive talent we would not be where we are right now. The defense is terrible because we sag to the paint as a rule not a result of no rim protection. It's the scheme and it doesn't work so well with the players he has. Neither does the drop coverage. It gets exploited night in and night out with spamming threes and pick an rolls. As does the minutes when teams wait to pour it on late in games. He's a good coach who could be doing a better job than he is.

He gets a pass for injuries to an extent. He should still try mixing it up and doing different things. That almost never happens. It also doesn't excuse playing the bench less than half the time his opponents do. Hopefully we build the bench up enough and the talent overrides his flaws. You need talent to win. You need coaching to put that talent over the top. We have the former. We will find out soon enough if we have the latter.
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