Jalen Bluntson wrote:RHODEY wrote:There's the money aspect, and that's all the study cares about. Big bucks. My guess is that Thunderbolts will do OK in the theaters, but it won't be a home run. From the money perspective, the Spiderman films and X-men films were successes, well, until the x-men films weren't. Marvel has them back now and that's a potential cash cow, but only if it's done right.
As a fan, I care about the quality and something that sometimes gets overlooked, rewatchability. The x-men movies were fine, but I don't consider them rewatchable. It was just fun seeing comic characters on screen, but there wasn't a lot of depth. What the MCU nailed in a way that X-men did not was they felt like real people. Steve Rodgers, Tony Stark, Bruce Banner (and, respect to Edward Norton, but Mark Ruffalo comes across as an actual person with a big green curse so much better), even Thor was a real character because they made him human before they gave him his powers back. That's what made the MCU great. It felt like a human drama, with a diverse cast, and superpowers was the backdrop. Scott Lang too, much more like a person you'd like. Some of the characters are flat, like Falcon and I'd throw Scarlett Johanson in there. She's not bad, but she's not complex.
Or Guardians, where they can get silly and go outside what you'd get with normal people. A racoon that people call Rodent or Rabbit. Drax. Groot. Yondu threatening to eat people. It's unusual, but it works.
That's what they're going for, and I think they know that just flashy stories (Thor Ragnarok was great, but Love and Thunder sucked in my opinion, and Multiverse of Madness had no heart. It was just a bunch of stuff that happened. I think James Gunn tried with Guardians 3, and it was OK, but it felt too overl-stuffed and it moved too far away from the fun and light story that guardians 1 was. The only recent one I liked was Deadpool & Wolverine and that wasn't even realy MCU, it was written by Ryan Reynold's deadpool writers, with just some MCU oversight.
If they can regain that "wow that was good, a good story not just powers", tell your friends and see it in theaters twice and all that.
Regarding the FF and later with the x-men, then I think they have a shot at their goal of more billions and the fans wish for great movies coming together. Just having Galactus isn't enough though a physical galactus is better than a cloud, but they need to create the Fantastic Four family that feels like a family. In a way, dating it back to the 60s is smart, it's like the father knows best era. They can do things during a simpler time and make the story feel quaint. Maybe reference the moon landings and a different era and al that.
Fun sidebar, it's a lady silver surfer in this FF film. That's the kind of thing people hate. The reason for this is because it's a different universe. They probably will bring in the real silver surfer if all goes well in later films, but they didn't want to use Warren Radd in the first film. If the plan was a one-off, then they'd use Warren Radd, but they want this film to be a springboard into secret wars and another step into the multiverse (which so far, Multiverse of Madness and the reference at the end of the Marvels, I think has missed more than it's hit the target).
I don't know if they'll pull it off. But I'm optimistic with FF. Less so with x-men. I think a realy good x-men movie is hard to do. I think First Class and Days of Future Past were very good. It's going to be hard to do the character building with the x-men, the way they did with Cap and Iron Man and Thor and Antman - each getting a solo movie before they were brought together.
I'm rambling, and I've done enough writing and reading to know that story telling and making good movies is hard. That's why there's a lot of bad ones, but as an x-men fan and a marvel fan, I hope they pull it off.
Too much?
Great post. Is Warren Radd related to Norrin Radd?But seriously its going to be tough. As you mentioned so much goings into adapting a good Superhero Movie. And because of past failure people become more resistant. You have to keep the spirit without retreading old hat. I like what they did with Ironman. They chosse a well known but at best B grade hero and turned him into an A lister. Ofcourse he had a relatable and compelling backstory....
I think they need to focus more solo stories using underdeveloped characters that have potential. A couple of characters that come to mind for me:
Nova - intergalactic space cop
Blue Marvel - Black American superman who had to leave the planet to escape racism
Longshot- wacky , fun, maybe too redundant with deadpool ..but i Like him and the mojo world backdrop
Clandestine- interesting familial superteam whose exploits streches across centuries.....
Yeah. Great post.
They seem to be cashing in on secret wars so...FF/X-Men/Spiderman etc were all a part of that run. I remember the Spider-Man/Venom story starting there. They need to tie into that story line and the multiverse is part of that too. Mid 80s reading material originally.
Right less risky to go with the well knowns...I get it
RIP mags
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