OT: Obama wins the Iowa Caucus

[OoAnd1]

What's the big deal about Edwards?!?!?

He just seems like a punk.

I'm sure it benefits him that he's the main white male Democrat running.

Clinton is corrupt...and plays politics...so I understand those that do and do not like her....but why would anyone vote Edwards over Obama....Obama is twice the guy Edwards is.

[knicks742]

What's the big deal about Edwards?!?!?

He just seems like a punk.

I'm sure it benefits him that he's the main white male Democrat running.

Clinton is corrupt...and plays politics...so I understand those that do and do not like her....but why would anyone vote Edwards over Obama....Obama is twice the guy Edwards is.

Explain.

[KnicksGadfly]

I'm a McCain guy...but he's screwed here lol

[makeitstop]

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Hillary

But I am hoping Edwards.

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[OoAnd1]

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Explain.

Edwards is a fake, a hypocrite. He doesn't care about anyone but himself and his family. When he was a trial lawyer, sure the people he represented weren't let down, but not without making himself a millionaire in the process.

What has he ever done to help people that didn't benefit himself as well?

Obama was a lawyer as well, but he didn't choose a career where he was suing the heath industry for millions of dollars. He was a civil rights lawyer and taught.

Every time Edwards implies he's the champion for the people in poverty I feel like punching him. He lives in a damn campus, maybe if he donated all his money and just lived off his President's salary I'd believe him.

There's much more, like the terrible staff he's had, etc...but Edwards won't win anything for me to worry too much about.

[Jemini80]

Romney won't be the nominee, he needed to win Iowa and NH to be the nominee and he isn't getting either.

I would also love to know how McCain would get taken to the cleaners by Clinton considering they have mostly the same view points, except McCain tells the truth about the war and Clinton lies about what she will really do. Clinton's healthcare plan is going to kill her in the election if she is nominated because she will either have to raise taxes or cut something else and the Republicans will make a big deal about either of them. Plus McCain's military record and the fact that he is a veteran will be added benefit.

It doesn't matter though, all that has to happen is Obama not get killed and our country is as good as gold with Conny and Colin powell in the future. The only reason Powell hasn't run is because his wife thinks he will get killed, if Obama doesn't get killed, we are as good as gold.

GW sucks, but he only won because Gore and Kerry sucked more, that is the honest truth. Gore is now bought and paid for by whoever is really behind the "Global Warming" stuff, considering it is not main made and most of the sgns, even though no one will bring this up leads to the fact that the North and South poles are switching like they do every couple hundred years.

If we can get through this election without
Clinton( the unqualified person only here because of her last name, deserves no respect for sticking with her cheating husband only because she wanted to run for pres)
Romney(the devil)
Huckabee (devil pretending to be a preacher)
Paul (crazy old devil, none of his **** is true or works, it only works on innocent young minds which tend to be all of his supporters which thus make him pointless because young people never vote no matter how much they try)
Obama (sorry he is corrupt too as much as he hides it, just far less corrupt than clinton)
Thompson(doesn't even want to be president, was forced to run by his backers)

if someone from that list had to be pres though, it should be Obama just because he is the lesser of all evils.

it is my opinion though, that no matter who wins, they will only be a 1 term president. Things are going to get worse before they can get better, and this will probably stop all the Bush bashing as well.

[Capn'O]

I'm hoping for Obama to win here and ultimately emerge as the Dem candidate. He has the same uncanny ability that guys like FDR had to use his rhetorical powers to inspire en masse. I think this and his natural ability to build coalitions will offset his lack of experience. I generally agree with his political stances but I really think his combination of personability and authority and is something our country desparately needs in a leader.

This would be such a refreshing change from Bush who stumbles over simple sentences and has been an incredibly divisive force in Washington. Hilary has done a good job of gaining certain supporters but she can be quite nasty and overpolitical. I think she would be about as divisive as Bush. Edwards I like but I just don't think he's quite as convincing as Obama.

[makeitstop]

What's the big deal about Edwards?!?!?

He just seems like a punk.

I'm sure it benefits him that he's the main white male Democrat running.

Edwards is a smart dude. Put him one-on-one against any of the Repub wannabes and he'll make any one of them cry like a baby.

And part of the problem I think the Democrats have is precisely that the two front runners right now are a woman and a black man. You might think that it's racist or sexist of me to say, but I firmly believe that this country is not ready to elect a black man or a woman as president.

There's still way too much stupid out there for people to make the choice to elect Obama (who I think would make an outstanding president). And not only are the Dems likely to nominate a woman - but they're likely to nominate the most reviled woman in American politics. Many, many Americans hate Hillary Clinton, and a lot of them hate her and they don't even know why.

Even though either one of them would be able to be president, I don't think this country has gotten to the point where either of them can become president.

Having said all that - if either Obama or Clinton receive the nomination, I'll work my ass off locally to get them elected and vote for them gladly - because the guys on the Republican side are just different magnitudes of nightmare, and the Bush model of government is a bigger failure than Isiah Thomas' Knicks.

[knicks742]

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You said what had to be said. I would not be shocked if Edwards wins tonight. Everyone gets excited but, the truth is, most people have an idea of what their President looks like in their heads and Edwards fits that idea better.

I believe that thats what killed Dean. Everyone got super excited but when they saw whether he could win in a general election, most people realized he couldnt and turned to the establishment's candidate.

[Capn'O]

With Obama people keep talking about whether he can win the south... maybe so maybe not... I don't think Hilary can either. But can he win in the midwest? He supposedly has built a strong coalition there and the Iowa caucus should answer that. And if he can win the midwest then he should be able to get other swing states as well...

[richardhutnik]

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It's interesting though. I think a lot people label Obama as inexperienced because of his age, and the fact that he's only been a US Senator since 2004. However, many forget that he served as a State Senator before that.

I agree that all 3 top candidates are solid though. I personally like Edwards a lot, but know he's likely out of it unless he pulls a miracle in Iowa or NH.

Obama has more experience than Hillary, period. There is the getting a woman in the White House and the belief that you get Bill Clinton back in the White House that are about the only things Hillary has going for her.

- Rich

[cmaff051]

Edwards may win Iowa, but he has little chance to win the Democratic nomination. He's a known quantity. He's like McCain, he has good ideals and a good message, but his statute of limitations has passed.

[midtown]

Obama wont help us in dealing with Arab nations should he be elected as Prez. Can anyone tell me why?

I think our best candidate is Hillary. Id love to see Hillary & Obama on the Dem ticket. That would be sick

[slamvangundy]

Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.

The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don

[cmaff051]

Slamvangundy, I love that speech. I believe he made that in 2002 before the Iraq War Resolution was passed. It's just uncanny how well he predicted all of this.

[slamvangundy]

If the democrats were Knicks,

Obama would be David Lee
Hillary would be Zach Randolph
and Edwards would be Mardy Collins.

Or to use the nba as an example. Going with Obama as the democratic nominee is like building your franchise around Chris Paul (intelligent, fundamentals, going in the right direction). Going with Hillary is like building around Steve Francis (it was a big name going around a few years ago, but never amounted to much of anything and gives major ammunition for questioning intelligence). Going with Edwards is like building around Tyrus Thomas (a big pretty player who never has and never will produce anything, doesn't really understand what's going on).

[KnicksGadfly]

If the democrats were Knicks,

Obama would be David Lee
Hillary would be Zach Randolph
and Edwards would be Mardy Collins.

who would be stephon marbury?

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who would be stephon marbury?

I guess Dennis Kucinich because

-he's been playing the game longer than any of his peers
-nothing out of his mouth makes sense and it seems that he is on drugs
-it seems he's a well intentioned guy whose heart is in the right place
-but is still completely inneffective.

[slamvangundy]

Slamvangundy, I love that speech. I believe he made that in 2002 before the Iraq War Resolution was passed. It's just uncanny how well he predicted all of this.

yeah. anyone who is arguing that this guy lacks the experience, just look at his predictions as an outsider. Obama is a very serious thinker, who actually looks at the facts and makes his own decisions. John Edwards and Hillary Clinton just shamelessly went along with the president. More than half of the democrats voted against the resolution. Why couldn't Edwards or Hillary?

[slamvangundy]

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Edwards is a smart dude. Put him one-on-one against any of the Repub wannabes and he'll make any one of them cry like a baby.

And part of the problem I think the Democrats have is precisely that the two front runners right now are a woman and a black man. You might think that it's racist or sexist of me to say, but I firmly believe that this country is not ready to elect a black man or a woman as president.

There's still way too much stupid out there for people to make the choice to elect Obama (who I think would make an outstanding president). And not only are the Dems likely to nominate a woman - but they're likely to nominate the most reviled woman in American politics. Many, many Americans hate Hillary Clinton, and a lot of them hate her and they don't even know why.

Even though either one of them would be able to be president, I don't think this country has gotten to the point where either of them can become president.

Having said all that - if either Obama or Clinton receive the nomination, I'll work my ass off locally to get them elected and vote for them gladly - because the guys on the Republican side are just different magnitudes of nightmare, and the Bush model of government is a bigger failure than Isiah Thomas' Knicks.

Luckily the country is also not ready to elect a Mormon, a twice divorced catholic who had sex with his cousin or a geriatric. I think all this sex, race, religion stuff is bull, but I admit it matters. If you think Obama or Hillary can't make against their republican competition, I think your overestimating the fact that he is black and that she is a woman.