I like Zach because

[king_k4life]

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Zach does not play better defense than Lee. Why do you continue to say stupid things like that? Last year you said Curry is one of the best paint defenders in the game, using the "points in the paint" stat to prove your point. Do you ever get tired of the false crap you spew? Do you even watch the games? What exactly is your definition of good defense? I mean, for christsakes you think Stephon Marbury plays good defense.

Again smutbucket

I SAID THE KNICKS did


Curry is a solid MANO a Mano Defender with other bigs

Help D and reaction time he is ass


Marbury is good at defending taller stronger gaurd not quick off the dribble gaurds.


Now Remove my penis from the back of your throat

[Jemini80]

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Zach does not play better defense than Lee. Why do you continue to say stupid things like that? Last year you said Curry is one of the best paint defenders in the game, using the "points in the paint" stat to prove your point. Do you ever get tired of the false crap you spew? Do you even watch the games? What exactly is your definition of good defense? I mean, for christsakes you think Stephon Marbury plays good defense.

all of this is true, except yes Zach does play better defense than Lee. So i guess that would make both of you idiots. Do you ever get tired of being such a dumbass?

Eddy Curry is a horrible off-ball defender, but i am sure the stats are right that he is a good on ball defender considering there is no way you are getting around his fat ass.

[duetta]

all of this is true, except yes Zach does play better defense than Lee.

Not at all true. I have no clue what games you've been watching. Or maybe Isiah has been sitting Zach out of spite.

[king_k4life]

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all of this is true, except yes Zach does play better defense than Lee. So i guess that would make both of you idiots. Do you ever get tired of being such a dumbass?

Eddy Curry is a horrible off-ball defender, but i am sure the stats are right that he is a good on ball defender considering there is no way you are getting around his fat ass.

Like the snide comments keep talking out the side of your neck

[cmaff051]

Woah, looks like I started a windfall of emotions in this thread. Let me just say I apologize to both of you and I respect both of your opinions even though I don't agree with both of you most of the time (king in particular).

I'll stick to my opinion that Zach has no positives defensively. Both Lee and Zach get pushed around when they are playing man to man defense, but Lee plays good help defense and Zach doesn't. Zach is just as clueless as Curry when it comes to rotating and help.

[GuyverADL]

Randolph needs to play next to a defensive center just like Curry needs to play next to a defensive PF. DUMP THEM BOTH.

[Jose7]

He's terrible, gott alove him arguing with refs why he is absoletly getting ABUSED by Troy murphy.

[king_k4life]

Woah, looks like I started a windfall of emotions in this thread. Let me just say I apologize to both of you and I respect both of your opinions even though I don't agree with both of you most of the time (king in particular).

I'll stick to my opinion that Zach has no positives defensively. Both Lee and Zach get pushed around when they are playing man to man defense, but Lee plays good help defense and Zach doesn't. Zach is just as clueless as Curry when it comes to rotating and help.

Lee plays Help Defense yes


Zach plays D period and doesn't get pushed around he gets Shot OVER and works hard and gambles for steals and deflections.

And Whatever it's cool

[king_k4life]

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[Jose7]

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* Turns on Lil Wayne and Robin Thicke *

Whats the name of the song

SHOOTER

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Your such a cornball it's not even funny. We are stuck with this loser for 4 more years, thanks Isiah. xoxo

[king_k4life]

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[KnicksGadfly]

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Lmao you expect dude to be Ben Wallace seriously Most PF's get torched by guys on the perimeter.


And he SHOW's Emotion he is a head case just needs the right coach.

A Fair Coach That is not trying to be the players friend.

Get Zach out of here, I'm done with him. He seriously is too much of a plodder and black hole. Right now, I'm ready to give up on the season in the hopes of getting Derrick Rose, and rebuild. I think what Isiah is doing is pretty damn (Please Use More Appropriate Word). Our team should be running more, not forcing it to the big fat bums in the paint. Having Derrick Rose run that type of offense would work well, I think.
Lee doesn't have that perimeter game yet, but he can run, and he can pull down the rebounds. Lee also has a tendency to get blocked, but when Lee is running and someone tries to block him, he can pull off a double clutch move or other moves to get out of that. Turning him loose and running would also let him clean up after the misses after the fast break, and he's rebounding less since more teams have marked him.
Then after that, you have Balkman, who can't shoot for junk, but can bring the ball up quickly after he pulls down that rebound. Crawford's shooting less than mediocre, but even his numbers will go up. On a fast break, I'm pretty sure even he would take an opportunity to drive to the basket rather than shoot.
My conclusion? Get rid of Zach, get rid of Eddy. Get some guys who can run. Get Derrick Rose. Unfortunately, this is easier said than done, because it requires defense and rebounding, but it can be done. Anyway, players will probably be more inclined to play defense if it leads to easier baskets and running. Feel free to criticize.

[ctorres]

Every good big man in the league has a weakness, even the better ones.

Jermaine O'Neal: no matter how good he is offensively and defensively, is injury prone.
Kevin Garnett: he is not a power post player offensively, gets by on jumpers.
Dwight Howard: still has a ways to go to develop his game offensively, he has improved, but most of his points come from overpowering the opposition.
Yao Ming: injury prone, lacks speed
Dirk Nowitzki: not a power post player, weaker than Garnett in that regard
Zach Randolph: amazing post game, struggles defensively

[ccvle]

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in terms of building around someone yes. curry's younger and can dominate in the post. and has the potential to be a very good center, although he probably won't reach it. zach's contract is way too much.

why are you even bringing up the age difference? curry is only one year younger. And it is a joke to talk even about curry's potential.

[KnicksGadfly]

Every good big man in the league has a weakness, even the better ones.

Jermaine O'Neal: no matter how good he is offensively and defensively, is injury prone.
Kevin Garnett: he is not a power post player offensively, gets by on jumpers.
Dwight Howard: still has a ways to go to develop his game offensively, he has improved, but most of his points come from overpowering the opposition.
Yao Ming: injury prone, lacks speed
Dirk Nowitzki: not a power post player, weaker than Garnett in that regard
Zach Randolph: amazing post game, struggles defensively

Well I guess being injury prone is a legitimate argument. However, when you talk about Kevin Garnett, or Dwight, their weaknesses are far less crippling to the team. How they score, is how they score. As long as they can do it and consistently, it doesn't matter how versatile they are. I would Dwight's free throws are a bigger weakness, and Kevin Garnett's deference to his teammates are a bigger weakness (although that can be a strength too). For Zach, you have bigger weaknesses. For one, he's just not athletic. Dwight's power game can also be considered a strength in that he will finish over you. Two, as you said, he's just not a good defender...Carlos Boozer is a **** defender, but there's a difference in offensive ability, and a certain someone called AK-47. He can't block either. Third, he doesn't pass. He does from time to time, but when he does, he can still commit things like half court passes. On the fast break, if you give him the ball, you can forget about getting it back. In short? Yea, the stars have their weaknesses, but not a huge glaring one like Zach's defensive deficiencies. Even with an "amazing" post game, it just stagnates the offense.

[ctorres]

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Well I guess being injury prone is a legitimate argument. However, when you talk about Kevin Garnett, or Dwight, their weaknesses are far less crippling to the team. How they score, is how they score. As long as they can do it and consistently, it doesn't matter how versatile they are. I would Dwight's free throws are a bigger weakness, and Kevin Garnett's deference to his teammates are a bigger weakness (although that can be a strength too). For Zach, you have bigger weaknesses. For one, he's just not athletic. Dwight's power game can also be considered a strength in that he will finish over you. Two, as you said, he's just not a good defender...Carlos Boozer is a **** defender, but there's a difference in offensive ability, and a certain someone called AK-47. He can't block either. Third, he doesn't pass. He does from time to time, but when he does, he can still commit things like half court passes. On the fast break, if you give him the ball, you can forget about getting it back. In short? Yea, the stars have their weaknesses, but not a huge glaring one like Zach's defensive deficiencies. Even with an "amazing" post game, it just stagnates the offense.

Not only do I appreciate your argument, but I appreciate you understanding where I was coming from as well.

[KnicksGadfly]

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Not only do I appreciate your argument, but I appreciate you understanding where I was coming from as well.

sarcasm o.o?

[king_k4life]

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Not only do I appreciate your argument, but I appreciate you understanding where I was coming from as well.

Need more posters like you too to post regularly.

[ctorres]

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sarcasm o.o?

None.

[randomhero423]

zach is the worst defensive PF in the league... just because gets defensive rebounds and plays with pride it doesn't translate into a good defensive pf. the guy is absolutely horrible. he's a lil better then curry on help def but that's only 'cuz curry's horrible...