OT: Obama now leads Clinton in New Hampshire

[maddbaron]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... y-194.html

[cmaff051]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_primary-194.html

It's just amazing how much momentum he got from Iowa. It's insane. I realized he would get some momentum from the victory, but not this much.

[knicks742]

If Edwards is Obama's VP, Im either voting independent or republican. What that man is doing to position himself as Obama's VP is despicable. He calls himself antiestablishment when only 4 years ago he was the Party's VP nominee!!!! I laughed when he brought up that bill he put together and Hillary was like, well, that is not a law so STFU.

[Capn'O]

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It's just amazing how much momentum he got from Iowa. It's insane. I realized he would get some momentum from the victory, but not this much.

It is... I think it's a shifting of the mob mentality that I spoke about in the other thread. People were very reluctant to support him because they perceived that others weren't voting for him because of his race. After Iowa many realized that he'd actually have a shot... that his race wasn't as much of a hindrince as originally perceived. Voters who liked him but wanted to choose an electable candidate now think he is one.

That and he gave that knockout speech.

[riyaz_guerra]

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It is... I think it's a shifting of the mob mentality that I spoke about in the other thread. People were very reluctant to support him because they perceived that others weren't voting for him because of his race. After Iowa many realized that he'd actually have a shot... that his race wasn't as much of a hindrince as originally perceived. Voters who liked him but wanted to choose an electable candidate now think he is one.

That and he gave that knockout speech.

I was just talking to someone about the same thing.

I doubt the momentum is so great that people who were firmly in Hillary's camp all of a sudden had some revelation that Obama is the greatest thing since the g-string.

What probably is happening is that some 10-15% of Hillary's vote were probably people who just wanted to support the Democrat who could most likely beat the Republican candidate and they assumed it was going to be Hillary. There are a good number of Democrats who just want any Democrat elected and are tired of the Republicans.

[richardhutnik]

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I've never understood why presidential primaries aren't held all at once the same way that the general election is... they could still be administered state my state as they are now.

Large states only get attention that way and small states get ignored. This goes back to a time when states as individual entities mattered.

- Rich

[richardhutnik]

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/28/us/po ... ref=slogin

Giuliani probably had a good chance of winning that Senate race, but he dropped out...thus leaving Hillary with no formidable opponent in her two NY Senate runs. In spite of the Republican machine that mobilized against her, her direct competition had little chance.

The GOP is a joke in NY state. It can't compete at anything now.

- Rich

[riyaz_guerra]

Politics... isn't it funny that these people are fighting each other despite being from the same party and when they should have the same, sincere motives?!? Ridiculous, it happens in every country...

Good that this Obama guy isn't going down to Hillary's niveau...

They have no choice Mo, that's the way politics work right now in the U.S.

Hilary NEEDS to attack Barack in a personal way because his perceived personal qualities is part of the reason for his momentum.

A lot of these behaviors we're seeing are calculated political responses to the candidate's particular standing in the polls coupled with the candidate's perceived greatest threat.

Everyone is doing this aside from Richardson, who thinks that somehow the polls are completely wrong and people will turn out on Tuesday and vote for Richardson because he's Mr. Positive.

I will bet my life savings that will not happen.

[knicks742]

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I disagree. I think Richardson is positioning himself as a national figure and to have a role in the cabinet of whoever is the next President. Now people know who he is, he seems relatively young, I would not be surprised if he runs again.

[king_k4life]

I still don't believe America will elect Obama


Hope so though


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[richardhutnik]

I still don't believe America will elect Obama

Hope so though

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Well, if Hillary keeps losing, she will then be out. That ends up leaving Obama. Then it is Obama verses whomever the Republicans run. If it is like Mitt or McCain, the Republicans will run into problems. People are tired of the Iraq war for one thing.

- Rich

[riyaz_guerra]

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I disagree. I think Richardson is positioning himself as a national figure and to have a role in the cabinet of whoever is the next President. Now people know who he is, he seems relatively young, I would not be surprised if he runs again.

That is interesting, I did not think about that.

If that is the case, then he would make an intriguing secretary of state.

[king_k4life]

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Well, if Hillary keeps losing, she will then be out. That ends up leaving Obama. Then it is Obama verses whomever the Republicans run. If it is like Mitt or McCain, the Republicans will run into problems. People are tired of the Iraq war for one thing.

- Rich

I really want to see Mitt Romney "disappear"

[knicks742]

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That is interesting, I did not think about that.

If that is the case, then he would make an intriguing secretary of state.

My guess is that Biden or him will have that honor. I think Richardson would be a great VP choice to be honest.

[cmaff051]

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I really want to see Mitt Romney "disappear"

If he loses in New Hampshire tommorow, then your wish may be granted. I don't see how Mitt bounces back and wins the nomination if he doesn't win tommorow.

[king_k4life]

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If he loses in New Hampshire tommorow, then your wish may be granted. I don't see how Mitt bounces back and wins the nomination if he doesn't win tommorow.

Yeah it's hard for me to hate someone but I want him to " have a fall "

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NY6UTnS6Z-A

[cmaff051]

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Yeah it's hard for me to hate someone but I want him to " have a fall "

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NY6UTnS6Z-A

Yeah, I've seen this video, and it reinforces my opinion that Mitt is a grade A scumbag. How somebody could do something like that makes me ill.

[riyaz_guerra]

Any republicans out there can give the board a feel for how the republican race is going? I haven't been keeping up with is as closely as I should.

From the look of the polls it looks far more unpredictable than the Democratic race.

[Capn'O]

Nobody thinks Huckabee has a chance???

People underestimate the extent of the evangelical movement. I don't think he has a chance in NH but after that he could continue to clean up with the other candidates splitting up the non-Christian right vote. If they want to stop him they need to find their choice right quick imo.

He scares me more than any of the other republicans. A lot of political and religious scholars alike think that many Christian Right voters would go to the dems side if McCain or Rudy get the bill. In the primaries, they will almost universally vote for Huckabee because of his hard line abortion stance. Roe V. Wade is issue number one with that contingency. Then, in the nationals it's a matter of what other voter contingencies he can win over.

In the national elections, with the abortion issue being more or less equal between the two candidates they might choose a dem, a third party, or not vote at all. A huge loss for the GOP.

I'd personally love to see Rudy come away with the nom because a lot of the Christian Right HATE him with a firy passion. Obama could win the south!

[cmaff051]

Obama is now tied with Hillary in the national polls, according to Gallup. Just a few weeks ago, the lead looked insurmountable.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/20 ... inton.html

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama each drew 33% of the support from Democrats surveyed in its latest national poll, Gallup just announced.

In mid-December, well before Obama won last Thursday's Democratic caucuses in Iowa, Clinton held an 18-percentage point lead over him in Gallup's survey -- 45% to 27%. The closest the two had been in a previous Gallup poll: Clinton's 37% to Obama's 36% in early June.

John Edwards remains third in Gallup's polling of Democrats. His support: 20%, vs. 15% in mid-December. At 20%, Edwards is at a new high in Gallup's survey. He touched 19% last April.