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Post#21 » by DDV » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:42 pm

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You know this going to happen. All part of Isiah's master plan to drive Knick fans crazy.


the part that kills me the most are these optimistic fans who the past few years have been predicitng wins in the mid 40's and finally admitted its playoffs or bust for isiah and this group this year

so now after the knicks bascially could give a shyt and havent tried for almost a half a season after a 3 game win streak are now back on the bandwagon and are talking about playoffs doesnt matter and they want to finish strong so isiah and this group can feel confident going into the offseason..

isnt that what we thought the past four offseasons?

last year we finsihed well and until injuries hit certian fans thoguht wed make the playoffs and it was wait till we are healthy a whole year


each year at the end of the year people thoguht this teams headed in the right direction..

so after another mid 30's win season people are still gonna buy the same bs that next year will be when everythings soemhow different??


so whats the battlecry gonna be for next year?

thsi is the year we will not wait 40 games to give a shyt?
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Post#22 » by truth serum » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:42 pm

knicks742 wrote:There is a reason this thing is called a lottery. There is no guarantee we will end up with the first pick even if we have the worst record. When was the last time the worst team had the number 1 pick? With Lebron?

I am for playing the best team you have and see what they can do. The fact is this team is not good enough to win consistently. We will be in the lottery this year and if Isiah drafts well, we will pick someone who will help.

I refuse to root against my own team. It's like rooting for this President to do something terrible just so the Democratic nominee has a better chance of winning in November.


That was actually a pretty good analogy. Only thing is, it's not that serious. This is basketball we're talking about....not War and the general well being of Americans. If we're talking about the well being of Knick fans and this franchise in general....then getting the top pick, or even a top 3-5 pick this year would make up for all the losing without a doubt. Unless this team has something in them we have yet to see....where they can make some historic run and actually become a good team (insert joke here)......then snatching a franchise player in the draft is the only real way to turn this thing around. You don't have to root against the team....but there's no way you can be that upset about them sucking this year and landing a guy like Derrick Rose. No way.
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Post#23 » by EnigmatiC » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:44 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:I want the knicks to be competitive in every game, to win every game they can, to develop confidence and a winning attitude.

I want NY to look like a solid prospect again so real coaches {Carslile?} and FAs {Artest?} will take a risk on us.

I want the young guys to play major mins and succeed like they have the last few games.

I want the knicks major money players to play well and get moved while their value is somewhat better than what it is now. i want Marbruy to either be bought out or be traded this summer. i want Zach gone for cap relief, picks, and/or role players.

I want Jamal, nate, Lee, balkman and Curry to be the elements we build around and not to be traded away foolishly.

And yes, i want the to go on a wining streak and bring the fun, pride and momentum back to the garden.

And no, I dont think tanking is ever the answer. no I dont think losing is ever good for a team. no I dont think rose or Gordon or mayo are franchise players or the answer to this teams problems. and no I dont want to see isiah remain as coach but Im willing to see what he can do as Gm through the summer.

has this been clear enough for you or will you ask me these same questions yet again in another week?


I can respect that answer but is it more beneficial for the future of the franchise (the present sucks) to win 30 games or get a top 3 pick? And why are you willing to see what Isiah can do this summer when the past 4 years he has been nothing short of a disaster?
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Post#24 » by fimslim3 » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:45 pm

Knicks don't have a franchise player on the team, the only way to get one is to draft one, the lower the pick the better.
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Post#25 » by NoLayupRule » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:46 pm

fimslim3 wrote:Add to this scenario, Dolan hands Isiah Thomas an extension after a 34 win season.
how many more qualifications are you gonna add?

Id expect this kind of embarrassing thing from you. You realize that Isah cant be given an extension right? he was already extended braniac. You might as well add that we extend Marbury and offer James a max deal while you are at it. :roll:
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Post#26 » by Fury » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:48 pm

34-48 should get you higher than the 9th pick. More like around 5 or so. I'm good with that if they play competitive ball and finish 34-48. There's no LeBron or Oden. Greene or Jordan might still be there.
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Post#27 » by truth serum » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:51 pm

Of course I want Derrick Rose. Who doesn't. But I'd also be very happy if we drafted DeAndre Jordan and traded Eddy Curry this summer. That would be an excellent off season to me.
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Post#28 » by Slimpack » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:51 pm

fimslim3 wrote:The Knicks are currently on a three game winning streak, would you rather see the Knicks be competitive throughout the rest of the season and end 34-48 and make Isiah smirk a bit as he said he improved the team from last season and land the 9th pick. On this note the Heat pick up the 2nd pick (Wolves land top pick) drafting Derrick Rose for a Rose/Wade/Davis/Haslem/Shaq lineup.

Or would you rather see the Knicks continue to lose every game, end up with the second pick overall, Timberwolves landing the top pick.


Why are you asking certain people to respond?
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Post#29 » by fimslim3 » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:52 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

how many more qualifications are you gonna add?

Id expect this kind of embarrassing thing from you. You realize that Isah cant be given an extension right? he was already extended braniac. You might as well add that we extend Marbury and offer James a max deal while you are at it. :roll:


Players are limited to certain extensions per the CBA rules, BRAINIAC. A coach's contract can be extended to add on to his current deal. Just admit you have a love affair with Isiah Thomas, you will never call him out. You love Eddy Curry and Jerome James. Recall the 50 win prediction NLR when we won 23 games? Two games short of my prediction. Last season it was 41 wins. This season, you couldn't handle the heat. The Knicks NEED to hit rock bottom, we shouldn't settle on mediocrity.

And NLR, I know how much you love mediocrity.
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Post#30 » by knicks742 » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:52 pm

At The Mecca wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



That was actually a pretty good analogy. Only thing is, it's not that serious. This is basketball we're talking about....not War and the general well being of Americans. If we're talking about the well being of Knick fans and this franchise in general....then getting the top pick, or even a top 3-5 pick this year would make up for all the losing without a doubt. Unless this team has something in them we have yet to see....where they can make some historic run and actually become a good team (insert joke here)......then snatching a franchise player in the draft is the only real way to turn this thing around. You don't have to root against the team....but there's no way you can be that upset about them sucking this year and landing a guy like Derrick Rose. No way.


I was being a little dramatic.

Here is my point. It is clear this season that this team is not good enough to win consistently. I enjoy the wins because it is nice to win and I am indifferent to the losing because we have our own pick. It is comical to me that so many of the people that say we suck actually seem to be terrified that perhaps we don't and for the next 40 something games we can actually have a decent record (we have to go 22-22) to get to 34 wins.

Here is my deal. I know we have big holes. This team is not good enough to go .500 for the rest of the season, 3 game winning streak notwithstanding (we won 6 games in a row when we won 23 games). I predict we will be safely picking top 5 in the lottery whether we are trying to win or not. So I will enjoy every win for the rest of the season and continue to be indifferent to every loss.
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Post#31 » by Fury » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:53 pm

He's not getting extended again. Stop making **** up.
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Post#32 » by fimslim3 » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:53 pm

At The Mecca wrote:Of course I want Derrick Rose. Who doesn't. But I'd also be very happy if we drafted DeAndre Jordan and traded Eddy Curry this summer. That would be an excellent off season to me.


I think Seattle will draft DeAndre Jordan if they can.
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Post#33 » by Fury » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:54 pm

They want Derrick Rose.
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Post#34 » by cmaff051 » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:55 pm

Fury wrote:He's not getting extended again. Stop making **** up.


Um... how do you know? You realize Dolan extended Isiah in the midst of a .500 stretch, right?
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Post#35 » by fimslim3 » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:56 pm

Fury wrote:They want Derrick Rose.


When they already have Delonte West, Luke Ridnour, and Earl Watson.
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Post#36 » by Fury » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:56 pm

He just extended him last year. You don't extend people a year after you extended them.
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Post#37 » by Fury » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:56 pm

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When they already have Delonte West, Luke Ridnour, and Earl Watson.


They're trying to trade them. You can look it up. Their GM or President likes Derrick Rose.
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Post#38 » by fimslim3 » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:58 pm

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They're trying to trade them. You can look it up. Their GM or President likes Derrick Rose.


Where were they trying to trade them, maybe you should tell me. And anything off of hoopshype or Peter "I make up random rumors" Vescey is pure garbage.
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Post#39 » by truth serum » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:59 pm

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I think Seattle will draft DeAndre Jordan if they can.


Yeah you're probably right. He'd make a nice pairing with Durant. I wonder if they have interest in Beasley too? They'll definitely have a good shot at him. Would they want two offensive guys like that to build around? It would be the perfect inside out combo. I think they may have plans of making Durant a PF at some point though which I don't think they should do....but that would probably steer them away from Beasley.

Either way, I think Rose is going to be the #1 pick. Teams see how quickly a great point guard like Chris Paul has turned around that franchise. If you look around at all the young players in the league like Durant or Oden....even teams like Miami with Wade.....all of them would love to have a PG like Rose to get these guys the ball.
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Post#40 » by fimslim3 » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:00 pm

Fury wrote:He just extended him last year. You don't extend people a year after you extended them.


I haven't seen Dolan even showing an effort in caring about letting go Isiah Thomas. He hasn't even said a word to him all season and mentioned he has no plans to get rid of him. If anything, he'll just resign him after his contract is up.

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