Knicks Core vs. Nets Core

[2010]

It's the NETS in EVERY aspect (assuming they get that Brooklyn Atlantic Yards Arena). Anyone who claims our core players are better than the Nets core are delusional.

Must I break it down player by player?

Please do that for me, and if we go Arena vs Arena too, it's no contest. I don't buy anyone saying Brook>>>>Lee after this preseason, no chance. Upside, Gallo and Hill trump all.

For starters, do you realize every one of our core players is a TWEENER while the Nets core players have a definitive position? We constantly must try to fit square pegs in round holes with our roster. The Nets can just plug players in and go (especially around Lebron). The Nets have a real center and a nice scoring PG. Doesn't matter that he isn't pass-first because Lebron's passing enables him to play point-forward allowing Harris to function ala Tony Parker in San Antonia as a scoring guard penetrating to the hole.

[j4remi]

If those guys played 10 times, our young core would smoke them 7 to 8 out of 10.

Indeed. Devin Harris is so overrated it makes me sick. I'm kind of amped to see how this team looks without Vince Carter because he was so underrated. VC was the leader and superior player imho all along. Brook to me is not better than Lee, I'm sorry. Even with Brook being far and away the better defensive player...Lee is the more effective, less mechanical player. Lopez is what he is.

[K_ick_God]

Brook Lopez is not that good. Devin Harris is really overrated. I like Courtney Lee a lot though. T-Will is interesting but has a ways to go. The Nets' two headliners though, Harris and Brook, are really not that good. Darko neutralizes Brook and if you collapse on him, he looks bad.

Devin is really overrated though - a non-pure PG who shoots a low %. Yuck.

[Capn'O]

It's the NETS in EVERY aspect (assuming they get that Brooklyn Atlantic Yards Arena). Anyone who claims our core players are better than the Nets core are delusional.

Must I break it down player by player?

No fair. They got a head start in the whole rebuilding thing...



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Join the dark side, LeBron!

[RutgersBJJ]

Nate = Harris

How dare you say that!? Harris is a way better ballplayer. Every GM in the NBA would trade Nate for Harris in a nano-second.

I will take the selfish-scorer that is the far better shooter, over the other selfish scorer. And every single GM in the league may choose Harris over Nate if that was just the choice. But you are comparing two players who make a completely different salary while attributing the same contributions to a game. Truth is I wouldn't want either on my team as a top option, but if I have to choose, I am taking Nate at 5 mil a year over harris at 9 mil a year.

Devon Harris is a complimentary player on a bad team that allows him to inflate his stats. Watch the Nets play more, and you will see why they were so bad last year. It was because Harris decided to hog the ball instead of letting Vince take over and actually win games. Vince ran the point last year because Harris cannot actually run an offense. He puts up the same illusion of grandeur that Danny Granger does. Bad teams, big stats, no wins.

[StutterStep]

If those guys played 10 times, our young core would smoke them 7 to 8 out of 10.

Indeed. Devin Harris is so overrated it makes me sick. I'm kind of amped to see how this team looks without Vince Carter because he was so underrated. VC was the leader and superior player imho all along. Brook to me is not better than Lee, I'm sorry. Even with Brook being far and away the better defensive player...Lee is the more effective, less mechanical player. Lopez is what he is.

When people say Harris is better than Nate, I stop listening. Seriously, remember how scrubby he was in Dallas when he wasn't allowed to shoot but asked to really run the point. Let Nate shoot and he gives you 17 OFF THE BENCH.

[KG_Wolves]

nate = Harris

I love Nate but this is a ridiculous statement.

[!nstinct]

They have a better core than us, without a doubt. But, our future looks brighter than theirs - as a whole. If we want to talk about stadiums, we are always going to win. Regardless of how fancy your stadium look, it will never be better and bigger than MSG. As far as owners, I would take New York. I want to work for the guy who is willing to spend money, even on the worse player(J. James). Besides, Jay-Z is a very small owner of the Nets. Jay-Z talk more about the Knicks in his rap songs than he does about the Nets.

I dont know, I would pick the Knicks. The Nets history doesn't speak much for itself. I would rather be called "The best thing since P. Ewing" instead of "The best thing since V. Carter" lol.

[StutterStep]

Brook Lopez is not that good. Devin Harris is really overrated. I like Courtney Lee a lot though. T-Will is interesting but has a ways to go. The Nets' two headliners though, Harris and Brook, are really not that good. Darko neutralizes Brook and if you collapse on him, he looks bad.

Devin is really overrated though - a non-pure PG who shoots a low %. Yuck.

+1 I missed most the game but I know Lopez can't defend Lee out to 15 and Lee always run circles around him.

[j4remi]

It's the NETS in EVERY aspect (assuming they get that Brooklyn Atlantic Yards Arena). Anyone who claims our core players are better than the Nets core are delusional.

Must I break it down player by player?

Please do that for me, and if we go Arena vs Arena too, it's no contest. I don't buy anyone saying Brook>>>>Lee after this preseason, no chance. Upside, Gallo and Hill trump all.

For starters, do you realize every one of our core players is a TWEENER while the Nets core players have a definitive position? We constantly must try to fit square pegs in round holes with our roster. The Nets can just plug players in and go (especially around Lebron). The Nets have a real center and a nice scoring PG. Doesn't matter that he isn't pass-first because Lebron's passing enables him to play point-forward allowing Harris to function ala Tony Parker in San Antonia as a scoring guard penetrating to the hole.

Harris doesn't have a J at all, needs the ball to be effective, and doesn't have the inside presence that helps both TP and Manu out so much. He's not as a good a passer either and he's an equally poor defender.

Brook is mechanical, hasn't shown me any kind of improvement this preseason and still is too thin. He is a true C, but we run the SSOL where a true C is less important than athletic bigs who run the floor and have range. This is the issue with calling "tweener" at the Knicks.

Lee is the best fit with Lebron, Courtney Lee I mean on the Nets. The rest of their youth have poor range and need the ball to be effective. The Knicks have Lee who now has a fifteen footer, Gallo who has infinite range, Chandler who does a little of everything, Hill who with bulk can be a C in this system and TD who gives defensive tenacity and finally showed hints of that jumper people mentioned from his college days. This isn't cut and dry at all.

And Worldwide Wes was at camp last year and also linked to multiple draft picks by Zeke...his connection goes beyond that EC BS excuse.

[TKF]

he doesn't own 10% of the Nets. He owns 1.8%

Jay-z is irrelevant.

Brook Lopez is slightly better than David Lee
nate = Harris

everything else the Knicks have better. better team, they actually have a real NBA coach, not a coach that won't even be able to coach in the Atlantic 10 conference after he is fired by the Nets, and they have an owner who actually spends money.


*edit* LOL I was wrong, sorry guys. Jay-z only owns 1.3% not 1.8%. My bad. Jay-z isn't even allowd input on what toilet paper they should have in the ownership boxes.

I am glad you mentioned that. I hate the way they try to imply these entertainers "own" part of the team. I guess it is the same way, I am part owner of Microsoft with my shares of stock..

Usher, nelly, LOL.. I mean please. None of these guys own enough of any franchise to even get a free box of popcorn at the games..

[Shemy]

he doesn't own 10% of the Nets. He owns 1.8%

Jay-z is irrelevant.

Brook Lopez is slightly better than David Lee
nate = Harris

everything else the Knicks have better. better team, they actually have a real NBA coach, not a coach that won't even be able to coach in the Atlantic 10 conference after he is fired by the Nets, and they have an owner who actually spends money.


*edit* LOL I was wrong, sorry guys. Jay-z only owns 1.3% not 1.8%. My bad. Jay-z isn't even allowd input on what toilet paper they should have in the ownership boxes.

I am glad you mentioned that. I hate the way they try to imply these entertainers "own" part of the team. I guess it is the same way, I am part owner of Microsoft with my shares of stock..

Usher, nelly, LOL.. I mean please. None of these guys own enough of any franchise to even get a free box of popcorn at the games..

im sigging that

[j4remi]

Stutter and RutgersBJJ doing work right now.

[HighRyzer83]

They have a better core than us, without a doubt...

Are you sure you know what "without a doubt" means

[TKF]

They have a better core than us, without a doubt. But, our future looks brighter than theirs - as a whole. If we want to talk about stadiums, we are always going to win. Regardless of how fancy your stadium look, it will never be better and bigger than MSG. As far as owners, I would take New York. I want to work for the guy who is willing to spend money, even on the worse player(J. James). Besides, Jay-Z is a very small owner of the Nets. Jay-Z talk more about the Knicks in his rap songs than he does about the Nets.

I dont know, I would pick the Knicks. The Nets history doesn't speak much for itself. I would rather be called "The best thing since P. Ewing" instead of "The best thing since V. Carter" lol.

how is their core better "without a doubt"? I am curios..

[RutgersBJJ]

I meant shooter, btw guys. I'm sure 2010 is about to quote me and respond. The first sentence is supposed to say I will take the selfish scorer who is the far better shooter over the other selfish scorer.

I don't get why you guys have to be so pessimistic about our players. It is pretty obvious what Devon Harris is, and what he is not. He is a scoring pg, one who does not shoot particularly well. His entire game is based off of acting like a bitch and getting to the FT line. Brook Lopez is supremely talented on the offensive end, but I do not see the rebounding I would expect from a franchise level big, and his defense is lacking.

The big issue of course is the fact that nate and or Lee are most-likely not on our team next year. That would of course make the Nets young core better than ours by default.

[ezmoney707]

Stutter and RutgersBJJ doing work right now.

[j4remi]

I meant shooter, btw guys. I'm sure 2010 is about to quote me and respond. The first sentence is supposed to say I will take the selfish scorer who is the far better shooter over the other selfish scorer.

I don't get why you guys have to be so pessimistic about our players. It is pretty obvious what Devon Harris is, and what he is not. He is a scoring pg, one who does not shoot particularly well. His entire game is based off of acting like a bitch and getting to the FT line. Brook Lopez is supremely talented on the offensive end, but I do not see the rebounding I would expect from a franchise level big, and his defense is lacking.

The big issue of course is the fact that nate and or Lee are most-likely not on our team next year. That would of course make the Nets young core better than ours by default.

I could picture Lee back with us after we first get Bron and especially if we move Jeffries (seems feasible now) and don't get Bosh or Stat.

[StutterStep]

how is their core better "without a doubt"? I am curios..

People love the "sexy" names that the media favor...but no one has address my point that our core would smoke theirs 7 to 8 out of 10 times.

[K_ick_God]

Brook Lopez is not that good. Devin Harris is really overrated. I like Courtney Lee a lot though. T-Will is interesting but has a ways to go. The Nets' two headliners though, Harris and Brook, are really not that good. Darko neutralizes Brook and if you collapse on him, he looks bad.

Devin is really overrated though - a non-pure PG who shoots a low %. Yuck.

+1 I missed most the game but I know Lopez can't defend Lee out to 15 and Lee always run circles around him.

Yea I don't even think Brook is agile enough defensively to be more than good defender. He doesn't look like he will ever be a great defender. Jordan Hill's help D and protecting the rim can be as good as Brook at less height because he is more mobile.

As far as offense, he's a good competent player but he does not have an unlimited ceiling on offense either. He's not quick enough for that. These comparisons to a great center are silly. He's closer to Luc Longley than he is Tim Duncan. Bigger is not always better.

It's pretty simple minded to see Devin and Brook as some great core. Neither player looks special. Competent players yes. But not rare talents who form the foundation of a title team without MAJOR help (i.e., LeBron and even then, probably still short of a title just like the Cavs).

The Knicks' guys have their flaws but I think they're more dynamic and versatile talents.