All Lin talk here

[Tron Carter]

Can I just chime in here? If Goran Dragic and Kyle Lowry could not put up those numbers with better talent around them in the same system what makes you think Lin will?

[E86]

Can I just chime in here? If Goran Dragic and Kyle Lowry could not put up those numbers with better talent around them in the same system what makes you think Lin will?

Because apparently Lin is the next Oscar Robertson.

[GettinitDone]

It's not based on opinion it's based on Linsanity lust. Lin will not average 22 points, 9 assist and 2 steals a game with only 3 turnovers a game. THOSE ARE CP3 numbers.

Are you going to sit here ad tell me Lin will have a better season next year then CP3 did this past? You've lost all touch with reality.

Can I just chime in here? If Goran Dragic and Kyle Lowry could not put up those numbers with better talent around them in the same system what makes you think Lin will?

Because it's Lin's BLOODY rookie year, compared to Goran's 4th and Kyle's 6th years. Wait a sec, you mean the rook's stats are comparable to the 4th and 6th year players'? Who is this rookie?


I'm guessing you would say back in 2006 Deron Williams would be a role player his whole life because he averaged 10ppg and 4apg in his rookie year.

I'm guessing you'd think back in 2007 Rondo would be a role player his whole career because he averaged 6ppg and 3apg in his rookie year.

I'm guessing you'd say that after his 4th year in L, having never averaged more than 9ppg and 5apg, Steve Nash is a natural born role player.


Because it's ALL what you are projecting of a player, based on their PAST, based on the numbers/ stats, on what's tangible. But what is also tangible (beyond the numbers) is their game, the way they make certain difficult plays look effortless/ easy sometimes, the way they embrace challenges/ tight moments, the speed, the game IQ, the athleticism, the clutch factor, these are the things you can project into the future that numbers can't.

If you look at numbers alone to value a player's future worth, I guess you'd have already traded Deron/ Rondo/ Nash after their first year(s) if you were the Jazz/ Celtics/ Mavs GMs... thinking, "let's shop for a better PG... oh Billups (in 2006) is better than Deron... Hinrich (in 2007) is better than Rondo... or Bibby (in 2000) is better than Nash. I better get rid of these young guns and start getting the proven vets!!!"

It is why only the few can see beyond numbers/ problems and see the values inside of them, e.g. Ujiri traded the "mature/ experienced" Nene for "headcase" McGee. Wizards fans thought they got a steal, but what they are finding out now is Nene gives you 20 and 8 one night but ALWAYS (having followed Nuggets, I guarantee) disappears in big games, especially on the road, especially in playoffs... and never in a million years would Nene put a 16pts, 15 rebounds performance like McGee put in Game 3 vs. Lakers, or the 21 and 14 in Game 5.

Look for opportunity in problems. If a guy shows he has undeniable talent and skill, you have to dig deeper. So the turnovers faze you? The best of the best (Deron: 4.0 TPG, Nash: 3.7 TPG, Rondo: 3.6 TPG, Westbrick: 3.6 TPG) averaged more turnovers than Lin. The fact that he was burdened to run the offense, learning/ getting experience on the fly as "rookie", playing 40mpg as "rookie", in world's toughest arena to play, world's toughest fanbase to play for... 3.6 TPG is pretty **** healthy. Can't go left? Larry Bird couldn't go left, but he kept working and became one of the best left hand finishers. Lin is a gym rat. All gym rats with talent NEVER disappoint!! Ben Wallace had no talent but he was a gym rat, kept working and it paid off big time. Another gym rat to watch is this kid Damian Lillard. Kid works like crazy and got very strong. Sign me up for any gym rat, they have only one agenda: to get better (no time for parties, women, alcohol, drugs, or the stuff that prove to be downfall of so many disappointing talented players)... for Lin he pushed it to another level (no time for endorsements). Lin has talent, and is a gym rat?? This should say more than plenty. Absolute brilliant/ safe stock we did not keep.

[makeitstop]

Hoo boy.

[Thugger HBC]

Why compare Lin to others?

Compare to their impact.

Do the Rockets make the playoffs next season?

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[Tron Carter]

It might have been Goran Dragic 4th year but it was his first true opportunity in a starting role and not as a backup. He's a better shooter, more crafty, better finisher, and has better ball control then Lin. If didn't put up those ridiculous all-star numbers again I ask you, how will Lin fair with even less talent.

Same goes for Lowry who was only in his SECOND year as a starter before he got injured.

These little essays are cute but they are pointless. The problem with your argument is that Lin's numbers are grossly inflated because of the system he was in. As soon as Pringles was fired he put up respectable but not spectacular numbers. This was with options such as Carmelo, Amare, Chandler , and Novak. You're projections are based on the fact tha your lust for Lin doesn't know the meaning of reality.

[GettinitDone]

Don't see them making playoffs unless they get a consistent contributor out of the 3 rookies (White, Lamb, Jones)... and if Kevin Martin stays healthy... Asik is an elite defender, but he is probably worse offensively than Jeffries, have virtually no inside scoring.

But the Knicks did win 7 straight without Melo and Amare with one of the least talented bunch at the time of Linsanity. It really depends on a lot of factors, a player who can do consistent pick and roll play chemistry with Lin can be huge. I do think KMart will get lots of kickout passes from Lin. I think they finish with 30-35 wins. Long shot.

[Tron Carter]

Asik is an ELITE defender?

Alright

[Quick Kick]

Can I just chime in here? If Goran Dragic and Kyle Lowry could not put up those numbers with better talent around them in the same system what makes you think Lin will?

Because apparently Lin is the next Oscar Robertson.

22, 9, and 4 are future HOF numbers these fanboys are off their rockers, bro

[GettinitDone]

It might have been Goran Dragic 4th year but it was his first true opportunity in a starting role and not as a backup. He's a better shooter, more crafty, better finisher, and has better ball control then Lin. If didn't put up those ridiculous all-star numbers again I ask you, how will Lin fair with even less talent.

Same goes for Lowry who was only in his SECOND year as a starter before he got injured.

These little essays are cute but they are pointless. The problem with your argument is that Lin's numbers are grossly inflated because of the system he was in. As soon as Pringles was fired he put up respectable but not spectacular numbers. This was with options such as Carmelo, Amare, Chandler , and Novak. You're projections are based on the fact tha your lust for Lin doesn't know the meaning of reality.

Do you always compare rookies with those who have more than a few years experience (bench or starter), saying the latter are always superior than the former? You didn't get my point. You're ready to put a promising rookie under the bus because he doesn't perform as well as the guys who have been in the L for a few years. It's ridiculous. Like I said, if you're the GMs of those Jazz/ Celtics teams, you would have traded Deron/ Rondo after their rook years because you can't envision the player's growth beyond what their numbers gave you.

Dragic put 23 pts in 4th quarter in playoffs in his second year but why did the Suns trade him for a player (Brooks) they did not even retain? Because he did not improve in his third year, an impossible result if you're a gym rat like Lin, and had an attitude problem toward certain teammates that Lin never has.

Stop with this inflated numbers non-sense. Steve Nash put the same stats he did under Gentry as he did under MDA. Lin's numbers dropped as soon as Melo came back, which is not an attack to him, just a testament to Lin's willingness to defer and how smooth he made the transition from the lead player to supporting player where the same reduced role would make many veterans frustrated. Lin couldn't have handled the transition better... he made those football passes to Melo, giving Melo ball on his sweet spots on isos, basically getting out of Melo's way while still running the team. He still has the clutch Sixers/ Pacers games.

You want "spectacular" numbers from a rookie lol You sir are the one out of touch for reality or you're simply spoiled by the spectacular fireworks numbers of Linsanity and expecting the rookie to keep it up. You're in the group that's glad the rookie is gone, now he's gone, and we'll see if Felton can really replace the unspectacular rookie.

He's a god damn rookie ROOKIE!!! "Rookie better average 25pts & 8assists or we want him gone" sigh smfh lol

[Tron Carter]

Lol, didn't read.

Just admit that you're believe Lin will be the best point GAURD in the league next year. Stop writing love letters professing your love for him and just go straight to the bottom line.

[Thugger HBC]

Don't see them making playoffs unless they get a consistent contributor out of the 3 rookies (White, Lamb, Jones)... and if Kevin Martin stays healthy... Asik is an elite defender, but he is probably worse offensively than Jeffries, have virtually no inside scoring.

But the Knicks did win 7 straight without Melo and Amare with one of the least talented bunch at the time of Linsanity. It really depends on a lot of factors, a player who can do consistent pick and roll play chemistry with Lin can be huge. I do think KMart will get lots of kickout passes from Lin. I think they finish with 30-35 wins. Long shot.

How will Lin play like a superstar and the Rockets win 30 games?

Can't say I've seen that before.

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[gamer4Life]

22, 9, and 4 are future HOF numbers these fanboys are off their rockers, bro

Not everyone who likes Lin feels he'll come anywhere close to that. Having said that, there is a possibility, however remote that may be.

[Tron Carter]

Don't even try and reason with him just remember the numbers:

22 ppg, 9 apg, 4 rpg, and 2 spg.

[GettinitDone]

Asik is an ELITE defender?

Alright

Don't have direct link, but...

http://www.nba.com/rockets/video/originals

Scroll down and click on four links that say:
- Omer Asik: Pick and Roll Defense...
- Omer Asik: Defending the Pick and...
- Omer Asik: Post Defense
- Omer Asik: Defending Isolations


Those are the best defense I've seen from a player his size, height and bulk. His footwork, agility, mobility, awareness, and anticipation are elite level.

[bandwagonKnick]

These little essays are cute but they are pointless. The problem with your argument is that Lin's numbers are grossly inflated because of the system he was in. As soon as Pringles was fired he put up respectable but not spectacular numbers. This was with options such as Carmelo, Amare, Chandler , and Novak. You're projections are based on the fact tha your lust for Lin doesn't know the meaning of reality.

You're wrong on so many points with your "cute" but misguided rebuttals.
- Lowry and Dragic were in the SAME "grossly overinflating" system Lin was in. Mchale's system is the closest you'll get to a D'antoni system in the league.
- When Lin had all those options available to him after Pringles was fired, he LED his team to a 7-1 record before his injury. While having the most ppg, apg, and spg during that period.
- His "projections" that he will improve after essentially his rookie year based on available stats and eyeball judgement of intangibles isn't fantasy. It's called... projections.

The fact that you respond to a man who makes good points with "that's a cute essay but he still ain't nothing" tells me everything I need to know about your opinion making ability or your open-mindedness.

And why do you hold him playing well AGAINST him?? You say dismissively "if he didn't put up ridiculous all-star numbers, how will he fair?" Well, he DID. Why do you knock him for that? Why are you butthurt over that. Lin played well last year, you don't have to dismiss it as fluke just because it doesn't fit your sensibilities. But he can play better. He probably will. Maybe not next year, cuz he doesn't have the pieces we do to make noise in the league next year. But maybe he will. Time will tell. Until then, don't hate on what many saw as a young energetic promising PG who plays the game the "right" way. If you don't agree, you don't agree. Don't knock the man down after he does good work for our team.

[bandwagonKnick]

Asik is an ELITE defender?

Alright

Once again, don't knock someone if you don't know what you're talking about. You may be unfairly portraying yourself as either ignorant or a hater.

The reason why many of us are upset is because we thought Lin could be the missing piece we were desperately looking for last year who could take us over the hump and put the great pieces together.
We have great pieces in Melo (a top 10 talent), in Amare (defense withstanding), Tyson, Shump (if his offense gets better - can we "project" that?), Novak (if utilized correctly). I though with LIn (or Nash), we could have realistically contended this year for the championship. That's why I am upset. Maybe Felton will bring it this year, maybe Kidd could be that guy for the last time, but I personally thought Lin gave us more of a chance. AND it gave a lot of us a future to look forward to in Lin and Shump.

Asik is an elite defender. His offense is tantamount to a 7 foot Jared, though. We'll see if they can win some games next year.

[bandwagonKnick]

Don't see them making playoffs unless they get a consistent contributor out of the 3 rookies (White, Lamb, Jones)... and if Kevin Martin stays healthy... Asik is an elite defender, but he is probably worse offensively than Jeffries, have virtually no inside scoring.

But the Knicks did win 7 straight without Melo and Amare with one of the least talented bunch at the time of Linsanity. It really depends on a lot of factors, a player who can do consistent pick and roll play chemistry with Lin can be huge. I do think KMart will get lots of kickout passes from Lin. I think they finish with 30-35 wins. Long shot.

How will Lin play like a superstar and the Rockets win 30 games?

Can't say I've seen that before.

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You mean like DWill? Or Kyrie?

[Quick Kick]

This dude is riding HARD for that clumsy oaf

Cant wait to necromance your posts when hes getting ripped to pieces by real NBA PGs who have been playing at an elite level for years. #bookmarked

[bandwagonKnick]

Don't even try and reason with him just remember the numbers:

22 ppg, 9 apg, 4 rpg, and 2 spg.

Where do you see him? I'm curious what you think of his game.

I'd say more like 16 ppg, 8 apg, 4pg, and 2 spg, but with great intangibles.
Projecting 30-35 wins for Houston.

As for the Knicks, I'm projecting a 55 win season.
Felton: 12ppg, 6apg, 3 rpg, 1spg, close enough to Lin numbers but without the intangibles, which is key.