Around the NBA part 2

[knicksnyk]

Felton has played the most minutes of any Knick, and he has the worst Def xRAPM:

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/teams/NYK.html

But second to Melo on the offensive side using that material? Gotta trust your eyes sometimes.

Melo 497 FGA Felton 467 FGA
Felton is second to melo in FGA so really are you surprised by that

[knicksnyk]

Honestly guys, I'm bored with the Lin debate...I really didn't like how the Rockets utilized him but I think he's begun to adjust and will improve. I'm disappointed in a few things about his development but you know what, he was injured for a lot of his offseason so I can't expect broad improvements in weak areas of his game (I want him to improve his jumper's consistency and left handed drives, he's still visibly slower going left).

His left handed drives & him being visibly slower has more to do with his legs than his phsyical hand. When he goes right leg he plants off of is likely more stronger than the foot he plants off of when he goes right.

also he doesn't need to be amazing going left he just needs to be able to do it (which he has been able to for some time) notice teams aren't sagging on his right as much anymore & also because he already really hard to stop going right. plus harden is left dominant no mchale would be smart to plant them at the wings on the inverse of there dominant hand. dantoni/woodson did this with Lin & melo last year

[Thugger HBC]

Felton has played the most minutes of any Knick, and he has the worst Def xRAPM:

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/teams/NYK.html

But second to Melo on the offensive side using that material? Gotta trust your eyes sometimes.

Melo 497 FGA Felton 467 FGA
Felton is second to melo in FGA so really are you surprised by that

Of course I would because my eyes see who has been the second in our offense and it surely aint Felton regardless of attempts.

[knicksnyk]

Of course I would because my eyes see who has been the second in our offense and it surely aint Felton regardless of attempts.

Please enlighten me who is it then?

And this deviates from my main point that Rays D has been abysmal. Both by stats & eye test.

[21shumpshumpst]

Honestly guys, I'm bored with the Lin debate...I really didn't like how the Rockets utilized him but I think he's begun to adjust and will improve. I'm disappointed in a few things about his development but you know what, he was injured for a lot of his offseason so I can't expect broad improvements in weak areas of his game (I want him to improve his jumper's consistency and left handed drives, he's still visibly slower going left).

His left handed drives & him being visibly slower has more to do with his legs than his phsyical hand. When he goes right leg he plants off of is likely more stronger than the foot he plants off of when he goes right.

also he doesn't need to be amazing going left he just needs to be able to do it (which he has been able to for some time) notice teams aren't sagging on his right as much anymore & also because he already really hard to stop going right. plus harden is left dominant no mchale would be smart to plant them at the wings on the inverse of there dominant hand. dantoni/woodson did this with Lin & melo last year

You are not a knicks fan change your username. You never post on gamethreads or any other thread as a matter of fact.

Just talk about Lin. Here is an idea.

[Thugger HBC]

Of course I would because my eyes see who has been the second in our offense and it surely aint Felton regardless of attempts.

Please enlighten me who is it then?

And this deviates from my main point that Rays D has been abysmal. Both by stats & eye test.

Just watch the games.

[JustaKnickFan]

You call this proof? TD got lit up as soon he was put in in place of Lin. Try looking at some facts instead of using such useless proof. Lin is an average defender or slightly above average defender based on stats and eye test. Certainly not a terrible defender. If you want to look at a terrible defender look at Kyrie Irving, Steve Nash, or D. Will.

This is even funnier due to the downright abysmal defense that Felton has played. Getting torched by scrub PGs all the time. Defensive rating of 109.... Disgusting to watch him chuck shots and get burned on defense.

Felton's defense isn't abysmal. Do you watch Knicks games? It's our bad transition D and PnR D that allows PGs to go off on us, not bad D by Felton.

Felton has played the most minutes of any Knick, and he has the worst Def xRAPM:

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/teams/NYK.html

First, what kind of stat is Def xRAPM? It seems pretty flawed if KT is one of the best when it comes to that.

Second, you need to watch the games, Felton might get beat off the dribble a few times every game, but most of the time he won't, and he contests shots and plays off ball well, helping/rotating when necessary.

[Falstaffxx]

Honestly guys, I'm bored with the Lin debate...I really didn't like how the Rockets utilized him but I think he's begun to adjust and will improve. I'm disappointed in a few things about his development but you know what, he was injured for a lot of his offseason so I can't expect broad improvements in weak areas of his game (I want him to improve his jumper's consistency and left handed drives, he's still visibly slower going left).

His left handed drives & him being visibly slower has more to do with his legs than his phsyical hand. When he goes right leg he plants off of is likely more stronger than the foot he plants off of when he goes right.

also he doesn't need to be amazing going left he just needs to be able to do it (which he has been able to for some time) notice teams aren't sagging on his right as much anymore & also because he already really hard to stop going right. plus harden is left dominant no mchale would be smart to plant them at the wings on the inverse of there dominant hand. dantoni/woodson did this with Lin & melo last year

You are not a knicks fan change your username. You never post on gamethreads or any other thread as a matter of fact.

Just talk about Lin. Here is an idea.

You love accusing people of not being Knicks fans.

[21shumpshumpst]

His left handed drives & him being visibly slower has more to do with his legs than his phsyical hand. When he goes right leg he plants off of is likely more stronger than the foot he plants off of when he goes right.

also he doesn't need to be amazing going left he just needs to be able to do it (which he has been able to for some time) notice teams aren't sagging on his right as much anymore & also because he already really hard to stop going right. plus harden is left dominant no mchale would be smart to plant them at the wings on the inverse of there dominant hand. dantoni/woodson did this with Lin & melo last year

You are not a knicks fan change your username. You never post on gamethreads or any other thread as a matter of fact.

Just talk about Lin. Here is an idea.

You love accusing people of not being Knicks fans.

Only the obvious ones.

[21shumpshumpst]

Where do people get this crap? "Terrible defense?" The entire season Lin's been near elite in defense for his position, if you care to check Synergy and advanced stats or watching games instead of parroting a bunch of bs.

His turnovers are also a non-issue now as he's learned to protect the ball more, if anything his teammate Harden is the bigger TO problem this season for the Rockets.

Lin started the season terribly shooting-wise but since the first game vs NY and as his knee fully recovered he's been really good.

He's shooting over 50% the last 16 games since then and averaging close to 7 assists per game while splitting PG duties with Harden. If he had the same usage rate as other PGs he'd be averaging double digit assists.

Since his 22 and 8 against NY:

18 and 6 against Philly
15 and 11 against Memphis
20 and 11 against Bulls
He also put up 21 and 8 tonight with 4 steals vs SAS.

I'm sure he's going to be out of the league soon....

It's not worth trying to debate these trolls. You can provide whatever stats you want to show them they don't have a clue, and they will jut respond with Lin "sucks" or he "can't play defense" or is turnover prone just based on their own biases or whatever negative stuff they can remember from last season when they may have actually watched him play. Then they will attack you personally. These are probably 15 year old kids who have socoi-emotional problems- kind of silly to argue with them. Glad there are still some intelligent posters on this board though.

Hey let's use Bill Bradley logic, If Lin was in OKC this season OKC would be a lottery team. Prove me wrong troll. Oh wait you can't right. That is how you do it right?

ROFL at this monkey at least that other troll brings up stats to try to make an argument. You just say "omg you can't prove me wrong since Lin is not in NY". STFU.

[21shumpshumpst]

You love accusing people of not being Knicks fans.

Btw even though I don't like you, I do have to apologize to go. Not too long ago I blamed you for not liking the Melo trade from the beginning and that is why you were on super Lin's jock.

I recently read a lot of that old Melo trade threads (hilarious btw how some people almost committed mass suicide over trading role players for Melo rofl) I was completely wrong. You actually were one of the few who were not emotional about it and wanted Melo here.

[Thugger HBC]

While I personally could give a rats ass what the discussion is in here about NBA players, the name calling should not and cannot be part of the discussion.

Please refrain from this point forward.

[Falstaffxx]

You love accusing people of not being Knicks fans.

Btw even though I don't like you, I do have to apologize to go. Not too long ago I blamed you for not liking the Melo trade from the beginning and that is why you were on super Lin's jock.

I recently read a lot of that old Melo trade threads (hilarious btw how some people almost committed mass suicide over trading role players for Melo rofl) I was completely wrong. You actually were one of the few who were not emotional about it and wanted Melo here.

Yep, I wanted Anthony, I don't lie about my posting history. I have since come to dislike him because he dogged it under D'Antoni - as bad as D'Antoni was, there's no excuse for that - and because I believe he had a part in getting rid of Lin, of whom I'm a big fan. I don't forgive Anthony for last year just because the team is doing well this year. If anything, this year is just further proof to me of how much he dogged it before.

I was so excited for the season last year, and he stunk it up. He makes $20 million a year, he has an obligation to the fans to put in his best effort even if he doesn't like the coach. The last straw were his little hints about his opinion of Lin, a player who played with tremendous effort last year and gave this team hope. I dislike Anthony and Smith to such an extent that it's hard for me to enjoy the success this year. If this had come last year it would be different - I would have been very excited by it and happy about it.

[Thugger HBC]

You love accusing people of not being Knicks fans.

Btw even though I don't like you, I do have to apologize to go. Not too long ago I blamed you for not liking the Melo trade from the beginning and that is why you were on super Lin's jock.

I recently read a lot of that old Melo trade threads (hilarious btw how some people almost committed mass suicide over trading role players for Melo rofl) I was completely wrong. You actually were one of the few who were not emotional about it and wanted Melo here.

Yep, I wanted Anthony, I don't lie about my posting history. I have since come to dislike him because he dogged it under D'Antoni - as bad as D'Antoni was, there's no excuse for that - and because I believe he had a part in getting rid of Lin, of whom I'm a big fan. I don't forgive Anthony for last year just because the team is doing well this year. If anything, this year is just further proof to me of how much he dogged it before.

I was so excited for the season last year, and he stunk it up. He makes $20 million a year, he has an obligation to the fans to put in his best effort even if he doesn't like the coach. The last straw were his little hints about his opinion of Lin, a player who played with tremendous effort last year and gave this team hope. I dislike Anthony and Smith to such an extent that it's hard for me to enjoy the success this year. If this had come last year it would be different - I would have been very excited by it and happy about it.

I can respect your honesty, but that's sad, my guy.

[Quick Kick]

there is a better way to express this, you know how as well.

-thugger.

[Falstaffxx]

Yep, I wanted Anthony, I don't lie about my posting history. I have since come to dislike him because he dogged it under D'Antoni - as bad as D'Antoni was, there's no excuse for that - and because I believe he had a part in getting rid of Lin, of whom I'm a big fan. I don't forgive Anthony for last year just because the team is doing well this year. If anything, this year is just further proof to me of how much he dogged it before.

I was so excited for the season last year, and he stunk it up. He makes $20 million a year, he has an obligation to the fans to put in his best effort even if he doesn't like the coach. The last straw were his little hints about his opinion of Lin, a player who played with tremendous effort last year and gave this team hope. I dislike Anthony and Smith to such an extent that it's hard for me to enjoy the success this year. If this had come last year it would be different - I would have been very excited by it and happy about it.

I can respect your honesty, but that's sad, my guy.

I've been rooting for this team for 20+ years. I was a little kid crying when they lost to the Rockets in the finals. It is sad that the one year post-Ewing that they finally have a good team, it does very little for me.

[Thugger HBC]

Yep, I wanted Anthony, I don't lie about my posting history. I have since come to dislike him because he dogged it under D'Antoni - as bad as D'Antoni was, there's no excuse for that - and because I believe he had a part in getting rid of Lin, of whom I'm a big fan. I don't forgive Anthony for last year just because the team is doing well this year. If anything, this year is just further proof to me of how much he dogged it before.

I was so excited for the season last year, and he stunk it up. He makes $20 million a year, he has an obligation to the fans to put in his best effort even if he doesn't like the coach. The last straw were his little hints about his opinion of Lin, a player who played with tremendous effort last year and gave this team hope. I dislike Anthony and Smith to such an extent that it's hard for me to enjoy the success this year. If this had come last year it would be different - I would have been very excited by it and happy about it.

I can respect your honesty, but that's sad, my guy.

I've been rooting for this team for 20+ years. I was a little kid crying when they lost to the Rockets in the finals. It is sad that the one year post-Ewing that they finally have a good team, it does very little for me.

Won't dispute that, didn't cry because I was older, but was dissappointed, and I've been a fan for well over 30, but what I pointed was the extend of the position on what happened last year.

That's sad especially when really none of us actually have the fact of WHAT happened, only the perspective of whats reported.

[Quick Kick]

there is a better way to express this, you know how as well.

-thugger.

huh? what did I say that was so wrong?

[Falstaffxx]

Won't dispute that, didn't cry because I was older, but was dissappointed, and I've been a fan for well over 30, but what I pointed was the extend of the position on what happened last year.

That's sad especially when really none of us actually have the fact of WHAT happened, only the perspective of whats reported.

Well, that's what I think happened last year, so that's what my view of him is based on. I may get more enthusiastic about this team if they are playing as well at the end of the year as they are now. At that point I may be able to emotionally differentiate them more from last year's team, if I see them as having their own identity at that point.

I'm looking forward to Shumpert coming back...

By the way, at no point this year have I criticized Anthony's play, as far as I can recall. He's been very good.

[Thugger HBC]

there is a better way to express this, you know how as well.

-thugger.

huh? what did I say that was so wrong?

Pure trouble, and you know it. There's always a better way to have said that.