Time to be honest about Iman Shumpert

[KnicksFan7]

Trades are a part of the business. Deal with it. I'm not in the situation but there will always be rumors. You can't crap the bed every time you hear your name.

This happened last season with him also or it might have been his rookie year. He went into a major slump until the trade deadline passed.

Time to grow up and deal with the times and speculation head on.

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[cammlm]

Getting fired is totally different from getting traded. He still will have a job and make a significant amount of money.

[three2theD]

Trades are a part of the business. Deal with it. I'm not in the situation but there will always be rumors. You can't crap the bed every time you hear your name.

This happened last season with him also or it might have been his rookie year. He went into a major slump until the trade deadline passed.

Time to grow up and deal with the times and speculation head on.

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Agreed, but even when his name wasn't out there in trade rumors it's not like he's ever had a great run in the NBA. He's a three and D guy, nothing special. He had a nice put back dunk and hit three threes against Indy in the playoffs, fine, but he hasn't done nearly enough to warrant the hype.

[MaseInYourFace]

We needed to see Iman take that next step forward and he clearly hasn't thus far. Iman doesn't even look interested in the game anymore since the rumors started floating about him, he clearly has let it effect his game. His stroke on his shot while looking better hasn't produced better percentages yet. I understand that this offense isn't conducive to his game, but I was expecting a better season than this thus far.

How do you play hard for a team that doesn't want you? A team that has now tried to trade you at least 3-4 different times this season. A team that has also shown interest in trading you in the past for guys like Nash, Dudley, Reddick... etc.

Iman has nothing left for the Knicks. He played his heart our for this team whenever he could. Now he just seems defeated. I feel bad for the dude because he loves it here and he loves this team. Yet fans are giving him a raw deal not putting things into perspective. Cant just expect a guy to play to his fullest capabilities when he isn't put in a situation to succeed.

Not only is he not in a position to succeed mentally, but how the **** is he even supposed to take the next step with the roster that is on this team? When there are a bunch of other players that need to get their shots off . Shumperts Job is to play defense on this team and stand in the corners. Not exactly the best recipe for him to take the next step offensively.

i never saw the iman "beginnings" did he have a dad growing up? because he's acting like he has no idea how to be a man, you get up and do you **** job. you don't get to piss and moan like a bitch on her period when you get paid millions of dollars, you do your **** job.

Yup he had a dad. Both parents seemed like they were involved with their kids and good parents.

[MaseInYourFace]

Trades are a part of the business. Deal with it. I'm not in the situation but there will always be rumors. You can't crap the bed every time you hear your name.

This happened last season with him also or it might have been his rookie year. He went into a major slump until the trade deadline passed.

Time to grow up and deal with the times and speculation head on.

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Agreed, but even when his name wasn't out there in trade rumors it's not like he's ever had a great run in the NBA. He's a three and D guy, nothing special. He had a nice put back dunk and hit three threes against Indy in the playoffs, fine, but he hasn't done nearly enough to warrant the hype.

There actually aren't a ton of guys like that so it does have some value...

[gavran]

I said his ceiling was Larry Hughes and boy were people pissed.

Stop making things up. Most of the board thought the same thing.

[Jheri Curl]

Just plant him in the corners and let him shoot 3s. Get out on the break and learn how to finish with a dunk properly. If he can do those two things and learn how to properly play complete defense he'll be fine. Not a star but a good 3 and D role playing wing. I don't see it happening here though.

Don't worry about scoring off the dribble, you can't do it. Maybe once in a while take advantage of open driving lanes. Other than that, do what your good at. Iman and the coaching staff haven't let that happen.

[three2theD]

Trades are a part of the business. Deal with it. I'm not in the situation but there will always be rumors. You can't crap the bed every time you hear your name.

This happened last season with him also or it might have been his rookie year. He went into a major slump until the trade deadline passed.

Time to grow up and deal with the times and speculation head on.

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Agreed, but even when his name wasn't out there in trade rumors it's not like he's ever had a great run in the NBA. He's a three and D guy, nothing special. He had a nice put back dunk and hit three threes against Indy in the playoffs, fine, but he hasn't done nearly enough to warrant the hype.

There actually aren't a ton of guys like that so it does have some value...

I'm not saying he's totally useless, I'm just saying he's not as good as some people act like he is. Right now he's as good as Deshawn Stevenson was on Dallas. Nice role player but very limited. Can he develop into something better? I hope so if he's still on the Knicks, but he is who he is right now.

[thebuzzardman]

He honestly sucks.

But not sure why he can't be Bruce Bowen

[GONYK]

He honestly sucks.

But not sure why he can't be Bruce Bowen

No, he doesn't.

There has to be a line of objectivity. He's been having a bad stretch, but he started out the season strong.

[FrozenInfernoZX]

He's a below average 2 guard and a decent rotation player at best. He has shown little to no improvement since his rookie year and has regressed as a shooter. His ball-handling is terrible and defensively has been as bad as everyone on this team. Going 0'fer on the stat sheet in 20 plus minutes of play is inexcusable for a NBA player, never mind a starter. Trade rumors don't create terrible play on that level.

Fact is he was overhyped by most Knick fans for a) having a cool haircut b) having a cool personality c) being athletic. He showed some flashes in his rookie year but its clear he won't show much more than that. Definitely not untradeable as one of our few viable assets.

I know its not a excuse but how would you feel wen ur coach is constantly on ur ass for the smallest things but lets guys like Jr smith chuck away.... not to mentioned he hears he will be traded every single second last couple of weeks.... The guy has lost his swagger and confidence no thanks to the coach and owner

Sadly, Shump's potential won't be reached on this demoralizing team. This team is ready to ship you off to Canada when you cough up a few bad games. Meanwhile, J.R. gets to stay in a game until the end (last game) despite chucking up the worst shots known to aliens.

[Pharmcat]

shouldve traded him for dudley + pick when the chance was there

[Thugger HBC]

shouldve traded him for dudley + pick when the chance was there

To be honest, I think that deal was leaked by the Knicks to drive up a price.

[HixNixKnicksTix]

He's a player who rides high on the emotions of the game. He embodies that NY attitude. Problem with that is, he feels betrayed by this team, this coach, this ownership...he looks unwanted and disinterested. He's not the same...it's time to part ways.

he embodies that ny attitude yet he clams up when faced with adversity? makes no sense.

[Johnny Hoops]

We needed to see Iman take that next step forward and he clearly hasn't thus far. Iman doesn't even look interested in the game anymore since the rumors started floating about him, he clearly has let it effect his game. His stroke on his shot while looking better hasn't produced better percentages yet. I understand that this offense isn't conducive to his game, but I was expecting a better season than this thus far.

How do you play hard for a team that doesn't want you? A team that has now tried to trade you at least 3-4 different times this season. A team that has also shown interest in trading you in the past for guys like Nash, Dudley, Reddick... etc.

Iman has nothing left for the Knicks. He played his heart our for this team whenever he could. Now he just seems defeated. I feel bad for the dude because he loves it here and he loves this team. Yet fans are giving him a raw deal not putting things into perspective. Cant just expect a guy to play to his fullest capabilities when he isn't put in a situation to succeed.

Not only is he not in a position to succeed mentally, but how the **** is he even supposed to take the next step with the roster that is on this team? When there are a bunch of other players that need to get their shots off . Shumperts Job is to play defense on this team and stand in the corners. Not exactly the best recipe for him to take the next step offensively.

i never saw the iman "beginnings" did he have a dad growing up? because he's acting like he has no idea how to be a man, you get up and do you **** job. you don't get to piss and moan like a bitch on her period when you get paid millions of dollars, you do your **** job.

Not positive but I thought I heard that Iman's dad was a professor at a local University in Chicago but I could be wrong.

[GONYK]

Yes, Iman had a father growing up. He is from a stable home.

[Nazrmohamed]

The Knicks and their fans are a vicious cycle of finding the one guy whose role is to play defense for five, and then bash him for what is an impossible task. Jeffries was an overrated defender, Tyson is, Artest is, Shumpert is now. Ever think maybe the problem is that we should stop trying to define "defenders" and should build a team where everyone defends. Then the guys who are considered actual " defenders" could either in some cases act like defensive captains and in others be able to take defensive risks.

Even now for all the defense Shumpert supposedly doesn't play he averages close to two steals per game and 3.5 defensive rebounds. Does he over gamble and is he prone to fouling? Sure but he has one bad game and all of a sudden he's weak mentally? Please. Maybe he's just confused. This constant switching on defense is taking away from his great man to man defense, even leaving Artest dazed and confused. And I know Artest ain't the same defender but be honest, does he look like he is in full command of his role on defense? Would anyone accuse him of not caring, not being defensively aware? Everyone looks confused defensively. Its just we need a scapegoat.

Then on offense why are we surprised. He's a third year player who missed almost a year d/t injury and probably came back too soon. Gotta believe the Knicks medical staff rushed him, especially seeing as they are hiding injuries left and right. So id say his development has been halted rather than that he is overrated or have peaked. Our coach has no understanding of motion offense and ball movement. Our star has selfish tendencies and is at his best with the ball in his hands, our pg sucks and cant set up anyone. Which is why our assisted players look like trash and our scorers all look selfish. When was the last time anyone has witnessed a fast break, an alleyoop, a give and go, a cut and recieve. Its just not in the playbook and thats why Shumpert cant succeed.

So if you wanna trade Shumpert because he's a casualty of our wrecked team and we have holes you wanna fill go ahead. Ive had some ideas myself. But don't let Woodson dupe you into scapegoating this kid cause he's a good kid, loved the Knicks with everything he had and sure, he probably feels betrayed and is alittle weak minded. But he's a young emotional player and as Amare and Melo said ( go figure), the ball is sticky and the game ain't fun. What we should be asking is where the leadership is. Who is out there taking the young guys under their wing. Who's talking to Shumpert and monitoring his mental state. Why is Hardaway Jr being allowed to chuck shots and celebrate every time he sees a highlight play while we're down 20, **** annoys me. I bet this lockerroom is a total mess and we got enough threads to know Woodsons lost the locker room. Its like the year we had Harrington and Lee and we're losing while they pad their stats.

Anyway, sorry to rant but there are alot of issues that Id address before assuming Shumperts let us down. He aint no star, he was never gonna be. But hes a solid player that Id trade most of this team away before trading him.

[thisiskoz]

hhmm... are excuses in paragraph form still excuses??? yup...

[Sprewell4Three]

Time to be honest ? I want to say he's garbage right now but that's actually giving him too much credit. The guy can't finish, dribble, score. The only thing he does decent is play D , however that aspect of his game is falling off. I don't see "star" in him but maybe a good rotational player?

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[nykfan42]

Shump is my dude but he looks awful. I attribute that to the organization though mostly. He has no confidence anymore. His jumper looked smooth in the pre-season but then they decided to shop him for NBA scrubs. As a young player hearing trade rumors and playing for a coach that has more confidence in a party boy/molly popper in JR Smith, can't have a positive impact on your psyche either. Poor Shump, because our team is the only franchise that does not realize he's a quality player with a great attitude for New York...