Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread - Part Deux

[GONYK]

...go in the trade thread

[vallen]

Bored as hell... Tired of debating the same nonsense...

Lets explore some realistic Amare trades.

Here's one:


Successful Trade Scenario
Congratulations on a successful trade

Due to New York being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. New York could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.
Due to Toronto being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Toronto could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. Also, Toronto met the requirements of the Hard Cap rules of staying under the Tax Threshold plus $4M for adjusted post-trade Team Salary.
This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Trade ID
Trade ID #6429337

Every trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario.

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New York Knicks Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +8.5 ppg, +6.5 rpg, and +3.9 apg.

Incoming Players
John Salmons
34 year old , 6-6, 207 lb GF from Miami (FL)
5.8 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 2.2 apg in 24.0 minutes
Amir Johnson
26 year old , 6-9, 210 lb PF from Westchester High School (California)
10.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.2 apg in 28.6 minutes
Landry Fields
25 year old , 6-7, 215 lb F from Stanford
2.4 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 11.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Amar'e Stoudemire
31 year old , 6-10, 245 lb FC from Cypress Creek High School (Florida)
10.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.4 apg in 19.6 minutes in 2013-2014

Plus 3 million and a future 1st or Shump ?

Stat: (2014) $23,410,988 vs Salmons (2014) 1,000,000 +Amir (2014) 5,000,000 + Landry (2014) $8,525,000 actual payment (on the books/cap:6,250,00 +3,000,000 cash included= 17,525,000


Why Toronto does it? To gain a pick or talent and Stat is playing well- he could help them...

Why we do it? It reduces our cap from 23.4 M to 12.250 M

Thoughts?

hell no im not trading any picks or Shump or even Stat for that package of scrubs....are you high ?

[bleedblue3303]

JR can really help a good team that needs him.

How bout this one


OKC

Trades us Nick Collison and Perry Jones

We give them JR.

[riter]

lol. lin and asik for chandler and shumpert you take it and run.

The only way this is remotely possible is us picking up the extra 15 million in the deal. Hou is due to pay them 30 million combined next year.

I don't think Dolan cares about 15mil, especially if Melo ok's this.
question is why would Houston do this. It seems like Lin is an important part of that team.
Plus, houston can always wait till the summer.
Knicks take this and run if Houston agrees.
it improves our team and doesn't impact the 2015 cap flexibility.

[Context]

Bored as hell... Tired of debating the same nonsense...

Lets explore some realistic Amare trades.

Here's one:


Successful Trade Scenario
Congratulations on a successful trade

Due to New York being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. New York could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.
Due to Toronto being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Toronto could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. Also, Toronto met the requirements of the Hard Cap rules of staying under the Tax Threshold plus $4M for adjusted post-trade Team Salary.
This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Trade ID
Trade ID #6429337

Every trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario.

Modify This Trade, Try Another Trade or visit our Trade Forum.
New York Knicks Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +8.5 ppg, +6.5 rpg, and +3.9 apg.

Incoming Players
John Salmons
34 year old , 6-6, 207 lb GF from Miami (FL)
5.8 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 2.2 apg in 24.0 minutes
Amir Johnson
26 year old , 6-9, 210 lb PF from Westchester High School (California)
10.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.2 apg in 28.6 minutes
Landry Fields
25 year old , 6-7, 215 lb F from Stanford
2.4 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 11.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Amar'e Stoudemire
31 year old , 6-10, 245 lb FC from Cypress Creek High School (Florida)
10.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.4 apg in 19.6 minutes in 2013-2014

Plus 3 million and a future 1st or Shump ?

Stat: (2014) $23,410,988 vs Salmons (2014) 1,000,000 +Amir (2014) 5,000,000 + Landry (2014) $8,525,000 actual payment (on the books/cap:6,250,00 +3,000,000 cash included= 17,525,000


Why Toronto does it? To gain a pick or talent and Stat is playing well- he could help them...

Why we do it? It reduces our cap from 23.4 M to 12.250 M

Thoughts?

hell no im not trading any picks or Shump or even Stat for that package of scrubs....are you high ?

give me an alternative then? I'm trying to shed his salary...

[MKCATL]

lol. lin and asik for chandler and shumpert you take it and run.

The only way this is remotely possible is us picking up the extra 15 million in the deal. Hou is due to pay them 30 million combined next year.

I don't think Dolan cares about 15mil, especially if Melo ok's this.
question is why would Houston do this. It seems like Lin is an important part of that team.
Plus, houston can always wait till the summer.
Knicks take this and run if Houston agrees.
it improves our team and doesn't impact the 2015 cap flexibility.

Chandler and Shump could be big in the playoffs, and if they have intention to trade them in the offseason, better off doing it now to make a run in the post season. I know only 15 million counts against the cap, but what about Luxury tax?

[vallen]

Bored as hell... Tired of debating the same nonsense...

Lets explore some realistic Amare trades.

Here's one:


Successful Trade Scenario
Congratulations on a successful trade

Due to New York being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. New York could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.
Due to Toronto being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Toronto could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. Also, Toronto met the requirements of the Hard Cap rules of staying under the Tax Threshold plus $4M for adjusted post-trade Team Salary.
This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Trade ID
Trade ID #6429337

Every trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario.

Modify This Trade, Try Another Trade or visit our Trade Forum.
New York Knicks Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +8.5 ppg, +6.5 rpg, and +3.9 apg.

Incoming Players
John Salmons
34 year old , 6-6, 207 lb GF from Miami (FL)
5.8 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 2.2 apg in 24.0 minutes
Amir Johnson
26 year old , 6-9, 210 lb PF from Westchester High School (California)
10.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.2 apg in 28.6 minutes
Landry Fields
25 year old , 6-7, 215 lb F from Stanford
2.4 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 11.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Amar'e Stoudemire
31 year old , 6-10, 245 lb FC from Cypress Creek High School (Florida)
10.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.4 apg in 19.6 minutes in 2013-2014

Plus 3 million and a future 1st or Shump ?

Stat: (2014) $23,410,988 vs Salmons (2014) 1,000,000 +Amir (2014) 5,000,000 + Landry (2014) $8,525,000 actual payment (on the books/cap:6,250,00 +3,000,000 cash included= 17,525,000


Why Toronto does it? To gain a pick or talent and Stat is playing well- he could help them...

Why we do it? It reduces our cap from 23.4 M to 12.250 M

Thoughts?

hell no im not trading any picks or Shump or even Stat for that package of scrubs....are you high ?

give me an alternative then? I'm trying to shed his salary...

why we would still be well over the cap ? and theres no trade for Amare thats gunna make us contenders. I know 2015 is a long ways away but 18 months is our best chance to regroup. no need replacing crap with crap. let alone losing assets like picks or youth for absolutely nothing..

[Newyorknick94]

Better off not trading amare he can help tank next season and we can use our pick right? Or does someone have that pick swap?

[Context]

Tommy Dee @_TommyDee_ about 22 minutes ago

"Heard the buzz of the Lin/Asik for Chandler and Shumpert deal... I'm only doing that if I get a pick. Chandler puts Houston over the top."

That's Gold Jerry.Gold.

I hope the Houston FO hires this guy in the next few days.

i like it...

[vallen]

Tommy Dee @_TommyDee_ about 22 minutes ago

"Heard the buzz of the Lin/Asik for Chandler and Shumpert deal... I'm only doing that if I get a pick. Chandler puts Houston over the top."

That's Gold Jerry.Gold.

I hope the Houston FO hires this guy in the next few days.

i like it...

Tommy wants a pick too ?? Lin >>>> Shump and Asik >>> Chandler. we probly have to give a pick, have you seen Chandler play the last year and a half Tommy ? oh wait probly not much cuz hes only been active for about 10 games in the time period..

[Context]

why we would still be well over the cap ? and theres no trade for Amare thats gunna make us contenders. I know 2015 is a long ways away but 18 months is our best chance to regroup. no need replacing crap with crap. let alone losing assets like picks or youth for absolutely nothing..

you killed my idea so humor me and lets just imagine that the knicks want to clean house to keep Melo for 2014.
I'm sorry but I'm willing to trade a 1st or shump if It gets Amares contract off the books. Then we can easily trade Amir and Salmons (6m) for expirings before July 1st... step one.

Step 2. Trade Tysons for picks and expirations and we may be able to add JR's or Feltons in the deal as well.

We can clear out 2014 if we can figure out a way to trade Amare...

[Context]

Tommy Dee @_TommyDee_ about 22 minutes ago

"Heard the buzz of the Lin/Asik for Chandler and Shumpert deal... I'm only doing that if I get a pick. Chandler puts Houston over the top."

That's Gold Jerry.Gold.

I hope the Houston FO hires this guy in the next few days.

i like it...

Tommy wants a pick too ?? Lin >>>> Shump and Asik >>> Chandler. we probly have to give a pick, have you seen Chandler play the last year and a half Tommy ? oh wait probly not much cuz hes only been active for about 10 games in the time period..

Tysons Value hasn't changed regardless of his play and he would be perfect in Houston as a back up and very productive.

[vallen]

were at 87 Mill right now, and 97 next year. you do the math. your gunna have to unload Chandler and Bargs without taking salary back. and also the stiffs you traded for. its just unrealistic for something thats going to expire, while keeping our assets..... what big name you targeting for 2014 ??

[vallen]

were at 87 Mill right now, and 91 next year. you do the math. your gunna have to unload Chandler and Bargs without taking salary back. and also the stiffs you traded for. its just unrealistic for something thats going to expire, while keeping our assets..... what big name you targeting for 2014 ??

[vallen]

i like it...

Tommy wants a pick too ?? Lin >>>> Shump and Asik >>> Chandler. we probly have to give a pick, have you seen Chandler play the last year and a half Tommy ? oh wait probly not much cuz hes only been active for about 10 games in the time period..

Tysons Value hasn't changed regardless of his play and he would be perfect in Houston as a back up and very productive.

how do you even know what Tysons value is ? let alone whether its changed or not . hes broken down, he cant jump after the tip off, and he wears more ice around his Knees then Ewing did. I dont think hes very valued around the league at this stage of his career. hes a vet minimum guy with a terrible contract for next year.

[bkknicks19]

I think a trade with houston makes sense, I just dont understand why Houston would want Tyson. Asik can't play next to Dwight, and Tyson makes too much money this season and next to be a back up. Why would they want that? If Tyson is willing to play back up, why not play back up here? I just dont think Houston wants or needs Tyson and would therefore be looking for a third team to send him to.

[Context]

I think a trade with houston makes sense, I just dont understand why Houston would want Tyson. Asik can't play next to Dwight, and Tyson makes too much money this season and next to be a back up. Why would they want that? If Tyson is willing to play back up, why not play back up here? I just dont think Houston wants or needs Tyson and would therefore be looking for a third team to send him to.

why not? If you can afford it. Tyson would make a great back up center...

[bkknicks19]

I think a trade with houston makes sense, I just dont understand why Houston would want Tyson. Asik can't play next to Dwight, and Tyson makes too much money this season and next to be a back up. Why would they want that? If Tyson is willing to play back up, why not play back up here? I just dont think Houston wants or needs Tyson and would therefore be looking for a third team to send him to.

why not? If you can afford it. Tyson would make a great back up center...

I agree that Tyson would be great as a backup, especially at this point in his career. That said, teams dont just go out acquiring any player they can afford for sake of it. They do that during draft day, taking the best player available regardless of need but why give up assets for a player you have no use for. It's not smart, bad basketball decision making. Also, while you and I might think Tyson is a back up, and maybe even houston, it does matter what tyson thinks. The whole reason houston would look to trade asik is because he wasn't happy with his role. If Tyson isn't happy with his role over there, they will just be repeating this scenario with asik all over again, except tyson is the more expensive payer. It really doesnt make any sense for houston.

[Context]

I think a trade with houston makes sense, I just dont understand why Houston would want Tyson. Asik can't play next to Dwight, and Tyson makes too much money this season and next to be a back up. Why would they want that? If Tyson is willing to play back up, why not play back up here? I just dont think Houston wants or needs Tyson and would therefore be looking for a third team to send him to.

why not? If you can afford it. Tyson would make a great back up center...

I agree that Tyson would be great as a backup, especially at this point in his career. That said, teams dont just go out acquiring any player they can afford for sake of it. They do that during draft day, taking the best player available regardless of need but why give up assets for a player you have no use for. It's not smart, bad basketball decision making. Also, while you and I might think Tyson is a back up, and maybe even houston, it does matter what tyson thinks. The whole reason houston would look to trade asik is because he wasn't happy with his role. If Tyson isn't happy with his role over there, they will just be repeating this scenario with asik all over again, except tyson is the more expensive payer. It really doesn't make any sense for houston.

I personally think Tyson in houston turns them into a contender. Not to mention, Tyson can make Dwight better. With that said, I agree if Tyson doesn't want to be his backup then it wont work. Do I believe Tyson would have an issue? Absolutely not... I believe NY is too much for Tyson and he would welcome change- especially to a contender where is work load would be reduced and his impact would still be great.

[vallen]

cmon Kneega the suspense is killing me. tell us how your gunna 2K14 us down to 18 mill.