OT: THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 5 (NO SPOILERS)

[prophet_of_rage]

Can we all agree Gareth was a complete twat who got what he deserved.?

Why would you go after the group that nearly killed every one? I mean, there was no end game. They looked so stupid, falling for the fake out.

Any time you are working with someone who DIDN'T check Bob for bites thoroughly...I mean, right there...it goes to show that the Terminus people did NOT think this through....and finally met their betters in a dog eat dog society.

they were never a big threat, in the grand scheme of comic book villains they were a joke. they're only here to show that the brutality is going to be ramped up from now on

Exactly. They were just two issue filler on a long running comic book. And they're just filler for this season. Unfortunately, the comic is filled with a lot of shock value nonsense to extend its run until the group settles again. That's the nature of the comic. It's a bunch of random encounters like Dungeons and Dragons and then you get a prolonged story arc.

In truth we're in the stretch where the comic is very silly and this is where I lost interest until they introduced Negan in issue 100. After the Negan arc, with its silly silly ending, the book has really stalled out, resorting to a time jump to create interest.

[ingvald]

"He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has Eternal Life"

That's a kick-ass Easter Egg, missed it before.

[ingvald]

That scene with Rick just showed the kind of savagery that some members of the group are willing to partake in order to protect their family and loved ones. Was it over the top? Yes. But you're talking about a group that has gone through hell, and part of Michonne's, Sasha's, Rick's and Abraham's reactions had to do with having enough of dealing with all these people that keep endangering their lives and causing pain in their hearts.

Guys like Tyreese are not equipped to deal with the world they live in. He let a guy live after he threatened to kill baby Judith. In fact, I hope Cutty is one of the next to go because his character is just so damn soft. This isn't the beginning of the apocalypse. He should be a bit hardened by now like the rest of the group. Do what it takes to survive otherwise you're just going to be putting people in danger around you.

Tyreese is in the sub 1% of the pre-zombie apoc population that is still alive while such hardliners like Gareth, Shane and the Gov are dead!

I don't think he would be alive if he weren't surrounded by the likes of Rick. Hypothetically, I think he would have died not too shortly after the Woodbury disaster had he not joined the group. Or at least his sister would have been dead partly to his inability to do what's necessary.

I think we'll see Tyrese flip the switch again. When he and Rick were digging the graves, Rick asked Tyrese about the journey to Terminus. Tyrese said "it killed me" and Rick said "no it didn't". I'm a little frustrated that Tyrese is such a puss and want him to go full Bad Ass. But reading between the lines, the Carol/Lizzie/Mika situation shook him to his core and I'm interested to see what it will take to bring him back.

[SwaggyB]

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did the season premier trailer lie to us or was the scene edited to "TAINTED MEAT?"

Spoiler:

at around :50 seconds of the trainer when Gareth was talking to bob about going to washington, my guess is bob was begging for his life and tryed to use the news of a possible cure

and boy am i glad i went into this season thinking they would team up

Seems it was a throw away scene, used specifically to throw people off. A lot of people were concerned that the trailer showed too much of what might happen, but I believe it ultimately led to a lot of people being surprised when what they thought was going to happen, didn't.

[jwise44]

Tyreese is in the sub 1% of the pre-zombie apoc population that is still alive while such hardliners like Gareth, Shane and the Gov are dead!

I don't think he would be alive if he weren't surrounded by the likes of Rick. Hypothetically, I think he would have died not too shortly after the Woodbury disaster had he not joined the group. Or at least his sister would have been dead partly to his inability to do what's necessary.

I think we'll see Tyrese flip the switch again. When he and Rick were digging the graves, Rick asked Tyrese about the journey to Terminus. Tyrese said "it killed me" and Rick said "no it didn't". I'm a little frustrated that Tyrese is such a puss and want him to go full Bad Ass. But reading between the lines, the Carol/Lizzie/Mika situation shook him to his core and I'm interested to see what it will take to bring him back.

Cutty wise better start kicking some ass. I think he will, I thought he did when the guy made him go out to the zombies and he crashed through and we assumed he killed him...still waiting...

[Proven_Winner]

That scene with Rick just showed the kind of savagery that some members of the group are willing to partake in order to protect their family and loved ones. Was it over the top? Yes. But you're talking about a group that has gone through hell, and part of Michonne's, Sasha's, Rick's and Abraham's reactions had to do with having enough of dealing with all these people that keep endangering their lives and causing pain in their hearts. The key thing is that they're able to turn that "violent" switch on and off for the time being. It's going to be interesting to see just how far Rick is going to go with his actions. It's going to be interesting seeing him rationalize certain situations. The challenge for him is trying to keep a certain balance of maintaining his sanity, and being able to turn into that savage in order to protect his family.

Guys like Tyreese are not equipped to deal with the world they live in. He let a guy live after he threatened to kill baby Judith. In fact, I hope Cutty is one of the next to go because his character is just so damn soft. This isn't the beginning of the apocalypse. He should be a bit hardened by now like the rest of the group. Do what it takes to survive otherwise you're just going to be putting people in danger around you.

Well not too long ago we saw him pull a Macgruber throat rip with his teeth.

I'm not purely referring to his violent streaks. But also his reasons for using that kind of savagery to justify that kind of brutality. I want to see how far he'll take his actions in the future in order to protect his family. Once upon a time the Governor and Garrett were good people. It would be interesting to see if Rick ended up on a similar path of completely losing his moral compass or at the very least flirting with it.

I see what you mean. I think they kind of hinted it could happen when they went to go get the guns in the woods and everyone wanted to leave, but Rick wanted to stay and go kill the rest of the terminians. Rick to me is kind of slowly here and there turning into Shane from season 2.

[IMAN5]

Trailer did a great job of fooling people. I thought that at some point Gareth and Rick were going to have to work together or travel together but I couldn't figure out how.

RED HANDLE BAR MACHETE

[kane]

Trailer did a great job of fooling people. I thought that at some point Gareth and Rick were going to have to work together or travel together but I couldn't figure out how.

RED HANDLE BAR MACHETE

yeah that exactly what i thought, i was was mad after i first watched that trailer thinking it spoiled the whole season but in truth it was pretty much just from the first 5 episodes maybe? so glad there was no team up with gareth

[frogfood]

That was a father overhearing a cannibal who considered eating Judith.

My friend, that doesn't answer my question! I know he went wild but I'm asking what does it prove.

It was cathartic rage release. There was no point to prove. The killing was to feel good. That's all.

Wow, reading comprehension for the lose!

[HeartBreaking]

funny how rick is using shanes philosophy now.

[IMAN5]

funny how rick is using shanes philosophy now.

that's the point. they talk about this a lot in the talking dead how rick is way worse than shane is right now. but that's part of the world changing a good man. I believe shane as a cop was a good man, and he did look out for rick, even tried saving him when the swat were killing everyone in the hospital. shane became the person you have to become to survive an apocalypse. rick took longer to realize that.

[frogfood]

Rick hasn't shown he'd cut down his own guy like Shane would (yet).

[IMAN5]

Rick hasn't shown he'd cut down his own guy like Shane would (yet).

yeah not to that degree but he did banish Carol at one point. If she wasn't such a badass, that would've been basically sending her to her death.

[prophet_of_rage]

My friend, that doesn't answer my question! I know he went wild but I'm asking what does it prove.

It was cathartic rage release. There was no point to prove. The killing was to feel good. That's all.

Wow, reading comprehension for the lose!

i'm not sure what you're saying here. You asked what does it prove that Rick went wild. My reply to you is that it doesn't prove anything. It was simply a cathartic release. In fact, my wording of the answer repeats the question to demonstrate an understanding of it the way all proper answers to questions are formulated. Rick Grimes remains a moral compass, but he is not a static character. In fact, he's always been the most dangerous person in the group. Is there something more you're looking for? Are you answering your own question and attacking rather senselessly anyone who hasn't parroted what you believe to be the answer?

[prophet_of_rage]

Rick hasn't shown he'd cut down his own guy like Shane would (yet).

yeah not to that degree but he did banish Carol at one point. If she wasn't such a badass, that would've been basically sending her to her death.

Rick represents the old world. He is law and order. Rick is not worse than Shane because Shane's actions were selfish. Rick is for the greater good. He was not going to kill of the Termites until they proved irredeemable and then he was the righteous hand of God. It was the others that stopped him from making them safe. When all was at peace behind the prison walls, Rick could put that behind him and just be a retired gunslinger. He is still a policeman through to his core. His violence isn't senseless. it may be shockingly brutal at times but that's because I believe the Walking Dead, as entertaining as the show is at times, is based on prurient drivel at its source. So expect more of this from Rick because the comic needs those shock moments to keep it interesting.

[frogfood]

It was cathartic rage release. There was no point to prove. The killing was to feel good. That's all.

Wow, reading comprehension for the lose!

i'm not sure what you're saying here. You asked what does it prove that Rick went wild. My reply to you is that it doesn't prove anything. It was simply a cathartic release. In fact, my wording of the answer repeats the question to demonstrate an understanding of it the way all proper answers to questions are formulated. Rick Grimes remains a moral compass, but he is not a static character. In fact, he's always been the most dangerous person in the group. Is there something more you're looking for? Are you answering your own question and attacking rather senselessly anyone who hasn't parroted what you believe to be the answer?

Just go back and reread who I was talking with. I'm not doing this again. The "prove" question was in response to Glenn and Mags' reaction for the 10th time. FML

[prophet_of_rage]

Was anyone a little "Oh come on..." when Glenn, Maggie were stand off-ish after Rick basically went RAID on the Termites?

Yeah, Rick was right though. All he had to do was bring up Exhibit A (the Governor) for why there should be "no half measures." Perhaps a cameo speech on the subject by Mike Ehrmantrout would have changed Glenn's perspective? lol

What did Rick prove by butchering them so violently compared to just offing them? Both scenarios would be a finality and not a half measure. I think that's why they got those weird looks.

All right, I'm looking at your original question now which is slightly different than the quote I answered. In terms of the question what did Rick prove by butchering the Termites so violently compared to just offing them, I do not think he proved anything. He meted out a justice he pledge earlier in the season when he declared that they do not get to live. Rick is the law and order. The man who can rebuild society in this localized part of the world. I think he got the shocked looks from all who watched because of the calmness of his violence. These people for the most part have just seen farmer Rick at the prison. They did not see him rip out a man's throat with his teeth or strangle a man to death. Few of them saw Rick stab Termites with his makeshift knife. As to why Rick so violently hacked at Gareth instead of simply slicing his throat, well, that was, I believe, a release of cathartic rage. It wasn't a conscious choice to do it that way but an ejaculation of all the savagery in his soul. Notice, Rick was back to normal after that moment when he was helping Tyrese bury the bodies.

[prophet_of_rage]

Wow, reading comprehension for the lose!

i'm not sure what you're saying here. You asked what does it prove that Rick went wild. My reply to you is that it doesn't prove anything. It was simply a cathartic release. In fact, my wording of the answer repeats the question to demonstrate an understanding of it the way all proper answers to questions are formulated. Rick Grimes remains a moral compass, but he is not a static character. In fact, he's always been the most dangerous person in the group. Is there something more you're looking for? Are you answering your own question and attacking rather senselessly anyone who hasn't parroted what you believe to be the answer?

Just go back and reread who I was talking with. I'm not doing this again. The "prove" question was in response to Glenn and Mags' reaction for the 10th time. FML

I think the problem is in the use of the word prove. Perhaps you should have used the word demonstrate. Because prove is a word that includes an intention to convince. Or maybe you're meaning confirm to Glen and Mags, but you were discussing from Rick's POV so again it comes to down to the use of the word prove.

[IMAN5]

Who took part in the brutal killing of the the termites?

Rick, Abraham, Michonne, Sasha. Did Maggie? I know Glenn didn't because he's all soft and shi.

[frogfood]

i'm not sure what you're saying here. You asked what does it prove that Rick went wild. My reply to you is that it doesn't prove anything. It was simply a cathartic release. In fact, my wording of the answer repeats the question to demonstrate an understanding of it the way all proper answers to questions are formulated. Rick Grimes remains a moral compass, but he is not a static character. In fact, he's always been the most dangerous person in the group. Is there something more you're looking for? Are you answering your own question and attacking rather senselessly anyone who hasn't parroted what you believe to be the answer?

Just go back and reread who I was talking with. I'm not doing this again. The "prove" question was in response to Glenn and Mags' reaction for the 10th time. FML

I think the problem is in the use of the word prove. Perhaps you should have used the word demonstrate. Because prove is a word that includes an intention to convince. Or maybe you're meaning confirm to Glen and Mags, but you were discussing from Rick's POV so again it comes to down to the use of the word prove.

Demonstrate vs prove. Right. Why are we continuing this? Rick proved to Glenn and Mags he isn't the same person he was before hence the shock/bewilderment in their face. Besides, this prove thing was already ironed out pages ago. Are you just reading up to X page and replying? Like I said, read the thread cause I'm just repeating myself.